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Character » Polaris appears in 1656 issues.

The mutant mistress of magnetism, Polaris is the daughter of Magneto and half sister to Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch. After a long sojourn in space she's now rejoined the ranks of X-Factor.

Is Polaris really Magneto's daughter ?

Posted by MrSeaman70 (294 posts) - 2 years, 17 days ago - Show Bio

Is Polaris really Magneto's daughter ? If so, why did Magneto in AOA reality seem to deny it or rather why didn't he make much of an effort to save her from Mr Sinister ?
#1 Posted by fesak (6812 posts) - 2 years, 17 days ago - Show Bio

Yes she is, see Uncanny X-Men #431
Maybe Aoa Magneto wasn't aware of the fact, or maybe he just didn't care.

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#2 Posted by SC (9996 posts) - 2 years, 17 days ago - Show Bio

Its... complicated. Creatively they could go either way. Most official bios suggest she is, Marvel continuity cop/chief Tom Brevoort hasn't really given a hard answer IIRC. Last moment/reference by the characters as far as I know suggest she is, but by the same token, a lot of fans and writers seem to have different ideas with how things should progress, that also being said, they are due to come in contact soon, and I like Carey so I'll probably go with how he writes them. 

#3 Posted by xerox_kitty (15758 posts) - 2 years, 17 days ago - Show Bio

Having re-read Factor X this weekend, it's fresh in my mind :)

Back in 1995 when the Age of Apocalypse came out, the general consensus was that she wasn't Magneto's daughter. Therefore you end up with Dark Beast explaining to Havok, Northstar & Aurora that he'd already done DNA testing on Polaris to determine whether there were any familial connections to Magneto... and had already discovered that she wasn't related to him.

Just as an off-hand thought, it would also have created a few ethical problems with the all-ruling Comics Code Authority. Since Rogue had absorbed all of Polaris' memories & powers (instead of Ms Marvel's)... and who did Rogue go on to have a child with? Magneto. So the CCA would have rejected the vague insinuations at an incestuous relationship.

The problem is the ever changing creative teams. Uncanny X-Men #431 was released in 2003. It was part of Chuck Austen's era when he wrote stories that demonised Polaris in order to have a happy, stable & loving relationship between Havok & Nurse Annie Ghazikhanian (a character said to be based on the writer's own wife). Polaris was transformed into a man-eating, psychotic maniac who randomly attacked people, proposed marriage at the drop of a hat, bitched about ex-boyfriends and weirdly had a fetish for Gambit. What else could Chuck Austen do to destroy Polaris' former insecure but friendly personality...? He could genetically connect her to Magneto, the oldest & greatest enemy of the X-Men.

Seeing as how she's gone on to appear in Wolverine & The X-Men as the daughter of Magneto then you may as well accept her as the official youngest daughter of Magneto. The general public will know the cartoons better than the comics, and seeing as the role she played in that was as Magneto's little princess it pretty much cemented the idea of her inheriting her magnetism from him.

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#4 Posted by Ebbm (1118 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago - Show Bio

didn't Rogue have superstrength in AoA?? How could I have read that entire arc and not realize Rogue had Polaris's powers??

#5 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

Lol its complicated, from my understanding she was orginally brainwashed by Magneto to think she was his daughter, then it was proven that she wasn't later on and then I think House of M made her his daughter or something. I dunno it's just a colorful little plot device waiting to happen.
#6 Posted by EnSabahNurX (2272 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@Blood1991 said:

Lol its complicated, from my understanding she was orginally brainwashed by Magneto to think she was his daughter, then it was proven that she wasn't later on and then I think House of M made her his daughter or something. I dunno it's just a colorful little plot device waiting to happen.

But in x-men legacy recently everyone referred to her as magneto's daughter even polaris called him father

#7 Posted by fodigg (4600 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

I tend to ignore the confusing continuity and assume "adoptive daughter."

#8 Posted by xerox_kitty (15758 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@fodigg said:

I tend to ignore the confusing continuity and assume "adoptive daughter."

Polaris really has been retconned into officially being his daughter. I don't like it, but there's worse things in comics.

@Blood1991 said:

Lol its complicated, from my understanding she was orginally brainwashed by Magneto to think she was his daughter, then it was proven that she wasn't later on and then I think House of M made her his daughter or something. I dunno it's just a colorful little plot device waiting to happen.

The Magneto that 'kidnapped' Lorna Dane, convinced her that she was his daughter and artificially induced her mutant powers forcing her to become known as "M2"... wasn't actually Magneto. Mesmero was responsible for that.

We knew that Lorna was adopted. Since the 60's we've been led to believe that her real birth parents were killed in an aeroplane crash. There hasn't been much added on the subject, but there is a suggestion that Magneto may have "known" (in a biblical sense) Lorna's mother. It's one of those ongoing loose ends that have not really been tied-up satisfactorily.

I can't remember exactly when it was retconned. I think it was during Magneto's rule over Genosha. Maybe in the Magneto Rex mini series? But since she has been portrayed in a TV show as Magneto's daughter then it's safe to say that it wont be retconned back... She is his daughter.

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#9 Posted by GREGalicious (441 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

She is confirmed as his daughter but this was only discovered much later in both their lives so AoA MAGNETO probably never knew about her and as such had no reason to care what happened to her...

#10 Edited by jmc247 (104 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@xerox_kitty:

There were writers back in the early 90s that wanted to turn her former relationship with Magneto into a pivitol and volitile issue. From 1993 below.

But, any plans the writer had in X-Factor for it never made it to print. Then in 1998 in Mutant X we had 616 Havok fall into an AU universe next to ours where Lorna is Magneto's daughter. It was a 32 issue series and it set up what a Lorna and Magneto father/daughter relationship might look like. It also was a big part of the reason I suspect writers decided to bring Lorna to Genosha and start rebuilding or since it was retconned to be a robot, building their 616 relationship there in 1999-2000.

Then in 2002 Morrison decided for whatever reason to have Lorna call Magneto her dad on Genosha and Austen followed up on it by filling in the blanks before the story with the DnA test and the rest.

I suspect next month in X-Men Legacy we will get the offical 616 history of Lorna's mother from Magneto. Years ago we were given the House of M history of her.

#11 Posted by xerox_kitty (15758 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

Thanks for those panels. The House of M is especially what I was struggling to remember. Trust Austen to completely get it wrong and make it "official", but I guess something had to last from his awful run. Thankfully Lorna is no longer the pschotic babbling wannabe-tramp that he wrote her as. I guess it was an inevitable retcon. Personally I think it's a lame one, but I can still ive with it... as long as decent writers handle the subject. But with Lorna "returning" to X-Factor, I'd love the chance to see her work with Quicksilver again. I dount it's something we'll see ay time soon, but it'd be fun to see her working alongside her old-team mate as brother & sister ;)

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#12 Edited by jmc247 (104 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@xerox_kitty:

Well, she was repeately calling him her dad in Morrison's issue with her on Genosha even after her memories of the dead had left her mind and it was clear she knew what was going on and what Magneto had done with the memories of the Genoshan people. And, a few months earlier Austen picked Havok up from Mutant X where they were playing up Lorna's parentage big time in the final issue. Given he read Morrison's New X-Men 132 and the last issue of Mutant X below which Havok was in before he brought him to Uncanny he simply believed Marvel was going back to the plotline again (which at the time given the comics he was reading at the time with Polaris in them both 616 and Mutant X it wasn't a far fetched notion) and editoral didn't tell him differently so he furthered it during his run.

Though without Bendis and company furthering the story in House of M which was a massively popular storyline and lead to her being in WATXM the storyline might or might not have been retconned again we will never know. I happen to think Carey would have still furthered her parentage storyline when he picked her up from space, but it would be alot less popular with fans today.

As for Austen's depiction of Polaris, I actually thought he got power mad Lorna down quite well if one goes by a Claremontian view of it. Remember her powers were stuck on high non-stop on Genosha for many days if not weeks. It damaged her nervous system in a similar way to Magneto's nervous system gets damaged if he overuses his power. And, how does Magneto act when his nervous system gets damaged.... extreme mania with a large dose of megalomania which was pretty much how Lorna acted in 2003 and to a lesser extent 2004.

Think about Magneto's behavior when his nervous system is damaged and he is going on a power based insanity bender and then compare it to Lorna during the Austen era. Its like both of them are on methamphetamines and feel they can do anything and act however they want because they were superior to everyone else. And, its especially bad when they are powered up, they can at times pass for normal when they aren't powered up when they have a damaged nervous system, but they aren't.

Notice how once Xavier gets her to power down its like a 180 degree change in the character. Austen was very much following Claremont's view on why those using electromagnetism at too high a level become mentally unstable.

#13 Posted by xerox_kitty (15758 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@jmc247: I wish I could agree with you. It would certainly explain Lorna's behaviour during Austen's run. However, no other writer has picked up on that level of mental instability like that. As I see it, Austen did his best to demonise her character by transforming her into a mini-Magneto... purely to justify why Havok would suddenly fall in love with a woman he'd never met before (who just so happened to resemble Austen's wife). Cheap writing with cheap playground tactics.

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#14 Edited by jmc247 (104 posts) - 1 year, 7 months ago - Show Bio

@xerox_kitty:

Here is Austen responding to fan questions about his run years later.

Since I hear a lot of these questions over and over again, I thougt I’d just answer a few and be done with them. These things never get covered in interviews, so it seemed a good place to get this stuff out there because for some reason people want to know.

So here we go.

Justin asks: I really liked your work on Uncanny X-Men, especially with what you did with Polaris. You turned her from a character that was always in the background who I hardly ever noticed into one of my favorite characters and you managed to give her character a nice edge. One thing I was wondering is how the decision to make Polaris Magneto’s daughter again came down? Was that Morrison or your idea? Because, I know the storyline had its roots in Morrison’s New X-Men 132 back in September 2002.

I believe it was Grant’s. But the roots went much further back, though others can tell you specifically when and where, what issues, what the circumstances were, which page, what panels, what characters, the costumes they were wearing, who lettered it, and possibly even the type of printer it was printed on.

There was a storyline done years ago where she was ‘revealed’ to be Magneto’s daughter, but then it was undone, or proven not to be true, or only happened in one of Scarlet Witch’s continuity-scrubbing bubbles, or something. Maybe in the Neal Adams Roy Thomas run. I researched it at the time, but I’ve since forgotten. I needed to memorize someone’s phone number, and that’s the only brain space I had available.

Apparently Grant made a decision to go back to it, but I’m not sure whose actual idea it was: his, Marvel’s, or God’s acting through them both as a conduit—I assume his, because he was Grant Morrison, and he had the power, the power of Hoodoo—all I can tell you is that the germ of the idea wasn’t mine.

I had intended to use Polaris in my run from the beginning, keep her much as she’d been when I’d read about her in X-Factor and other places, then eventually marry her off to Alex, happily ever after—at least until some other writer came along and made them related to Satan. It was a surprise to me when she appeared in Grant’s X-Men—crazy, muttering to herself, and wandering in the radioactive mud. We’d just had coffee the previous day, and she seemed fine. Just shows how you can miss the little signs.

Once she’d appeared as Nutso Profundo I had to rewrite some of my scripts, and went with Lorna the edgier, more volatile and unpredictable Looney Tunes with a heart of gold. It made a certain amount of sense, and I agree with you, she became more interesting than she had been. CURSE YOU GRANT MORRISON AND YOUR GENIUS! He was always making me look bad for my lack of imagination. I think he did it on purpose.

If Lorna had been on Genosha when it was destroyed, that kind of devastation likley would have changed her, deeply, although I’m sure she still could have had kids, a marriage, and sold Tupperware in her spare time if only I had let her. I decided not to, because I’m a dick, that way.

So it wasn’t planned, it wasn’t actually my idea, but I ran with it and thought it was a good direction and an interesting one. And, tellingly, people both credit, and blame me for the change.

If you liked it, I did it. If not, it’s Grant’s fault.

See how easy that is?

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=195337

#15 Posted by xerox_kitty (15758 posts) - 1 year, 7 months ago - Show Bio

What's your point? That Austen blames another writer for the familial retcon? That he blames another writer for turning into a psychotic slut? There was no care of attention to anything like Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in his writing. Just reading his stories it's clear that all he wanted to do was demonise her in order for little Nurse Annie to sleep with Havok. It's simply bad bad writing. Even worse for him to blame other writers for it.

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#16 Posted by jmc247 (104 posts) - 1 year, 7 months ago - Show Bio

He thought and still thinks what he did with her was great, Polaris fans are divided on the issue online. Most weren't happy with the love triangle and didn't like how he depicted her to start with, but at the same time most also do like what he did with her in late 2003 and 2004.

Also, he isn't blaming Morrison he is simply stating the reality that after New X-Men 132 in 2002 where you litterly had Lorna for weeks in the ruins of Genosha recalling in her head the last memories of the people who died there (which takes the cake for horrors the character has been through by far) he felt he had to go back and rewrite his scripts for Lorna. Austen's origional plan was to bring her back, have her marry Havok and then dump her and Alex into limbo, but New X-Men 132 altered his course for the character.

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