The red guy.
@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: How come? Juggernaut is a beast dont get me wrong, with the power of cytt he was messing up quite a bit. But Strange and Doom have defeated other dimensional demons. I'm just curious on how a Prepped Prime Doom would do vs a Classic Strange. When Doom has fought strange he's only ever used magic. Strange has commented on Dooms savant like ability and amazing how fast he learns. But always tends to best him magic wise (as well he should) but Doom using his intellect and Tech AND mystic ability, imo should give Classic Strange a stalemate-esque battle... Maybe even a win... what do you think? As for Trion. I just like the Juggernaut and wanted to throw him in haha. BTW I'm tired of reading on the vine about Cyttorak owning Victor. The Crimson band spell backfired on Doom because he failed to worship Cyttorak. It's a lot like not paying your Direct tv bill then them cutting it off. Cept imagine your box exploding... lol Cyttorak didn't harm Doom or beat Doom at anything. Not that he couldn't its just scans have been taken WAAAAY out of context.
Ok, here's the thing.
As much as I like Dr. Strange, he has a certain limit and that limit is the usage of his Principalities. However; Out of all of Strange's Principality, all of but one has the power to completely negate any other Principality and deny them the use of loaning Strange any power at its (Cyttorak) presence to aid Strange.
Let's take a look around at the dimensions out there reining from Extra-Dimensional Realm to Splinter Realm, and to Inner Galactic Realms. Starting from the Inner Realms out:
- Earth Realm (Multiverse): Strange can summon and invoke any outsourcing Principality
- Otherworld (Asgard, Olympus, Yomi, Maya, Celestial Heliopolis etc...) : Strange can summon and invoke any outsourcing Principality
- Astral Plane: Strange can summon and invoke any outsourcing Principality
- Avalon: Strange can summon and invoke any outsourcing Principality
- Hell: Strange can summon and invoke any outsourcing Principality
- Purple Dimension: Strange can summon and invoke any outsourcing Principality
- Dark Dimension: Strange can summon and invoke any outsourcing Principality
- Dream and Nightmare Dimension: Strange can summon and invoke any outsourcing Principality
- Soul Dimension: Strange can summon and invoke any outsourcing Principality
- Death's Gate: Strange can summon and invoke any outsourcing Principality
- Realm of Agamotto: Strange can summon and invoke any outsourcing Principality
- Dimension of Manifestation: Strange can summon and invoke any outsourcing Principality
- Chaos Dimension: Strange can summon and invoke any outsourcing Principality
- Dimension of Perilous: Strange can summon and invoke any outsourcing Principality
- Plus many others.
Before Cyttorak's essence or the Crimson Cosmos: No Power can be summoned.
He pretty much did the same thing to Colossus.
Dr. Strange has fought the Beyonder and made the Beyonder think twice about the power that Strange's wields. But before we get into that, let's 1st talk about how Strange was able to duel against the Living Tribunal twice. Despite popular belief; The Living Tribunal is weaker than Beyonder. Beyonder explains this in great detail during Secret Wars II. And Thanos follows up with the same conclusion later on during The End. But before Thanos ever realized this, Dr. Strange, Dr. Doom and Beyonder already has known it even before Infinity War (Saga, Watch, Gauntlet, Crusade) started. But anyhow...
- Living Tribunal accepted a duel against Dr. Strange once
- And the second time, the Living Tribunal had to prep an assassination using and personally empowering the Inbetweener.
Strange uses a Raggadorr Spell that forces the Living Tribunal to call forth the "Shields of the Seraphim" which he invokes through a sign he gestures to protect himself from a said, "Potent Curse".
Living Tribunal being surprised at this guardian of the Multiverse that protects it against menaces from "Worlds beyond Worlds" (AKA: the ExtraDimension)
The second time Living Tribunal faced Strange, he (all the heads) deemed it wise to get rid of Strange because he's just too powerful releasing extradimensional energy that gambit the stability of the multiverse. He releases Inbetweener to do the deed. Powering Inbetweener passed his limits. This issue was basically the attempt assassination of Dr. Strange planned by the Living Tribunal itself.
Living Tribunal's limits within the extradimensional plane:
The Living Tribunal's concept is within the inner plane so only within the border of Eternity (the house of everything that all is in TIME), his power reigns Supreme. Outside of Eternity however, is a timeless void that is beyond concept. So the further away Living Tribunal ventures passed the timeless void, the more less a concept becomes.
This was proven in a few occasions, but I will only name two:
- Ultaverse: Living Tribunal could not venture to it in fear that it will have no power. Rune (extradimensional being) steals the 6 Infinity Gems from Eternity to bring them into the Ultraverse which holds the 7th Gem.
- Zom Saga: Aside that the Living Tribunal could not directly contain Zom, he had to use the Sorcerer Supreme and another extradimensional (Dormammu) to aid him and Eternity to rid of Zom. However, Zom already contaminated part of the universe/multiverse just by his presents being there. The Living Tribunal, not wanting to be contaminated; demands Strange (after 1st battle) to contain the reside power that Zom left behind. Strange is lured to Nebulos whom presents a staff that is a part of its essence to use to collect the remaining of Zom's power. Strange successfully does it, but the Living Tribunal ventures outside of the Multiverse to challenge nebulos in the extradimensional realm of Perilous. Tribunal was greatly depowered to the point of physical hand to hand battle. He had to use another extradimensional outsource of power to beat Nebulos by invoking the "Eternal Flames of the Faltine".
As for Beyonder; He encountered Dr. Strange in a cross over between Secret War II.
Dr. Strange pretty much made a fool of him. They battled, had a talk, Strange had to show Beyonder a reality to make Beyonder's comprehension of people narrow down a bit to understand life inside the multiverse. Beyonder even threw a hissy fit using his powers to instantly destroy surrounding areas, but Dr. Strange just uses a quick spell that reverts all the damage Beyonder does back to normal as though nothing had happened.
A follow up to this event happened in the main arc of Secret War II storyline where Beyonder gathers all of the Abstracts including the Living Tribunal and gives them all a school lesson about what and what not they are and deciding whether or not to destroy them. Around this time, he explains to them and his human friend about his encounter with Dr. Strange.
"He is far more, far greater than any in your multiverse suspects!"
he continues off....
"He might have zapped me off into a pocket dimension and kept me constantly inebriated, thus rid your multiverse of me forever"
He was serious too because before saying this, he just had defeated all of the Celestials and then kidnapped all of the Abstracts and the Abstracts were his audience when speaking this.
Remember the Shield of the Seraphim the Living Tribunal used to protect himself from Raggadorr's Rings?
Cyttorak breaks them.
Remember how Dr. Strange is able to defy the decisions and actions of both Living Tribunal AND Beyonder? (Through battle of power)
Only way to get by Cyttorak is to humbly agree with him. (otherwise he takes your powers away)
Let's check out Dr. Doom! One that even Thanos ADMITS how dangerous Doom can be!
This is the guy that Thanos must always never let his guard down and has to constantly surveillance at all times.
When he siphoned the power of Galactus, he utilizes it better than Galactus does.
Has a better fight against Odin than Thanos did against him.
Whoops on a tag-team Warlock & Magus together as Magus had the Infinity Gauntlet.
Doom Armour can asorb energies from someone as powerful as Franklin. Explaining that Doom can utilize Franklin's own power better than Franklin can. Why not? He uses Galactus'power than Galactus himself can. He was quite well handling Beyonder's powers as well as Beyonder, if not better.
Don't forget that Beyonder had to utilize preptime (for the very 1st time) to get his powers back from Dr. Doom using Doom's pawn, The Klaw.
Now that we see Doom's track record; he's just as impressive as Dr. Strange. But even Doom knows that there are some powers that can't be taken by force, let alone over powered by the brilliance of his mind. And yes, I know you said not to mention it, but I'm going to mention it any way. It was the powers of Cyttorak. He actually tried to manipulate its powers twice.
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