Character » Professor X appears in 4394 issues.
Xavier was finding and training mutants for 40 years before Brubaker retconned Deadly Genesis into his background and made him into a morally shady character. And just because Fraction is doing BS characterization of Xavier so Cyclops can look cool, that does not mean Xavier was always that way. In fact for most of his life on panel, Xavier was shown to be *far* more pacifist than Cyclops is being shown now.
The first two teams Xavier was repeatedly shown personally training, as well as the New Mutants who were specifically *not* recruited to be a super hero team, (they just went ahead and did it anyway). He had a hand training most of the mutants that walked across the threshold of Institute until 2006. At the very least other X-men who were training newer mutants were using his methods.
Just because newer writers are on a "I hate old people, let's make him look bad so we can get rid of him" kick, the character deserves respect for being a pillar of the X-Men for 40-plus years.
Speaking of "military recruiters", Cyclops is the one Marvel editorial wanted to and has turned into a general. The X-Men used to be a family, but Alex Alonso (the editor for the X-titles) wanted and did turn them into an army. And Xavier had to be shoved aside to do it.
i did not know that.. can you explain it further pls.." @castleking: Don't forget that he knowingly enslaved an intelligent life form in the danger room and did not tell anybody. "
how come xavier always gets ragged on but magneto is almost treated as a hero despite being a complete racist who has no problem destroying peoples live including some of his fellow mutants to further his goals which almost always are to put himself as the ruler of mutants. hes just a bigot who can talk people into following him. so he had bad shit happen to him he has become just as bad as the people who caused him to hate humans
Ah, I see what is happening.
I have run into a couple Magneto fans like this: Those that feel that Magneto is the hero ergo Xavier must be the villain.
Sadly by casting the characters in black and white, they are missing out on the rich moral complexity of both characters as much as those who cast Xavier as a saint and Magneto as the devil.
Also sadly, they make a bad name for other fans of the character. You have no idea how much flak I have run into following in the wake of fans like this, just because I'm a Magneto fan "just like them."
Magneto is not a hero, not matter how above the board his actions and noble is intentions might be. Magneto has never claimed to be a hero, in fact when he was called one he said:
"I am no hero. Merely a man who has seen and done and endured what can never be forgotten or forgiven." ~ Uncanny X-Men #196
You will not find many heroes on the world stage. Global Politics does not encourage or endure them, but you will find many characters like Magneto. People who are not heroic, but are doing horrible things in their people's interest.
But he isn't a "bad guy". Just like casting Magneto as a hero, casting Magneto as a straight villain is too narrow a perception for what the character has been established to be." @Pania: i know magneto doesnt think himself a hero that was more directed at the fans who claim he is, i do like magneto as a villain obviously but he is a bad guy "
Yet Claremont’s vision of Magneto takes this archetype and twists this theme—ever so slightly. A formerly powerless and very sympathetic individual suddenly gains great powers, but his transformation is seen as being much more ambiguous than Peter Parker's or Steve Rogers'. Magneto attempts to use his powers for good (or at least what he perceives as being good), but the results are much more realistic than in most superhero narratives. This reversal makes Mags one of Marvel’s best characters creatively; but reading a good Magneto story can also be a little disturbing because it questions conventions that we have grown to accept. I think this explains a lot of the anxiety that Magneto fosters among both creators and readership. In Marvel’s universe, Magneto exists alongside the old archetype, but also calls it into question.
While a character like Mags might not be that unusual in dystopian sci-fi setting or even in a more creative graphic novel such as the Watchmen, he stands out in this milieu. I sometimes get the feeling that readers, writers, and editors don’t always know what to do with him. They try to fit Mags in labels such as good/evil, hero/villain, etc, but he doesn’t always fit into these easy categories. Take away his powers and his mutanthood and he is like a real person, in many respects.
I like the comparison to “Munich and Syriania,” by the way. Perhaps Mags fits into these film's historical and cultural contexts more than he fits into the same world as the average super hero comic. But of course, we wouldn’t really want Mags to not stand out. What makes him so discomforting also makes him so interesting. ~ CandidI, Marvel.com X-Men Board<<<
But he did hate and advocate violence against whites." @Pania: malcom x never murdered anyone or tried to steal missles "
But how is he "evil' whereas as Malcom X was not? Malcom just did not take it as far, so "evil" is designated by action and not moral attitudes? The Black Panthers killed cops. Were they "evil?'" @Pania: i didnt say he was in the same category as doom or loki but he is a villain regardless of the motivation evil is evil period "
Because he's a racist and to hate anyone just because of the way they are born is evil and he's a hypocrite when you consider what happened to him as a child." @joshmightbe said:
But how is he "evil' whereas as Malcom X was not? Malcom just did not take it as far, so "evil" is designated by action moral attitudes? "" @Pania: i didnt say he was in the same category as doom or loki but he is a villain regardless of the motivation evil is evil period "
He already has." @Pania: because towards the end malcom actually started to compromise due to his visit to mecca where as i dont beleive magneto will ever be able to do that "
Can you show me in the pages of House of M how Magneto's regime treated humans as lesser people?" @Pania: and during house of m when he ruled the world it was feuled by bigotry and he treated humans and mutants with physical mutations as lesser people which is probably how it would really be if he got what he wanted "
What happened to him as a child taught him: "He who holds the power, makes the rules. The only way for my people to be safe is if we hold the power." Not so different from the Zionists who formed Israel after millennia of antisemitism in Europe. Is it nice? No. Are they evil?" @Pania said:
Because he's a racist and to hate anyone just because of the way they are born is evil and he's a hypocrite when you consider what happened to him as a child. "" @joshmightbe said:
But how is he "evil' whereas as Malcom X was not? Malcom just did not take it as far, so "evil" is designated by action moral attitudes? "" @Pania: i didnt say he was in the same category as doom or loki but he is a villain regardless of the motivation evil is evil period "
Magneto had nothing to do with the creation of the House of M it was his children that created it using Wanda's power and Quick Silver's manipulation they just made there daddy king not Magneto's fault" @Truex: Good point. X-Men vs. Avengers and House of M, both times he wanted to change society so that the prejudice didn't exist anymore, not eliminate humans from existence. Same thing could be said of his multiple attempts to create a mutant homeland: Create a society in which the prejudice did not exist. Yeah, "evil" for me is someone who harms innocents for their own sadistic pleasure. Casandroa Nova, Loki, Red Skull. Those are truly evil characters. As to Xavier, he made mistakes, but his contributions far outweigh them. And if one needs proof: Just look at AoA. *chuckle* "
" @Pania: the social stigma was practically government endorsed "Find where he made a law that endorsed it?
" @Pania said:Magneto had nothing to do with the creation of the House of M it was his children that created it using Wanda's power and Quick Silver's manipulation they just made there daddy king not Magneto's fault" @Truex: Good point. X-Men vs. Avengers and House of M, both times he wanted to change society so that the prejudice didn't exist anymore, not eliminate humans from existence. Same thing could be said of his multiple attempts to create a mutant homeland: Create a society in which the prejudice did not exist. Yeah, "evil" for me is someone who harms innocents for their own sadistic pleasure. Casandroa Nova, Loki, Red Skull. Those are truly evil characters. As to Xavier, he made mistakes, but his contributions far outweigh them. And if one needs proof: Just look at AoA. *chuckle* "
As I say below there are different levels of evil and I am not denying that the people you have mentioned are evil and even more evil than Magneto but that does not make him not evil it simply makes him less evil by comparison
And finally I'm glad you brought the subject back to Xavier. Yes I agree that AOA is proof that his presence has done some good but I propose that he was never good and all of his actions were but a ruse to hide his true agenda you say he was helping the younger mutants to control there powers I say he was training an army you say they defeated "evil" mutants I say he sent children to take out rivals and undesirables. I would be thrilled if that is were his character was heading.
@Pania: That is fair and well thought out argument but all I will say is that there are different levels of evil and even evil people can change "
" so who has Xavier helped individually?
the 1st team of x men is a given but what about after them?
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