Is Poison Ivy Sexist and an Anti-Humanist?

#1 Posted by Bopper Girl (189 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know if poison ivy has a thing against all men or all humans with the exception of harley for that matter, But I'm just curious. 
And what about animals?

#2 Posted by RazzaTazz (8968 posts) - - Show Bio

I think she has some trust issues with men, but she does not hate them outright.  I think she sees men as some of the main perpeatrators of crimes against the environment.  I am not sure about the animals, at least how it is portrayed in comics, but in real life I can't see how she would have anything against them.  After all an animal like a bee is of paramount importance to the lives of many plants (for pollination) 
#3 Posted by Vogelscheuche (13 posts) - - Show Bio
@Bopper Girl

It's not sexism if it's against men! 

/sarcasm

#4 Edited by Edamame (28375 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know if Poison Ivy is truly sexist (It depends how you define the term.), but she seems to enjoy controlling many of the men that she met (particular their emotions). For example, she doesn't appear to be a staunch misandrist. 
She does, however, appear to have misanthropic convictions, and she doesn't approve of the way most human beings "treat" plants, Mother Nature, etc.
It's also possible that she suffers from Paranoid Personality Disorder, as she has a general mistrust of people. She often isolates herself from other people as well. Nevertheless, she has harbored some sympathetic feelings towards Harley Quinn most likely because she views Harley as a victim of the Joker's (a male's) dominance. 

#5 Edited by cattlebattle (13347 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't she just a nature loving sociopath??

#6 Edited by Edamame (28375 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, sociopaths tend to also lack conscience, and Poison Ivy has shown exhibited conscience in the past. However, the other symptoms of sociopathy, notably antisocial behavior and attitude, certainly do characterize her.

#7 Edited by CATPANEXE (9357 posts) - - Show Bio

She doesn't fully consider herself human in any case, and states in Sirens that Harley is the only human she ever thought of as a friend.
* notably if she is a speciest/anti-humanist, which I can't make a strong case against, that cancels out her being a sexist as her being would
have to apply to plants which she considers herself.

#8 Posted by Bopper Girl (189 posts) - - Show Bio

So give me a good reason why I should like her.

#9 Edited by RainEffect (3240 posts) - - Show Bio
@Bopper Girl said:

So give me a good reason why I should like her.

She's not designed to be liked per se, as she was originally created as a villain. What makes her appealing is that she isn't a stereotypical villain; she's just an environmental extremist. If you read Gotham City Sirens, you'll get a much better outlook into why she does what she does. I think she is a great example of a strong and independent female character. Sure, she's got stereotypical sex appeal, but she uses it to her advantage (and as a weapon, of sorts).
 
As for her opinion of men. She was used by Jason Woodrue, so she believes that all men are basically like him. She believes that all men are just selfish, egocentric power-lovers. The only man she's ever met who hasn't been that is, predictably, Batman. That's why she was so originally infatuated with him, as she: a) could not believe that he resisted her influence, b) was selfless and had no underlying narcissistic motives.
#10 Edited by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (6269 posts) - - Show Bio

Anti Humanist: Probably not. Yes, she seems angry at humanity, but she doesn;t want to flat out destory it. Instead, she wants to create a world where plants and humans can live together in harmony.

Sexist: No to that too. She had a loving boyfriend in college who loved her for who she was. And then, of course, there are the male orphans.

Big Ivy fan by the way.

#11 Posted by GREGalicious (492 posts) - - Show Bio

IVY's definitely anti-humanist. She would sacrifice a human (except for HARLEY) in the blink of an eye to save a plant. I dont think shes sexist tho.

#12 Posted by TeamUnitedNerds (402 posts) - - Show Bio

@Bopper Girl

said:

So give me a good reason why I should like her.

She's not designed to be

liked

per se, as she was originally created as a villain. What makes her appealing is that she isn't a stereotypical villain; she's just an environmental extremist. If you read Gotham City Sirens, you'll get a much better outlook into why she does what she does. I think she is a great example of a strong and independent female character. Sure, she's got stereotypical sex appeal, but she uses it to her advantage (and as a weapon, of sorts).

As for her opinion of men. She was used by Jason Woodrue, so she believes that all men are basically like him. She believes that all men are just selfish, egocentric power-lovers. The only man she's ever met who

hasn't

been that is, predictably, Batman. That's why she was so originally infatuated with him, as she: a) could not believe that he resisted her influence, b) was selfless and had no underlying narcissistic motives.

Right, strong independent woman hate men. Yeah, go get yourself some less shitty opinions, alright buddy?

#13 Posted by Regal_Rumble_Man (874 posts) - - Show Bio

The word is misantrophist here

#14 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13626 posts) - - Show Bio

Anti Humanist: Probably not. Yes, she seems angry at humanity, but she doesn;t want to flat out destory it. Instead, she wants to create a world where plants and humans can live together in harmony.

Sexist: No to that too. She had a loving boyfriend in college who loved her for who she was. And then, of course, there are the male orphans.

this doesnt really rule it out. college was a very long time ago. she's changed alot since then and i know racists who have loved minorities and sexists who have loved the other sex. racism and sexism are more bout bias than hate.

Big Ivy fan by the way.

yeah. we couldn't tell.what with it in your username and all.

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#15 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13626 posts) - - Show Bio

@raineffect said:

@Bopper Girl

said:

So give me a good reason why I should like her.

She's not designed to be

liked

per se, as she was originally created as a villain. What makes her appealing is that she isn't a stereotypical villain; she's just an environmental extremist. If you read Gotham City Sirens, you'll get a much better outlook into why she does what she does. I think she is a great example of a strong and independent female character. Sure, she's got stereotypical sex appeal, but she uses it to her advantage (and as a weapon, of sorts).

As for her opinion of men. She was used by Jason Woodrue, so she believes that all men are basically like him. She believes that all men are just selfish, egocentric power-lovers. The only man she's ever met who

hasn't

been that is, predictably, Batman. That's why she was so originally infatuated with him, as she: a) could not believe that he resisted her influence, b) was selfless and had no underlying narcissistic motives.

Right, strong independent woman hate men. Yeah, go get yourself some less shitty opinions, alright buddy?

where did you get that?

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