Under Consideration

Trades or series which I have heard about, read a little about, and think I might enjoy. These don't really fit under wishlist or inevitable, and cat-killers is more about characters and teams, so voila, new list.

If you see a series on here which you think should be higher or lower on the list (because these are in order I'm likely to check them out), let me know why ^_^

EDIT: June 23rd: This list is in sore need of updating. I've removed all the things from it which I've since actually tried out.

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Edited by lykopis

Push up Wonder Woman above Supergirl!

Posted by akbogert

@lykopis: Ha. Give me a reason :P

(as one who has read a single issue each of Wonder Woman and Supergirl and definitely preferred the latter)

Edited by lykopis

Gah.

In that case, I have no leg to stand on since I only read Supergirl's first issue whereas I have read all of Wonder Woman's (outside of the last few due to me being so behind).

So, you like Supergirl?

Posted by akbogert

@lykopis: To be fair, I have not read the first issue of Supergirl. I read the first (or maybe the zero?) issue of her pre-Flashpoint series, and I read the most recent issue of her New 52 series. So perhaps I would have preferred the first WW issue to the first Supergirl issue?

I guess I just appreciate "teenagers with attitude" a bit more than some other characters (blame it on my Power Rangers upbringing :P). I've gotten the sense that she annoys some people quite a bit, and it tends to be that characters who annoy people, I find endearing (see also: Squirrel Girl, Vanille in Final Fantasy XIII, etc.).

I think one of the things I didn't love about Wonder Woman was the art style. I don't think it's bad, it just didn't seem like my typical cup of tea. I hate the fact that such an iconic character is one about whom I know virtually nothing (though I guess Green Lantern and Flash and Aquaman and to a large extent even Superman belong on that list), but I'm thinking maybe this series isn't my best shot?

You say you've read all of this run. I know a lot of people really don't like it, and wish there were a book more in the style of the pre-Flashpoint WW. Thoughts on that? Perhaps if I disliked this run I would like a different one?

Edited by lykopis

Oooh -- that's a toughie. I wasn't a Wonder Woman reader beforehand but I have spoken to quite a few people and the general sense I got was the new readers liked it - the old readers didn't with a few stragglers in between. The stragglers in favour of it enjoy the more aggressive Diana and new approach to her origins (somewhat) whereas the ones who don't are usually for the same reasons, lol.

For me, I don't really like her new origin (being Zeus' daughter) -- I don't like how cavalierly the treatment of males born to Amazons were/are was handled, story-wise and while I certainly appreciate the focus on Greek mythology -- it's too much focused, leaving out a lot of the DC Universe. Honestly, it reads like an Ultimates book. I enjoy it but I suspect I would/will enjoy pre52 Wonder Woman more when I finally get to reading it.

Based on your likes/dislikes, I would give Wonder Woman a pass - you have enough on your plate, curiosity wise.

Posted by akbogert

@lykopis: Hrm.

Well for now, I'll be reading Justice League because of Trinity War, so I'm getting a small sampling of Diana there, although I've heard that the author of her solo kind of just ignores everything other writers do with her so that version may be different (for example, I understand her relationship with Clark pretty much doesn't exist in her book)?

I also got a glimpse of her through Injustice; actually, a great look at her, because I got to see who she wasn't in direct contrast to who she was.

Edited by lykopis

Uh-oh.

Many, many Wonder Woman fans are unhappy with what's happening in Justice League in regards to her relationship with Clark (and yes, her solo series has no mention of it what-so-ever).

Word of advice -- Don't tell Mercy you enjoy the pairing. (see -- I didn't @ her -- that's how scary it would be). o-o

FYI -- I don't like the pairing either but for both the characters' sake, not just for one.

Posted by akbogert

@lykopis: Ha. I don't enjoy the pairing in the least; I'm livid at the idea of them dissolving the Lois marriage (as you can tell, I place a high premium on marriages, so something like this is second only to One More Day on my hate list).

Posted by lykopis

Oh yes. Something about marriage and high profile characters don't mix. There is still Sue and Richard from FF but they were introduced married which might be a big reason why they still are. Luke Cage and Jessica Jones are still married but they aren't in anyway front and centre of any book.

Posted by akbogert

@lykopis: It infuriates me to no end.

I've thought about it and I actually think I'd buy Avengers Arena if it meant retconning OMD. Not that the two would ever in any way be related but just, I hate OMD even more than AA.

Edited by lykopis

There is still more to be had on the Avenger's Arena side of things -- you just might end up hating AA more in time...

Edited by akbogert

@lykopis: It's the principle of the thing, I guess. Characters come and go, they die in good ways and bad ways. But one of, if not the most iconic relationships in comic history being ruined and obliterated just to "free up" the hero? They took something that was unique, and impossible to recreate, and they tossed it in the trash. Getting back a marriage and longstanding relationship that strong would be worth losing even my favorite characters, as the trade-off would be having the ability to have faith in Marvel again (something I currently lack).

(and the fact that neither the Pete/MJ nor Clark/Lois relationship is currently canonically extant drives me up the wall)

Posted by lykopis

All very, very true. Now, just add Emma and Scott to that list and you and I will be in complete agreement. ;P

Edited by akbogert

@lykopis: See, I'm too much of a novice here, but I always think of Scott as being with Jean. Probably because of the movies being my main source of more traditional X-Men exposure? In my understanding they were married...moreover, that he cheated on his wife with Emma. If that is the case then I don't think I'll ever completely agree with you :P

Posted by lykopis

Nuuuu.......

lol --- It's so convoluted and crazy. Nah, the movies did cover it properly (Jean and Scott) and yes, they have always been traditionally together but after decades of constant drama in that department (whether there are clones, or telepathic cheating, and yes, death), Emma has proven herself to be an extremely supportive and more importantly, entirely accepting of Scott -- for his good traits and bad. With Jean, he always felt he needed to be the Boy Scout (arguably, Jean could say the same in reverse with needing to be the sweet, selfless but responsible one) but with Emma, he can be human - be imperfect - be honest in a way he couldn't be with Jean.

That's my take on it but this is coming from a fan who read through all their history and organically came to this conclusion under the steady hands of several writers who supported the pairing. I can see how off-putting Emma can come across as considering the early stages of her relationship with Scott.

It's important to note here that I adore Jean Grey. Not the young Jean Grey, the old and if you had to twist my arm to choose which character I liked more, I would side on Emma's side more because she's been front and centre all these years as compared to Jean.

Oh -- and I don't like Wolverine pining after Jean Grey either. That whole thing of them potentially being a couple was/is nauseating to me.

Posted by akbogert

@lykopis: Fine, so you take Jean from Scott and you don't want Logan anywhere near her either...

...with whom do you see Jean, then?

Posted by lykopis

On her own.

I don't want Jean with anyone. I want Jean to be Jean -- on her own, not some prize to be won or pined over. She is an extremely powerful mutant and proven herself to be an extra-ordinary leader and headmaster of the school. Let the character be developed free of Scott -- maybe even focus on relationships with her alternate reality children through Scott -- like Nathan and Rachel and biologically, even Cable since the woman who gave birth to him was her genetic clone.

I would love to follow that exploration with her character as she's always come across of very maternal and nurturing to the young mutants under her care. (Old Jean Grey -- lol)

Posted by akbogert

@lykopis: You know, I knew you were going to say that. :P

It just seems unfair to take her out of two relationships that, for most people, work. I'm not saying her being independent isn't interesting or that she needs a man -- but then it does seem a bit unfair to insist that Scott rely on one woman or the other to keep him grounded and/or "real" in the same breath.

Posted by lykopis

Very good point. Scott is single at the moment and has already left a couple of times to "find" himself while with Jean so he's had the experience of being on his own. Jean hasn't. She went from young teenager - to school girl crush -- to first love - to marriage - to breakdown of marriage to uhm -- death. O_O

I think she needs some alone time.

Edited by akbogert

@lykopis: Well I'd imagine whatever way Marvel found of bringing her back in would require some "alone time" of necessity...it's not like she'll resurrect and Scott will immediately propose, haha.

Edited by lykopis

I wish I could laugh with you. I really do. O_O

Thing is, should Jean be resurrected, there is no need for proposal since they were never divorced. It was arguably going in that direction when she died but nope -- Scott is a widower in every legal sense of the word.

Posted by akbogert

@lykopis: Well it really depends on how it's done, doesn't it? Likely the Jean we got would not, strictly speaking, be the Jean he was married to. Unless they legitimately just resurrected her, in which case that's true that she'd still be his wife. Yeesh. That...that would be an outrageous headache. But a very interesting story. That might actually be worth reading.

Posted by lykopis

You have just successfully given Bendis a new idea to run rampant with.

o-o

Edited by akbogert

@lykopis: Oh, given the time-bending nature of the Atom event coming up, I think it's more likely that a Jean return will be some alternate timeline version instead of an actual resurrection.

I don't know how they'd do a real resurrection in a way that would make sense, wouldn't have her zombified or evil or something, etc. But I think in terms of Scott's development it's a heck of a lot more interesting than having his feelings for Jean be explored via his fawning over her teenaged former self, and of course even though he's spent all these years grieving and trying to move on and maybe work it out with Emma or find himself, she would have be his wife as of yesterday (as far as she's concerned). In any case, Bendis or not, that would be a narratively interesting story, I think.

Edited by lykopis

Jean is not going to be resurrected anytime soon. Before this latest round with the Phoenix Force, she was supposedly in the White Room -- I guess that's no longer case.

Scott wouldn't pine over a teenage Jean. I couldn't imagine that working -- just like how Wolverine isn't/shouldn't be. Outside of the initial shock -- she's just a kid. In fact, she's the new Hope which is just all levels of bizarre considering that's how the Mutant Messiah was treated -- the new Jean Grey substitute.

It's the red hair and green eyes. The only heterosexual male not mesmerized is Namor -- blonde-loving mutant that he is. Oh -- and also has a penchant for chasing attached females.

Edited by akbogert

@lykopis: Haha. I find this rather hilarious considering your affinity for Emma. I'd be lying if I said I found Jean particularly alluring (though Namor really seems a bore to me, so I hate to concur with him). There was a very awkward moment between Scott an Young Jean earlier. You're right that it wouldn't work, but still, considering his feelings, there's got to be some sense of grasping at straws where in his head he could try to rationalize it.

Posted by lykopis

Which would explain Emma's uneasiness. This is the woman Scott fell deeply in love with -- but he has his own self to compete with, so-to-speak. Unless they have Emma looking at younger Scott....?

Posted by akbogert

@lykopis: See on the one hand that would be nice because it would bring some parity. On the other hand I think most people would see Scott pursuing anything tangible with Young Jean as weird, if not gross, and certainly not as a good thing -- and I'd like to think Emma's above the same kind of behavior.

Posted by lykopis

The Emma I know would be above that kind of behaviour and the Scott I know would be above that kind of behaviour but the Bendis I know, isn't. ;p

Posted by akbogert
Edited by lykopis

**bows**