Is there any way to "Nolanize" this character?

#1 Posted by vernierhawk001 (533 posts) - - Show Bio

If you were to give Poison Ivy a real-world treatment, how would you do it? What would stay and what would get tossed? Could she still control plants? Make them grow rapidly? Would she be a nerd or a femme fatale? How would you revamp her to work in the "real world"

#2 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

Make her an eco terrorist with no powers and an affinity for toxic gasses and play up her sociopathic seductress angle.

#3 Posted by russia599 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

I think she'd be a Eco-terrorist with no control over plant life, but maybe an immunity to toxins and doesn't use her pheromones to control men instead she uses her beatuy and seductiveness. She is not out to kill Batman he is merely a hinderance to her plot to punish those who destroy the environment and Bruce Wayne should e one of those men.

#4 Posted by SupBatz (1700 posts) - - Show Bio

She'd probably be, as mentioned above, just ano eco-terrorist who uses some plant toxins on occassion and wants to destroy people for destroying the environment.

But I don't think Ivy is really a character who should be Nolan-ized. She works best, in my opinion, when she has fantasy on her side.

Also, now that Nolan's Batman is done, isn't it about time that Batman stop being limited by the "realistic" rule and start existing in a world where at least some more fantastic villains may come to be?

#5 Posted by vernierhawk001 (533 posts) - - Show Bio

@russia599: @AtPhantom: Cool ideas. I was thinking of her as maybe like a PhD in botany and biotechology or something (maybe doctor turned eco-terrorist) who is researching venus fly traps and uses that somehow. So you wouldn't have rapidly growing plants but might have more aggressive species. Need to think further.

@SupBatz: Well, I guess that's a matter of opinion. I'm not saying strictly follow Nolan's "rules" but the relative realism of Batman is one of the things I like most about him. I say "relative" because clearly Lazarus pits and traveling through time aren't real but still. So sure, for those who don't like it....no worries. It's over! For those of us who do, I suppose we shall keep thinking

#6 Edited by Strider92 (16142 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably an eco-terrorist but the only thing i'd change is that at some point (perhaps the start of the movie) her and her terrorist group break into some bio-testing lab to blow it up but she ends up getting infected with some plant pathogen the company was designing (perhaps derived from genetically altered poison ivy?). She still keeps her human form (no green skin or plant control) but the pathogen she is infected with is contagious and passed on via physical contact not to mention is also killing her in the process. With only a year or so left to live Pamela kicks up her terrorism acts to get as much done as possible before the pathogen kills her. So uses her seductive side to seduce rich men responsible for funding the labs so she can infect them (one of them might be Wayne Industries). After she kisses him, Bruce then spends the rest of the movie slowly dying and not fighting at 100% as he tries to find the cure to the pathogen to save himself and everyone else Ivy has poisoned.

#7 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (5880 posts) - - Show Bio

@russia599:

That's a great idea!

#8 Posted by spartan177 (1499 posts) - - Show Bio

And played by Amy Adams.

#9 Posted by vernierhawk001 (533 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

Probably an eco-terrorist but the only thing i'd change is that at some point (perhaps the start of the movie) her and her terrorist group break into some bio-testing lab to blow it up but she ends up getting infected with some plant pathogen the company was designing (perhaps derived from genetically altered poison ivy?). She still keeps her human form (no green skin or plant control) but the pathogen she is infected with is contagious and passed on via physical contact not to mention is also killing her in the process. With only a year or so left to live Pamela kicks up her terrorism acts to get as much done as possible before the pathogen kills her. So uses her seductive side to seduce rich men responsible for funding the labs so she can infect them (one of them might be Wayne Industries). After she kisses him, Bruce then spends the rest of the movie slowly dying and not fighting at 100% as he tries to find the cure to the pathogen to save himself and everyone else Ivy has poisoned.

Lol....did you really just think of this on the fly?

#10 Edited by Strider92 (16142 posts) - - Show Bio

@vernierhawk001: Actually I did lol. I was quite impressed myself! My subconscious mind is obviously better than when I actually think stuff through....

#11 Posted by vernierhawk001 (533 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@vernierhawk001: Actually I did lol. I was quite impressed myself! My subconscious mind is obviously better than when I actually think stuff through....

Haha. Well I'm impressed. I don't really think about Ivy too much

#12 Posted by ChaosMarvel (991 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

Probably an eco-terrorist but the only thing i'd change is that at some point (perhaps the start of the movie) her and her terrorist group break into some bio-testing lab to blow it up but she ends up getting infected with some plant pathogen the company was designing (perhaps derived from genetically altered poison ivy?). She still keeps her human form (no green skin or plant control) but the pathogen she is infected with is contagious and passed on via physical contact not to mention is also killing her in the process. With only a year or so left to live Pamela kicks up her terrorism acts to get as much done as possible before the pathogen kills her. So uses her seductive side to seduce rich men responsible for funding the labs so she can infect them (one of them might be Wayne Industries). After she kisses him, Bruce then spends the rest of the movie slowly dying and not fighting at 100% as he tries to find the cure to the pathogen to save himself and everyone else Ivy has poisoned.

I love this!

#13 Posted by NlGHTCRAWLER (2898 posts) - - Show Bio

I like the grunge, ratty Poison Ivy with green veins, messed up hair and smeared mascara so I think her powers are a must. Or at least some form of them. Maybe her "gift" is that her blood is toxic, so she uses that against people. She cuts herself and dabs her blood on red roses she carries and stabs people with the thorns.

But that isn't very Nolan-y I guess, so I would also say eco-terrorist but with a twist though. She's actually working for some government agency and is undercover in order to get intel on said eco-terrorist group. Somewhere along the line she gets betrayed by the people she knows and the man she loves and is shot and dumped in the bay. She recovers and vows revenge against her agency which is centered in Gotham, so she goes berserk and destroys it's head quarters. She wouldn't be a main villain in the film, due to her role and goals in the comics, but she could be like two-face or Talia.

#14 Posted by russia599 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26: Thank you!

#15 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

definitely possible.

#16 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio

@AtPhantom said:

Make her an eco terrorist with no powers and an affinity for toxic gasses and play up her sociopathic seductress angle.

This

#17 Posted by vernierhawk001 (533 posts) - - Show Bio

@spartan177 said:

And played by Amy Adams.

Really?

#18 Posted by spartan177 (1499 posts) - - Show Bio

@vernierhawk001:

Yes, sir.

#19 Posted by vernierhawk001 (533 posts) - - Show Bio

@spartan177 said:

@vernierhawk001:

Yes, sir.

Interesting. Any reason in particular?

#20 Posted by hyperman (281 posts) - - Show Bio

@SupBatz said:

Also, now that Nolan's Batman is done, isn't it about time that Batman stop being limited by the "realistic" rule and start existing in a world where at least some more fantastic villains may come to be?

I TOTALLY AGREE!

#21 Edited by Guardiandevil83 (5344 posts) - - Show Bio

I grew up watching Gangster/Crime films with my mother, so I would probably keep her and the film within this realm. She would start out as a Brilliant Lab assistant at a competitor of Wayne Enterprises and the Mistress of Bruce Wayne's former childhood Friend Thomas Elliot. (Not being a Surgeon Here, but a Tycoon.) After his affair is broadcasted globally, Elliot turns on Pamela, telling the world that she seduced him in order to keep founding for her research with exotic plant life. He then stripped her of her credibility and funding, leaving her broke and homeless.

But Pamela is smart, and she had been prepared. Secretly creating a new species of plant, a strange flower that had some addictive properties. Extracting it's pollen, she converted it into a designer drug she called ''Poision Ivy". Black Mask would be introduced as a rival to Ivy and basically it would be Batman preventing a Gang War from destroying half a city. Levit's Charecter would be seen as a struggling cop, coping with an incredible secret. He would not be playing Batman, but he would use what resources the caves computer provides to break mid-level crimes and help the city. Becoming a hero and leader of an elite crime unit a step above Gotham Swat (which came about after Banes attack on the city) He like his mentor Gordon, lies constantly, and reaps the rewards. When the chao's of the brewing tension between Black Mask and Ivy comes to a head he's at his wits end. But Bruce would have kept his eye on ''Robins" progress, and returns when things get to hot.

#22 Posted by SupBatz (1700 posts) - - Show Bio

@hyperman said:

@SupBatz said:

Also, now that Nolan's Batman is done, isn't it about time that Batman stop being limited by the "realistic" rule and start existing in a world where at least some more fantastic villains may come to be?

I TOTALLY AGREE!

It's nice to know there's at least one other person around here who doesn't want the next films to be as realistic as Nolan's. Some of Batman's best stories and villains involve some sort of fantastic events or powers. It feels like everyone is completely wrapped up in Nolan's stories atm and want future films to be like his.

#23 Posted by hyperman (281 posts) - - Show Bio

@SupBatz: You've got the point! Batman was created to be a hero, living in a fantastic world, fighting against unrealistic villians, it is part of the charm and appeal of this character. if they try to turn him into something more realistic, they're trowing away a big part of essence.

#24 Posted by The Stegman (23162 posts) - - Show Bio

Make her an eco terrorist with no powers and an affinity for toxic gasses and play up her sociopathic seductress angle.

this
#25 Posted by SupBatz (1700 posts) - - Show Bio

@hyperman: Exactly. I mean, I definitely don't want a complete fantasy Batman but there needs to be a balance between realistic themes and some degree of fantasy.

#26 Posted by Brazen_Intellect (1144 posts) - - Show Bio

It can be done, but the plant based theme is hard to take seriously based on the tone of the other villains used so far.

#27 Posted by jointron33 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

bump. poison ivy sucks. sje doesnt deserve a movie

#28 Posted by vernierhawk001 (533 posts) - - Show Bio

@SupBatz said:

@hyperman said:

@SupBatz said:

Also, now that Nolan's Batman is done, isn't it about time that Batman stop being limited by the "realistic" rule and start existing in a world where at least some more fantastic villains may come to be?

I TOTALLY AGREE!

It's nice to know there's at least one other person around here who doesn't want the next films to be as realistic as Nolan's. Some of Batman's best stories and villains involve some sort of fantastic events or powers. It feels like everyone is completely wrapped up in Nolan's stories atm and want future films to be like his.

Well, obviously, I like the more realistic tone of Batman (for movies, anyway) I grew up watching TAS and the Clayface, Bane, Poison Ivy, Manbat episodes were all a part of that. So I guess I would say that I'd much rather see a "fantastical" Batman being animated where everything can be awesome instead of seeing it on the silver screen where it's kind of 50/50.

That being said, I wasn't trying to say the whole Batverse needs to be "Nolanized." I was just on the 'Vine one night, happened to see a Posion Ivy thread (who knew she had one!) and the question crossed my mind and intrigued me so I posted it. For once I actually wasn't trying to ruffle feathers on here :). Sorry if you guys were offended. Truce?

#29 Posted by vernierhawk001 (533 posts) - - Show Bio

@Guardiandevil83 said:

I grew up watching Gangster/Crime films with my mother, so I would probably keep her and the film within this realm. She would start out as a Brilliant Lab assistant at a competitor of Wayne Enterprises and the Mistress of Bruce Wayne's former childhood Friend Thomas Elliot. (Not being a Surgeon Here, but a Tycoon.) After his affair is broadcasted globally, Elliot turns on Pamela, telling the world that she seduced him in order to keep founding for her research with exotic plant life. He then stripped her of her credibility and funding, leaving her broke and homeless.

But Pamela is smart, and she had been prepared. Secretly creating a new species of plant, a strange flower that had some addictive properties. Extracting it's pollen, she converted it into a designer drug she called ''Poision Ivy". Black Mask would be introduced as a rival to Ivy and basically it would be Batman preventing a Gang War from destroying half a city. Levit's Charecter would be seen as a struggling cop, coping with an incredible secret. He would not be playing Batman, but he would use what resources the caves computer provides to break mid-level crimes and helping the city. Becoming a hero and leader of an elite crime unit a step above Gotham Swat (which came about after Banes attack on the city) He like his mentor Gordon, lies constantly, and reaps the awards. When the chao's of the brewing tension between Black Mask and Ivy comes to a head he's at his wits end. But Bruce would have kept his eye on ''Robins" progress, and returns when things get to hot.

Wow! Sounds like someone needs to call up DC. lol. Seems like you put a lot of thought into this.

#30 Posted by SupBatz (1700 posts) - - Show Bio

@vernierhawk001 said:

@SupBatz said:

@hyperman said:

@SupBatz said:

Also, now that Nolan's Batman is done, isn't it about time that Batman stop being limited by the "realistic" rule and start existing in a world where at least some more fantastic villains may come to be?

I TOTALLY AGREE!

It's nice to know there's at least one other person around here who doesn't want the next films to be as realistic as Nolan's. Some of Batman's best stories and villains involve some sort of fantastic events or powers. It feels like everyone is completely wrapped up in Nolan's stories atm and want future films to be like his.

Well, obviously, I like the more realistic tone of Batman (for movies, anyway) I grew up watching TAS and the Clayface, Bane, Poison Ivy, Manbat episodes were all a part of that. So I guess I would say that I'd much rather see a "fantastical" Batman being animated where everything can be awesome instead of seeing it on the silver screen where it's kind of 50/50.

That being said, I wasn't trying to say the whole Batverse needs to be "Nolanized." I was just on the 'Vine one night, happened to see a Posion Ivy thread (who knew she had one!) and the question crossed my mind and intrigued me so I posted it. For once I actually wasn't trying to ruffle feathers on here :). Sorry if you guys were offended. Truce?

I didn't mean to offend you or call you out or anything lol. You asked a perfectly fair and interesting question. I just added my two cents there as a footnote expressing my hopes for the next film. No feathers ruffled here lol.

And if Ivy were ever to be "Nolanized", I think @Guardiandevil83 was pretty spot on with an awesome way to do it.

#31 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (5344 posts) - - Show Bio

@vernierhawk001 said:

@Guardiandevil83 said:

I grew up watching Gangster/Crime films with my mother, so I would probably keep her and the film within this realm. She would start out as a Brilliant Lab assistant at a competitor of Wayne Enterprises and the Mistress of Bruce Wayne's former childhood Friend Thomas Elliot. (Not being a Surgeon Here, but a Tycoon.) After his affair is broadcasted globally, Elliot turns on Pamela, telling the world that she seduced him in order to keep founding for her research with exotic plant life. He then stripped her of her credibility and funding, leaving her broke and homeless.

But Pamela is smart, and she had been prepared. Secretly creating a new species of plant, a strange flower that had some addictive properties. Extracting it's pollen, she converted it into a designer drug she called ''Poision Ivy". Black Mask would be introduced as a rival to Ivy and basically it would be Batman preventing a Gang War from destroying half a city. Levit's Charecter would be seen as a struggling cop, coping with an incredible secret. He would not be playing Batman, but he would use what resources the caves computer provides to break mid-level crimes and helping the city. Becoming a hero and leader of an elite crime unit a step above Gotham Swat (which came about after Banes attack on the city) He like his mentor Gordon, lies constantly, and reaps the awards. When the chao's of the brewing tension between Black Mask and Ivy comes to a head he's at his wits end. But Bruce would have kept his eye on ''Robins" progress, and returns when things get to hot.

Wow! Sounds like someone needs to call up DC. lol. Seems like you put a lot of thought into this.

Aww thanks. I was actually a little subconcious about really writting anything at all. lol

#32 Posted by vernierhawk001 (533 posts) - - Show Bio

@Guardiandevil83 said:

@vernierhawk001 said:

@Guardiandevil83 said:

I grew up watching Gangster/Crime films with my mother, so I would probably keep her and the film within this realm. She would start out as a Brilliant Lab assistant at a competitor of Wayne Enterprises and the Mistress of Bruce Wayne's former childhood Friend Thomas Elliot. (Not being a Surgeon Here, but a Tycoon.) After his affair is broadcasted globally, Elliot turns on Pamela, telling the world that she seduced him in order to keep founding for her research with exotic plant life. He then stripped her of her credibility and funding, leaving her broke and homeless.

But Pamela is smart, and she had been prepared. Secretly creating a new species of plant, a strange flower that had some addictive properties. Extracting it's pollen, she converted it into a designer drug she called ''Poision Ivy". Black Mask would be introduced as a rival to Ivy and basically it would be Batman preventing a Gang War from destroying half a city. Levit's Charecter would be seen as a struggling cop, coping with an incredible secret. He would not be playing Batman, but he would use what resources the caves computer provides to break mid-level crimes and helping the city. Becoming a hero and leader of an elite crime unit a step above Gotham Swat (which came about after Banes attack on the city) He like his mentor Gordon, lies constantly, and reaps the awards. When the chao's of the brewing tension between Black Mask and Ivy comes to a head he's at his wits end. But Bruce would have kept his eye on ''Robins" progress, and returns when things get to hot.

Wow! Sounds like someone needs to call up DC. lol. Seems like you put a lot of thought into this.

Aww thanks. I was actually a little subconcious about really writting anything at all. lol

DO you write fanfic? If so, you should consider doing this story, imo

#33 Posted by vernierhawk001 (533 posts) - - Show Bio

@SupBatz said:

@vernierhawk001 said:

@SupBatz said:

@hyperman said:

@SupBatz said:

Also, now that Nolan's Batman is done, isn't it about time that Batman stop being limited by the "realistic" rule and start existing in a world where at least some more fantastic villains may come to be?

I TOTALLY AGREE!

It's nice to know there's at least one other person around here who doesn't want the next films to be as realistic as Nolan's. Some of Batman's best stories and villains involve some sort of fantastic events or powers. It feels like everyone is completely wrapped up in Nolan's stories atm and want future films to be like his.

Well, obviously, I like the more realistic tone of Batman (for movies, anyway) I grew up watching TAS and the Clayface, Bane, Poison Ivy, Manbat episodes were all a part of that. So I guess I would say that I'd much rather see a "fantastical" Batman being animated where everything can be awesome instead of seeing it on the silver screen where it's kind of 50/50.

That being said, I wasn't trying to say the whole Batverse needs to be "Nolanized." I was just on the 'Vine one night, happened to see a Posion Ivy thread (who knew she had one!) and the question crossed my mind and intrigued me so I posted it. For once I actually wasn't trying to ruffle feathers on here :). Sorry if you guys were offended. Truce?

I didn't mean to offend you or call you out or anything lol. You asked a perfectly fair and interesting question. I just added my two cents there as a footnote expressing my hopes for the next film. No feathers ruffled here lol.

And if Ivy were ever to be "Nolanized", I think @Guardiandevil83 was pretty spot on with an awesome way to do it.

Awesome. So the truce holds!

Oh man...and, just to clarify, I wasn't saying that I though Ivy should be in the next movie. In fact, I hope they leave Nolan's world alone and start anew,if they are going to reboot. I think that, when starting this post, I just wanted to see what ideas people would have for a "reimagining" of Poison Ivy in a more realistic setting. At least, that's what I'm going with now :)

#34 Posted by TeamUnitedNerds (402 posts) - - Show Bio

Sadly, without her powers, she isn't much of an interesting character. Also, she wouldn't fit into the Nolanverse at all, thematically.

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