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#1  Edited By Alest

Soooo... In other words the question is:

Can Batman take out The Avengers with enough time to defeat The Avengers?

For my opinion the answer for this question is too obvious. Yes he can. Of course possible they all die due the age or some fatal case (as pass the road in wrong place) while he preparing with his infinity time.

In limited time (let's say human life) and in specific case (we don't take in mind age of all participants and use some "usual" state of the characters ) I don't believe that he can do it. Some participants are to strong for him.

And if to be clear current Avengers (Infinity) is to stretched team (Including Captain Universe, Ex Nihilo, Abyss and other more usual members) and live no chances to Batman. So possible will be good to have understanding what is The Avengers in current context is.

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Beast now is Illuminati as a replacement for Prof. X so he is in team, but not for long in this battle. So as for my opinion Beast, Mr. Fantastic and Namor pass out of battle not long from the begining due their useless here. First two of them because with out preparation they can just "stand" and wait for death and Namor has as opponent to much amped version of himself. Not so long after current Iron Man, current Dr. Strange and current Black Panther. And last one goes 1 on 5 Black Bolt, what also don't take much time.

But if to be a smarta**. Really current version of members of Phoenix Five has no powers of Phoenix force, and Illuminati has in current usage equipment to destroy parallel universe I think sooo....

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An overview. Team Black Panther.

Mostly reasonable matchup:

  • Batman vs. Deadpool
  • Cap vs. Bane
  • Deathstroke vs. Black panther

Cap will defeat Bane if he has shield relatively easy and quick (due both of them has skills, but skills + shield > just skills) (9/10 Cap). Without shield it's possible that it will be win for Bane (6/10), but not so quick. So win for Cap.

Batman need a relatively big amount of time to get plan how to incapacite/ko Deadpool and not so stupid to go in clear of view. So they stalemate for sometime, as for my opinion this time will be enough for Cap to defeat Bane. And then Cap and Deadpool will overcome Batman.

Black Panther and Deathstroke as for my opinion is most equal pair. So they will fight for a long time. Deathstroke has a huge amount of skill and technology which help to use this skill. But same thing for Black Panther. (5/10 for both for long time). And then again we have 3 on 1. I have clear answer for this.

All another possible matchup as for my opinion is a more unpleasant for Team Batman:

  • Batman vs. Cap (stalemate. but with long enough battle. Cap has more endurance. Don't take drugs kids)
  • Batman vs. Black Panther (7-8/10 win for BP. technology advantage and superior physical condition)
  • Bane vs. Deadpool (10/10 Deadpool. guys. deadpool has guns, grenade, katanas. don't bring the knife on the firefight. Deadpool shot him in a first seconds of battle or cut to pieces with katanas)
  • Bane vs. Black Panther (8/10 to Panther. More superiority in technology and less in physical condition)
  • Deathstroke vs. Captain America (stalemate-6/10 to Deathstroke. Long battle. Cap show his ability against bullets, so most possible it will be close battle. Both has good skills, but Deathstrokes armor give him big advantage over shield)
  • Deathstroke vs. Deadpool (7/10 to Deathstroke. Deadpool has chance to bit DS, but he need to be concentrated and this... not the DP case. As for my opinion it will be not so easy battle for Deathstroke, but he can KO Deadpool after some time)

So in all other cases one of the participant from Black Panther side will be free in not so long time and then teanwork. If it was an 1on1 battle stuation for Batman and Co. will be better, but in this case not so.

Team Black Panther: 8/10

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I'm really believe that Iron Man can beat Superman, but... only in very special conditions (time of preparation, knowledge, materials.....). Random encounter in any existed suit it's not possible.

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As for current state for my opinion Superman kills Tony in any possible costume. Most of high-ranked Iron Man (some-buster) suit is created for single purpose to fight with special individual and most possible will not work in fight with Superman. On another way if Stark has kryptonite or a some amount (maybe too big amount) of preparation with knowledge of oponent abilites it's possible that he can defeat "big-S-on-chest". But with already existed it goes 9/10 to Superman and 1/10 to Iron Man (it happens when S steps on banana peel and smash his head with rock, but I don't sure about posibility of such result so it's only 1 of 10).

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Seems of all it's again depended on what meaning of preparation used here.

In case if Constantine in preparation can only gather information and accessories (but not cast some spell and magic), he definetly die at first nanoseconds of battle. So 10/10 to Flash.

In another case if Constantine can get fully prepared (including spells) and know basic things about Flash abilities, he definetly can win with ease. So 10/10 to John Constantine.

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Uhm..... After reading previous posts... Is it correct to do not count Catwoman fight with thugs due their lack of feats with fighting skills before fight? Seems is it true as for Hawkeye, so is it true for them too. So... Catwoman has no fighting feats at all?</sarcasm>

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I'm definetly stomp. But I'm bias

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In current context 9/10 goes to team due to 4 years of preparation of Batman (even without Nightwing it maximum decrease to 8/10). Wolverine also has some preparation skill, but not such incredible. And for Batman as I think preparation will contain from 1 year of preparation (at maximum) and 3 years of boredom. At one week of preparation it will come more equal for my opinion 5.5/10 (half battle they run away with scared face) in Batman favor.

Without preparation at random encounter Wolverine take them both at 7-8/10 battles.

Summarize Batman (with/without Nightwing) wins due his main showned skill preparation, and Wolverine main - martial arts, unbreakable bones, ..., and then preparation.

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And now... Just for fun, don't take this toooo serious.

Something what we can have from plot of Hancock (and not from train and whale scene, but from one of the last scene with Moon).

It's stated that after one month Hancock has returned from the moon. So in this time he must pass to the moon and back. Distance to the Moon is some about 360 000 km. So on MACH 10 (as I think somewhere stated that this speed is maximum speed of Superman on Earth) it's a little bit more then day to get there.

Also he painted an a huge piece of that rock called Moon (Moon surface area 37 930 000 square km). So for do such job he must spend a lot of time, and do it with such amount of proportion and taste. (Taste skill +)

And again for do this he must have a huge amount of paint (1/4 or little less/more of Moon). So... Or he travel back to earth or he take it in first time in pocket. So he has enough strength to take such amount in one time (on a huge speed) or a very-very good speed to make several travels (with a little bit less paint in one travel).

One more thing all the painting he must perform at a very short time (let's say 1 day or 1 night). Because in another case it will be not so surprise and someone on earth will notice that something... changed on Moon. So we can say that at least last two days he spend painting and coming back to Earth.

And last feats for Hancock. He steal/borrow/buy all that paint unobserved. 9 480 000 000 000 m^2 area wich must be painted with 1 L per 20 m^2 is equal to 474 000 000 000 liters. So..... He definetly has preparation skills to organize this.

As a result Hancock feats from scene:

  1. Speed + (Maybe less then Superman in some circumstance, but still is very-very high. Also it's including with a huge amount of paint)
  2. Strength + (I don't sure how it will be compared)
  3. Preparation skill + (He is genius over some incredible level, such amount of paint)
  4. Taste skill + (He precisely reproduced picture on the large area, he doesn't wear underpants over costume)

And once again... Don't take this toooo serious