Forever? Pointless endeavor


 

 


 
So I was reading a blog by Jordama and his rant about Images from the forever universe popping up in 616 and it got me to thinking as you know X-Men Forever is the spin-off of X-Men vol.2 after Asteroid M collapses and Cortez escapes written by the "great" Chris Claremont, it's like a timeline tangent or a glorified What-If comic. Now there are 2 other comics in the forever series X-Factor and New Mutants I really didn't follow either comic way back when so I can't comment too much on that all I know is it's being written by the series' former writers, in no way are either one connected to the other, and they are all where most of the writers left off. Now I've picked up 6 or 7 of X-Men Forever because it got interesting for a minute and I was looking for a 90's Rogue fix it would be on my next imaginary pull list then things got terrible, then great, then weird. My opinion of this book has rised and wained first its good to have stories of early X-Men caliber although Claremont's heavy handed writing is off putting and it's good for them to focus on most of the original team but so many fan favorites are written off (Psylocke's deported, Colossus is back in russia not sure if he stayed, and Jubilee is usually mentioned as off panel). Just think of the comic as The X-Men animated series just replace Wolverine with Nightcrawler and Jubilee with a spunkier and specific narrator Kitty. 
  Everytime I think of picking up I stop because it won't make any sense I always get the feeling it will be explained in the long run but it's just really hard to follow. From Jean sleeping with Beast, Scott and his secret family, the revealation that they would die from burnout of they're powers, to Rogue and Nightcrawlers powerswitch (which is where I left off) and so much else.This series is like he's trying so hard to seperate himself from his original story so he's throwing everything that he can in and knowing no one can call him on it. Ok this isn't a review of the series but an opinion why in the world did this series get made I know you want to relive the glory days but if you want to live so bad why'd you leave in the first place? it's like TV 101 he see's someone else enjoying the book more then he did so he wants it back and does it so arrogantly. Not to mention the way he's putting so many of his characters through these trials it's like dude what are you trying to tell us. In all I don't know what to think of this series what role does it play why pick it up; he doesn't bring in too many familiar faces, he's already stated these are the stories he wanted to tell but these stories seem so out there just to say this is "how i wanted the excalibur members to come back" or "this is what I really wanted to do with Psylocke". He's already stated he's not going back through his drafts of old X-Men stories so really is he just throwing things at the wall and seeing what outlandish thing sticks,  thats why I come to you the readers what do you think about this series or any of the Forever series for that matter, what do you get out of it, what keeps you going back or not liking it and before you answer hear this rumor: Early on during the Forever craze Chuck Austen was consdering writing an Uncanny X-Men forever...

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21 Comments
Posted by jordama

Glad I could "inspire" you.  
 
I agree with you, Claremont was great at the time but I think he needs to let go. Him keep trying to stay relevant is really sad. X-Men Forever and New Mutants aren't really story, but shock value. Look I killed Wolverine, Kurt and Rogue switched powers, I killed this character and made this one fall for this one and I stop caring. I tried X-Men forever and it just got stupid, i'm keeping with new mutants forever partially for the lame reason of the costume change, I have become a costume fanatic with my Micros. Out of the Forever series the only one I kinda liked was X-Factor Forever, that was pretty good, and you know what, Claremont had nothing to do with it and the writer didn't pretend that this is the untold story.
Posted by A-Strondinaire
@jordama:
Exactly on all points he's not establishing anything thats new or different from the old book aside from crazy changes what he could do is tie in somethings that happened in the real universe or lack thereof
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i'm sure that he wanted to kill a major non X-Men character (not gonna spoil) and have everyone else be okay with it. not to mention use red skull, complete sense.
Posted by FadeToBlackBolt

Is Cyclops sleeping with Psylocke? If not, this series is pointless and should be axed.

Posted by CATMANEXE

no more than Ultimates. and i don't mean any offense at all but everything i just read here is a matter of opinion
and preference. so its really only pointless to those who didnt like it, and if you bought it anyways its sort of on you.
its the same as trying to say chocolate chip peppermint ice cream shouldnt be made because you don't like the taste.
and obviously if it were actually that bad it would be taken off the shelves, but the proof otherwise is that its still there
because people are still buying enough of it. the reason you don't hear from those people is because they tend to get 
blasted by users that are fiercely against the series even being in print (which like it or not is very redundant), and they
don't see a point to even discussing it.

Posted by danhimself

I was about to drop it (not out of not liking it but because I need to cut back on books cause my head is starting to hurt) but then there was that Rogue/Spider-man story and I knew that I had to keep reading the book just to see if they go anywhere with that cause it was awesome

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Posted by FadeToBlackBolt
@danhimself said:
" I was about to drop it (not out of not liking it but because I need to cut back on books cause my head is starting to hurt) but then there was that Rogue/Spider-man story and I knew that I had to keep reading the book just to see if they go anywhere with that cause it was awesome "
Ohhhh, that sounds nifty, what happened there? :)
Posted by danhimself
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @danhimself said:
" I was about to drop it (not out of not liking it but because I need to cut back on books cause my head is starting to hurt) but then there was that Rogue/Spider-man story and I knew that I had to keep reading the book just to see if they go anywhere with that cause it was awesome "
Ohhhh, that sounds nifty, what happened there? :) "
they met up randomly while Rogue was running around the city and hung out all night being all flirty and what not then almost kissed but the other X-men came to pick her up and interrupted them before they could.....the whole idea of them hooking up in that reality just seems to work really well for some reason
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Posted by FadeToBlackBolt
@danhimself said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @danhimself said:
" I was about to drop it (not out of not liking it but because I need to cut back on books cause my head is starting to hurt) but then there was that Rogue/Spider-man story and I knew that I had to keep reading the book just to see if they go anywhere with that cause it was awesome "
Ohhhh, that sounds nifty, what happened there? :) "
they met up randomly while Rogue was running around the city and hung out all night being all flirty and what not then almost kissed but the other X-men came to pick her up and interrupted them before they could.....the whole idea of them hooking up in that reality just seems to work really well for some reason "
That sounds awesome. I love weird couplings :D
 
What issue was that, if I may ask? 
 
And thank you very much for the info :)
Posted by danhimself
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @danhimself said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @danhimself said:
" I was about to drop it (not out of not liking it but because I need to cut back on books cause my head is starting to hurt) but then there was that Rogue/Spider-man story and I knew that I had to keep reading the book just to see if they go anywhere with that cause it was awesome "
Ohhhh, that sounds nifty, what happened there? :) "
they met up randomly while Rogue was running around the city and hung out all night being all flirty and what not then almost kissed but the other X-men came to pick her up and interrupted them before they could.....the whole idea of them hooking up in that reality just seems to work really well for some reason "
That sounds awesome. I love weird couplings :D  What issue was that, if I may ask?   And thank you very much for the info :) "
X-men Forever 2:  issues 2 and 3
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Posted by FadeToBlackBolt
@danhimself said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @danhimself said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @danhimself said:
" I was about to drop it (not out of not liking it but because I need to cut back on books cause my head is starting to hurt) but then there was that Rogue/Spider-man story and I knew that I had to keep reading the book just to see if they go anywhere with that cause it was awesome "
Ohhhh, that sounds nifty, what happened there? :) "
they met up randomly while Rogue was running around the city and hung out all night being all flirty and what not then almost kissed but the other X-men came to pick her up and interrupted them before they could.....the whole idea of them hooking up in that reality just seems to work really well for some reason "
That sounds awesome. I love weird couplings :D  What issue was that, if I may ask?   And thank you very much for the info :) "
X-men Forever 2:  issues 2 and 3 "
Fantastic. Thank you again  :)
Posted by danhimself
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @danhimself said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @danhimself said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @danhimself said:
" I was about to drop it (not out of not liking it but because I need to cut back on books cause my head is starting to hurt) but then there was that Rogue/Spider-man story and I knew that I had to keep reading the book just to see if they go anywhere with that cause it was awesome "
Ohhhh, that sounds nifty, what happened there? :) "
they met up randomly while Rogue was running around the city and hung out all night being all flirty and what not then almost kissed but the other X-men came to pick her up and interrupted them before they could.....the whole idea of them hooking up in that reality just seems to work really well for some reason "
That sounds awesome. I love weird couplings :D  What issue was that, if I may ask?   And thank you very much for the info :) "
X-men Forever 2:  issues 2 and 3 "
Fantastic. Thank you again  :) "
no problem and you're welcome
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Posted by CATMANEXE
@danhimself: 
that does sound fun. sadly i had to drop right after the Rogue/Mystique/Kurt issue do
to situation calling for me to cut down on the amount of books i was getting. hopefully
down the line i'll get to read the rest in trades.
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@CATMANEXE:
That's what I said it's opinion just like if I said that type of ice cream shouldn't be made it's an opinion like I said I picked up issues that I liked and it was mostly the first half of it after that I just wanted explanations to certain things and have not gotten it. Its not on me if I enjoy it, it's on me if I continue to waste my money to pick it up with it having no real creed or mission which I have not. My whole point is the books not really showing why anyone should like this book aside from the fact that Claremont used to write it that's like Stan Lee doing some transformer spin-off comics with the reason only being I wrote it. I pick up Legacy because I like Rogue and most of the New X-Men I like Gotham City Sirens because of the character dynamic with Claremont's book I see great action but no real point to any of it so far I don't see any explanations to any of his revealations hence my reasoning on asking why is this made but it doesn't mean I want it stop I just want it to make enough sense of an original X-Men comic not what can I screw with now. I have never seen anyone bad mouthed for reading Forever I discussed it before it got outrageous never outcasted once.
Posted by CATMANEXE
@A-Strondinaire: 
stop reading it like you should have a long time ago and move onto something else.
simple as that. i'm not sure why you didnt understand that and rambled on about more 
things about the book you don't like. i can't accept logic on your end. its much like your 
sticking your face into a lawnmower here and blaming the lawnmower.
Posted by xerox_kitty
@A-Strondinaire: I agree with you completely.   
 
My first problem with this was the 'these are the stories I wanted to tell' angel that Claremont keeps putting on these books.  But logic, character placement, character pwoers & more keep proving him wrong.   
 
My second problem is as you said.  This is just an on-going 'What If...?' type universe.  While I'm not interested in any of the Ultimate titles (except maybe Ultimate Beardy Thor), at least it started from scratch instead of being a spin off. 
 
Third problem... Each 'Forever' title is a new & unique universe of it's own.  X-Men, X-Factor & New Mutants Forever all exist in different universes.  So there's no continuity like there is with the Ultimate universe.   
 
I only bought X-Factor: Forever.  Louise Simonson was honest enough to admit that these weren't the stories that she would have told back in the early 90's.  So for me, that was refreshing enough to try it.  Not great, but enjoyable in an old fashioned sense.  It all tied into the original series & felt a bit like the original series.  Whereas Claremont seems hellbent on warping everyone & everything out of context so much that it's unrecognisable from the original series.  There's no connection to the oiginal X-Men or New Mutants titles, that it all feels alien, forced and wrong.   
 
I don't want this new rubbish to taint my memories of the classic stories... therefore I avoid everything & anything that Claremont comes out with now.  And even though it wasn't a 'Forever' title, this also includes my feelings towards the dreadful excuse for X-Porn that was X-Women.
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Edited by A-Strondinaire
@CATMANEXE:
You really don't understand do you? I stopped picking it up it's been established three times I 've enjoyed half of it's first run but got annoyed by the little things like Xerox-kitty stated. My point to get across is what is it that's keeping other people picking it up not to bash them or outtcast them for reading I'm just asking others point of view while not trying to sound like " this is my opinion and you have to accept it as fact" thats what an argument is stating your opinion  while hearing somebody else side of the story, something your not comprehending just coming in ranting and raving something you think that i'm doing. Now I don't understand your logic, how can you lecture me on the stupidity of continuing on picking up a book I dislike, if I have not picked it up? 
Posted by jordama

I love alternate realities, The fact that this is an alternate reality doesn't bother me. Its the way its written, its poor. It lacks the same interest that Ultimate had. X-men forever is all shock value.
Posted by ahumancartoon

ATTENTION TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT DOSEN'T GET IT! 
 
The Claremont stories that your seeing is not like anything ANYBODY has seen from him before. Why? Because he doesn't have an editor or publisher telling him what to do. What your seeing is Clarmont off the reigns. He dosen't have to follow along with any changes that happened after he left, dosen't have to keep characters alive fo any reason or preserve anything from the Marvel Universe as a whole. I love this series! I actually prefer this series over the "canon" X-Men books. I feel like the X-Men I've been reading since he left was stories out of Mad Magazine or something.

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@ahumancartoon:
Oh sir we get it, we get that a man with no real goal in sight churns out nothing but a huge cluster freak don't try to justify the things he did just because who he is and then bad mouth everything else that is what we call a fanboy. I know full well what X-Men forever is, it's a book that was trying so hard break free from something that's been working for years to get shock value ratings and just crap all over the mythos. I know Uncanny isn't all sunshine and rainbows but it's a hell of a lot better than this. So enjoy it while it last because by 2011 it's gone.
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@A-Strondinaire:
lol whatever