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@Juiceboks said:

@202122: His reflexes are matched by his speed in base form as well as hyper shadow form. The same goes for Sonic as they are able to react to each other and other similar powered beings when they fight. Absorbing the Chaos Emeralds augments ALL of their abilities not just speed. So yes he does actually have lightspeed reaction and thats more than enough to be able to use Chaos control to slow or just stop time completely long enough to take out or absorb atleast one of your teammates.

Feats? Scans? Shadow has never dealt with someone as fast as Powergirl or Wonder Woman he doesn't have the speed, strength, skill or feats to match either of these two.

@Juiceboks said:

@202122: At the same time Adam is dealing with Mongul, Deadman could turn invisible and fly towards any of the other 4 and take control of them. Maxima would be an optimum choice preventing any potential mind control. If Warlock is taking care of Mongul then he wont notice an invisible Brand fly towards any of the others. No one save for Warlock can stop him or sense him while he's attempting to accomplish this.

Adam with the soul gem Vs Mongul is not going to last longer then a few seconds. Adam Warlock absorbed the souls of Magus' entire death squad a feat which Thanos admitted he could't replicate. Deadman is next to go and within a minute you've already lost two powerful players not to mention Shadow (who falls in less then a second) and Orion and Buu who are under Maxima's control.

@Juiceboks said:

@202122: The Mother Box just helps keep his anger in check. It doesnt control him. Ravens powers are empathatic not psionic and she is extremely formidable in the field. Since you brought it up, he could use it to BFR Maxima to Apokolips while she tries to take over Buu. Sure she can fly back but it would take awhile and that frees up time for Orion and Buu to double team Warlock or BRB.

Well considering Raven empathy powers are PSIONIC Maxima could do the exact same thing and extremely formidable? Maxima's psionic skills are on a whole new level compared to Raven as i've already shown. He's not going to think to use the mother box to BFR and even if he thought of the idea Maxima will already have him under her control and seconds away from a mind crush.

@entropy_aegis said:

@202122 said:

@entropy_aegis: You say that but if it wasn't for his size he wouldn't be anywhere near the threat he is.

WTF are you talking about? seriously go educate yourself on the character first,you say size as if he is hundreds of feet tall.Bane has far superior h2h feats than most of the so called master fighters who are only built on hype and talk.

sigh, calm down man down, examples of these hype built master fighter? I know Bane's H2H skills and they vary greatly from him swinging like a thug to well aimed and precise hits. I'm saying that if he wasn't on a constant bulking session he wouldn't be as much of threat.

@ColonelRunAway said:

@202122: John's not all perfect

-Wife murdered

-Blew up two planets and killed two fellow GLs (though Mogo was one of each, and looks like he'll be coming back).

'Course, the crowbar thing probably still takes precedent.

nah man those planets had it coming

@entropy_aegis: You say that but if it wasn't for his size he wouldn't be anywhere near the threat he is.

@Kid_Omega_Prime: How is this even close?

Jason Todd

- Abusive/probably dead dad

- Drug addict/dead mum

- Beaten to death with a crowbar

- Painfully brought back to life and then put into a psychotic rage

- Now an outlaw and criminal

- Has two friends

John Stewart

- Ex-marine

- Badass Green lantern ring

- Power level way above most heroes

- Pulling the females

hmmmmmmm

@Juiceboks said:

@202122:I didnt forget, Shadow has them in speed via time manipulation. Slowing them down or speeding himself up to the point where he can effortlessly dispatch both. Both are fast but arent fast enough to blitz him before he can think to use Chaos Control because he can operate at light speed. Flash holds back..alot. He states she can keep up with him to a certain point same as Supes so that doesnt show her moving at speeds capable of blitzing him faster than he can think.

Shadow doesn't have time to use chaos control he isn't going to be able to see and therefore even think to use Chaos Control, and as for operating at light speed he can't go that fast, his travel speed is impressive but reaction is a whole different thing where as WW has the reactions to match her travel speed. Shadow isn't beating Power girl with her speed same as Wonder Woman.@Juiceboks said:

@202122:

It was a sucker shot because he had barely noticed she grabbed him. They werent fighting it was a surprise assault. I'm not doubting her telepathic abilities which are formidable, however he does have a high resistance and when seriously pushed to the edge(both physically and mentally) he enters a berserk state which only a handful of people could contain and Maxima isnt one of them. I dont have the scans of him resisting DS telepathic assaults but I believe it was in one of the New Gods 3 issues when he does this. Anyone with access to the issue can confirm.

She doesn't need contact to use TP this is just an example where she did, Orion isn't going to be able to defend against this kind of attack. This berserker mode isn't going to work in this instance because there's no way he can respond to a mind crushing from Maxima. Even if she doesn't deem it necessary to mind crush him Orion has been shown to be susceptible to psionic manipulation like Mother Box or when Raven used her empathy powers on him. Placing an illusion in his mind or manipulating his feelings would work just as well.@Juiceboks said:

@202122: Also, the IG is not part of his standard gear. He gained it in Infinity Watch and thats it. He usually has the Soul Gem not the whole gauntlet. And besides, that would certainly put him way above Skyfather level which is against the OP rules.

True the IG is a bit over the top but he still has access to the soul gem which is all he needs to win this battle

@theDCkid said:

@202122: 10 minutes of prep is more then enough time to activate the forcefield belt and coordinate it to my strategy, so BG's belt will be activated and Nightcrawlers attacks will prove ineffective.

That doesn't explain how Booster Gold is going to have the force field around him and around HT at the same time.

@theDCkid said:

@202122: Next: even if Cyborg managed to hack Tony's armour, Tony has prepared for tehnological attacks on his armour before. If it looked as though Cyborg gaining control was an immenent threat, Iron man would lock down the armour. But that's not going to happen because even if Colossus is moved to the start Iron man can still blitz Cyborg with repulsor blasts, Iron man can target and shoot at the speed of thought as shown above. And Kurt won't be able to teleport him away because he will be projecting illusions at the same time.

You reminded me that we have 10 minutes of prep before the battle and that changes the entire battle, 10 minutes is more then enough time to hack Tony's armour so as soon as the battle begins Tony is already out. It's true though when Cyborg takes control of the armour IM might be able to lock it down but it wont be much good seeing as it will still put Tony out of the fight.

Jason mainly because with guns he's pretty beast

"For some reason I couldnt enlarge the scan so I couldnt tell how exactly it went down. Regardless that one instance was a sucker shot by Maxima and New Gods are shown to have great telepathic resistance. For example the parademons resisting MM telepathic attacks in the Martian Manhunter 2 series. Orion is no exception having resisted Darkseids manipulation in the past."

Yet he didn't and couldn't...and how can TP be a sucker shot when she can use it from miles away to good effect. This is a comic battle that shows Maxima's TP being stronger then Orion's resistance you can't argue against that. Once Maxima is done she takes control of Buu and it becomes a battle of:

6 Vs 4

"Black Doom assaults him with space manipulating attacks as base form Shadow and with more potent attacks when he transforms to Devil Doom. Devil Doom has control over the Chaos force sufficient enough to rival Shadow so in alot of ways he is more powerful than Diana. Shadow doesnt need to say Chaos Control to use Chaos Control and he doesnt need a Chaos Emerald. He wouldnt get blitzed by someone who's not light speeds faster than him like WW. She may be more skilled in combat than him and certainly stronger but I believe he has her in speed and raw power. When was the space gem used to stop time? The closest thing I can recall is speeding someone up which isnt the same as time manipulation as time and space are not one in the same. Also are you implying that Warlock has access to the whole Infinity Gauntlet? The soul gem is a piece of his usual equipment not the gauntlet."

Devil Doom is a lot more powerful in some ways...just not ones that effect the outcome of this fight. He has better matter manipulation and energy attack but Diana has better speed, strength and skill. How can Hyper Shadow have WW in speed when he can't travel faster then the speed of light and she can travel faster then it. Here you can see matching some of the fastest people in comics including Flash and Amazo (who had absorbed the entire league's powers. Also I think you forget about Power Girl is a female Superman capable of going just as fast as the big man himself, even faster then WW Shadow doesn't have the reaction/speed feats to beat WW (Faster then the speed of light) and Powergirl (As fast as Supes).

Sorry meant to type Time gem and yes Warlock has access to the entire gauntlet they're part of his standard gear