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@agent41: What do you think about anti-crisis wonder woman?

In the comics it was Wonder woman's ability to control truth and being the Avatar of truth and diana created anti-crisis energy from truth. Basically, connective energy is also truth which diana represent which means that Anti-crisis energy wasn't an external amp.

What do you think about this? @Cosmoman i'll like to know your thoughts on this.

I didn't know about this feat. Very interesting.

Really, that's surprising. The darkest knight even called her the avatar of truth.

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And Diana's lasso powers come from diana herself.

Diana was drawing connective energy from everyone because she used the power of truth to connect all history.

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Lex says this about Anti-crisis Energy...

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Diana connecting everyone to the truth created a stream of anti-crisis energy that she drew to herself. She also unknot timelines that had been wiped away by DC comics to do this. This is a great lore on diana's true power. What do you think?

I forgot about that event. DC has been a mess for a long time, and the way they handle WW lore is usually bad. But yes, this is a big feat for Diana indeed.

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@mage101 said:

@agent41: What do you think about anti-crisis wonder woman?

In the comics it was Wonder woman's ability to control truth and being the Avatar of truth and diana created anti-crisis energy from truth. Basically, connective energy is also truth which diana represent which means that Anti-crisis energy wasn't an external amp.

What do you think about this? @Cosmoman i'll like to know your thoughts on this.

I didn't know about this feat. Very interesting.

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@agent41: agreed, but I find it hard to allow these scrubs to insult my intelligence with their BS. Either way, once again, you're better than me in that regard since you keep things clean, but damn, they don't deserve politeness. They know what they are and what they're doing, but I guess they don't need to told that, just proven wrong.

You have done a great job debating. But i understand how you can feel disappointed in how things are.

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@agent41: well, you're better than me in that regard. I've just about given up, despite my own efforts.

Some opinionated assholes are here to express their petty ego out of spite, believing they will get under someone's skin or that their pride is so fragile that they would rather lie and misinform so they don't have to admit they were wrong. Whether they succeed or not is irrelevant, they don't need us to be offended or triggered, they would laugh at their own bad jokes of they thought we reacted negatively to it.

That's the issue with these losers being online all day, they forgot what its like to have a regular conversation or to see peoples reactions in real time so they have to imagine it by projecting their own feelings onto the person. They only care about what the majority of people think, they don't have the balls to speak their mind unless it's for attention.

On a site dedicated to debating comics, its sad af to see grown ass people childishly react to everything with trolling because the only way they can have fun is by literally playing make believe that they are bothering someone else with what they say or using misinformation to challenge facts so they don't have to concede a point. What bothers me is the fact that people like that are given any attention, you're better than me for being able to put up with them like this.

I understand. It can be frustrating. But if that's how they want it to be. Let them be. I won't attack them or insult hem. But i at least expect the same treatment.

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@agent41: you already know what you're dealing with... Why bother with these bad faith "debaters"? Its one thing to debate ones side for the sake of participating in the argument at hand, but these guys just don't even bother... They just want people to believe their words have value, they don't care about the facts... Its about appealing their biases to the uninformed or indecisive onlookers or garnering sympathy from their fellow degenerates.

At this point, we're not even responding to them for the sake of informing them or even defending the facts, we're really just trying to be a voice of reason because if we just let it slide and allow the trolls, lowballers, and biased bad faith types downplay characters for no good reason, people will actually take them seriously and the nonsense will spread. Its not something we have to do, if people want to believe them, let them. I'm tired of giving those bozos any more attention.

That is why i said is a runing in circles situation. If that is how they want it to be, so be it. If somebody wants to have the last word, by using low ends and ignoring everything else. I will simply point out the flaws in that approach, as many times as needed. I am not wasting much effort, only a minute that it takes me to repeat myself, because i know that my argument makes sense. So it is worth repeating.

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@agent41: Should i post the scans or do you want to.

If you want to, please go ahead.

KK.

This is from Wonder woman #6

The first four scans is diana [ weakened] fighting grail and eventually beating her but the strain knocked her out. The fight was so intense that people could hear their blows in other states.

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Narration says that Silver swan can't even aspire to beat diana or even maim her. Diana easily one shot her in the story.

Diana throws a 80,000 ton building at giganta one shotting her with it. She also one shots silver swan like i said before.

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All the villains [ Circe, angle man, dr psycho] collapsed from exhaustion after battling diana, while giganta who was amped with circe's magic was exhausted.

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Giganta amped with circe's magic used an 80,000 ton marbel to bury diana. The force must have been far more than the weight.

Thanks for posting. Great display of power. Also the statement saying Wonder Woman and Grail can destroy mountains with their knuckles, that was during a fight where Diana was already weakened.

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I don't know if forcing yourself into a black hole is bigger than moving a planet

Aren't black hole feats counted differently here?

But anyway, Stark also has one of those

Oh, and she didn't move the sun in Black and Gold. It was Apollo

The force of a black hole can make quick work of a planet.

She was indeed moving the sun before apollo came in, and said she has done it before. High end as it may be. If you are going to use high ends for stark, then so can WW.

You can come back to here as many times as you want. But it doesn't look like anything will change in this debate. Because there doesn't seem to be an equal metreic being used o rank the characters involved in this battle. Just look around, this thread uses all feats from Post Crisis and onwards. And yet you even tried to suggest Diana can not outrun a bullet, based on one feat. Ignoring she has moved faster than bullets many, many times.

So far, this thread has been mostly you posting low ends for Diana. Saying she only wins battles like Supergirl for being WW, and so on and so forth. It is hard to debate if you want to create your own rules. Characters on Diana's stats and below have hurt and damage sentinel. So her stats are more than capable of the same. Her gear only gives her even more damage output on top of that. Her speed and her skills also increase the odds in her favor. She does not need to be Superman, nor does she need to be star level or anything to win this. She does not lack the feats, wether is raw power or gear feats. She has more than enough in all areas to win. But if you will coninue to say a bullet>WW, and that any legit win Diana has over other powerhouse characters she faced are not valid, then we will continue to run in circles.

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@agent41: Should i post the scans or do you want to.

If you want to, please go ahead.

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Issue 6 of WW has some good feats. First i would like to know your opinion of Diana vs Giganta feat.

Giganta picked the over 80.000 tons obelisk and threw it over onto Diana's head. Giganta was being amped by Circe according to comic. It reads, And so Giganta--buoyed by Circe's most vigorous magic-- had the time to remove the Washington Monument from the podium where it had stood for a hundred and fifty years. Somebody calcuted the feat to be several nuclear bombs equivalent. Using the gravitational acceleration on Earth then F = mass x acceleration = 91,000,000 kg x 9.8 m/s^2. And it's not free falling, it's being slammed down by a giant that was juiced up by the power of Circe's magic, so that would increase the the force of impact more and more. Do you agree wih the several nukes calc?

Then second part with Grail. The fight narraion says that their fists collapsing ono each other could be heard in oher states. And that Grail and Diana can destroy Mountains with their knuckles.

It was a great, the calc could be wrong we do not how fast and hard giganta hit her but diana was also distraught and was getting mentally attacked by dr psycho and angle man to the point that they pass out of exhaustion and the same goes for circe who has crazy feats and could actually solo all the male superheroes. You're also forgetting that diana fought grail while weakened and that the narraction also said that silver swan could never hope to slow down diana. All of these while diana was still holding back and ignoring her lasso. I guess king is amping her up, i wonder what he'll do in the next issue with superman.

That is what i thought. It is still a very good feat. Because Giganta was amped by Circe, and Diana was getting mentally attacked by Dr Psycho and Angle Man at the same time.

The battle wih grail was really good. As it talks about striking force that could be heard in other states. And that boht can destroy mountains wiht their knuckles.

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Issue 6 of WW has some good feats. First i would like to know your opinion of Diana vs Giganta feat.

Giganta picked the over 80.000 tons obelisk and threw it over onto Diana's head. Giganta was being amped by Circe according to comic. It reads, And so Giganta--buoyed by Circe's most vigorous magic-- had the time to remove the Washington Monument from the podium where it had stood for a hundred and fifty years. Somebody calcuted the feat to be several nuclear bombs equivalent. Using the gravitational acceleration on Earth then F = mass x acceleration = 91,000,000 kg x 9.8 m/s^2. And it's not free falling, it's being slammed down by a giant that was juiced up by the power of Circe's magic, so that would increase the the force of impact more and more. Do you agree wih the several nukes calc?

Then second part with Grail. The fight narraion says that their fists collapsing ono each other could be heard in oher states. And that Grail and Diana can destroy Mountains with their knuckles.