Who can beat:
Pheonix
Dark pheonix
white crown pheonix
Phoenix Force
Character » Phoenix Force appears in 1615 issues.
A powerful cosmic entity, an immortal being representing the Life-Death-Rebirth cycle, all current and future life, and is the nexus of all psychic energy ever to have existed, to exist or will exist. It has, at times, chosen a host to live within, granting the vessel nigh-omnipotent power. It has the power to create or destroy anything, or everything. The Phoenix has had various hosts, but the most well known and frequent host is the mortal mutant Jean Grey.
Who can beat pheonix.
The writers /threadWell that's the only real answer really.
I'm also guessing a powerful reality manipulator could take on Phoenix and Dark Phoenix.
Also a combination of individuals (Exiles #3 and #4, if I'm not mistaken) if they go at her at a little while after awakening.
@Donnieman v5.1 said:Phoenix/Dark Phoenix are immune to reality warping.The writers /threadWell that's the only real answer really. I'm also guessing a powerful reality manipulator could take on Phoenix and Dark Phoenix. Also a combination of individuals (Exiles #3 and #4, if I'm not mistaken) if they go at her at a little while after awakening.
Thou I am going to assume you mean the energy - then yes I think you might be correct. But the host - I'm not so sure about that.
My answer though is Arceus, Jigglypuff or Slowpoke.
@EmmaGrace: Technically, scientifically, creatively speaking you can't actually be immune to reality warping. Resistant, but not immune. Arguably a character can be immune to a weak characters reality warping but that is something very different. *nods affirmatively* *smile* My answer though is Arceus, Jigglypuff or Slowpoke.PF was stated to be omnipotent, pretty sure reality warping would have no affect on it. Not entirely positive, but it doesn't really make sense that it would.
@SC said:
@EmmaGrace: Technically, scientifically, creatively speaking you can't actually be immune to reality warping. Resistant, but not immune. Arguably a character can be immune to a weak characters reality warping but that is something very different. *nods affirmatively* *smile* My answer though is Arceus, Jigglypuff or Slowpoke.PF was stated to be omnipotent, pretty sure reality warping would have no affect on it. Not entirely positive, but it doesn't really make sense that it would.
Stated by who? Its a relative term. PF is not the TOAA. So which character is all powerful? I am not pretty sure, I know for fact, reality warping could affect PF, in fact it has before. Reality warping is relative. Reality is subjective. So effectively it means there are thresholds yes? Scarlet Witch at her weakest for example? Reality warper, won't likely be able to reality warp an abstract? True, but Living Tribunal or TOAA or Beyonder? Different story. So its not the effect, its the power behind the effect. Sort of how Juggernaut is virtually immune to physical force? Emphasis on virtually, but that doesn't mean Living Tribunal of PF can't physically injure him? Since there power is sufficient to use a means? (Physical punch, or reality warping) to impose change on another.
So its sort of like saying that PF is immune to being punched. I mean... 99% of all characters punches will have zero effect but character can still be effected. Just depends on the power behind it. *nods* Objectively it makes more sense that it can be affected. It makes no sense if the character can't, because reality warping is an action. Which means relative. Which means no absolute immunities. (unless perhaps creatively a writer wanted that, but thats TOAA's role) ((hope I am not coming across too snarky, but I am a words fan yes? lol *smile*)
Parallax, ION, The Spectre, Living Tribunal, The Presence, The One Above All, Divine Spawn,Nekron(maybe),Death(Both Marvel and DC versions),Beyonder,Goblin Force
@EmmaGrace: Technically, scientifically, creatively speaking you can't actually be immune to reality warping. Resistant, but not immune. Arguably a character can be immune to a weak characters reality warping but that is something very different. *nods affirmatively* *smile* My answer though is Arceus, Jigglypuff or Slowpoke.Ahahah, where's the live for Venonat. He may be small and purple, but his cute factor would "blow" Phoenix away!
@SC: Is PF omnipresent? If so then regardless of RW it will still be present and unaffected. But I agree with you that a higher power such as TOAA would be able to surpass that, but besides him there are too many characters that could do that. Some, but not many.
Relatively so. Relatively no. Its hard because PF is a fictional character and writers who get to decide literally get to write a character as being able to do stuff that can circumvent real life logic/reality. With my discretion I would say no, PF is not omnipresent, because it would have to be everything and this the name PF loses all meaning yes? PF would be as much Living Tribunal and Marrow and Spider-man. We know realities where PF has fallen/been affected. I agree with your later statements. Sorry I was being semantic but that is the paradox of such words as omnipotent and omnipresent. Usually its just relative and thus flawed) instead of absolute and accurate.
@Hawkeye446 said:What the hell is a Wiccaflew.. I think you just made that up, shifty eyes.Ahahah, where's the live for Venonat. He may be small and purple, but his cute factor would "blow" Phoenix away!I HATE VENOMAT, he killed my Wiccaflew. Uhm...
@EmmaGrace said:That about sums it up. Comic ideas are flawed enough, but bring in the relativity of RW and it's tough to make sense of it all.@SC: Is PF omnipresent? If so then regardless of RW it will still be present and unaffected. But I agree with you that a higher power such as TOAA would be able to surpass that, but besides him there are too many characters that could do that. Some, but not many.Relatively so. Relatively no. Its hard because PF is a fictional character and writers who get to decide literally get to write a character as being able to do stuff that can circumvent real life logic/reality. With my discretion I would say no, PF is not omnipresent, because it would have to be everything and this the name PF loses all meaning yes? PF would be as much Living Tribunal and Marrow and Spider-man. We know realities where PF has fallen/been affected. I agree with your later statements. Sorry I was being semantic but that is the paradox of such words as omnipotent and omnipresent. Usually its just relative and thus flawed) instead of absolute and accurate.
And in terms of Pokemon, Pikachu and Eevee <3
@Hawkeye446: What.. no... Wiccaflew use... Caflew flame slam... on... Hawkeye... erm...And Hawkeye shoots it in the face! KO?
@EmmaGrace said:
@SC: Every thread is a thread about Pokemon deep down. I haven't played in forever... Black and White is a Pokemon abomination.Lol, it was pretty bad, but I bought and played it nonetheless!
White Crown Phoenix is pretty much invincible.Ha ha. Nice joke. I could name a dozen people who could beat her:
Molecule Ma
One above all
Living Tribunal
Mad jim jasper
the presence
the spectre
the beyonder.
And thats just white crown. There is plenty more.
it looks like time and relevance were the truest enemy of the phoenix
now the only ones still hanging on are Jean Grey faboys and X-Men TAS loyalists
even Scott moved on!
@Jnr6Lil said:Eternity?White Crown Phoenix is pretty much invincible.Ha ha. Nice joke. I could name a dozen people who could beat her: Molecule Ma One above all Living Tribunal Mad jim jasper the presence the spectre the beyonder. And thats just white crown. There is plenty more.
@Petey_is_Spidey said:Yeah, he probably has a chance. Oh and sorry about molecule ma. *molecule man@Jnr6Lil said:Eternity?White Crown Phoenix is pretty much invincible.Ha ha. Nice joke. I could name a dozen people who could beat her: Molecule Ma One above all Living Tribunal Mad jim jasper the presence the spectre the beyonder. And thats just white crown. There is plenty more.
The answer is simple SUPERMEGAALTRAAWESOMNESSPLANETBUSTERSPEEDFOARCEGALIKKAMEAWAVEPOKEMONSUPERUNSTOPPABLE gun can kill her
@Shadowdoggy:
yeah it seems rejection is the bullets that go in the aformentioned wepon who figured
so many people that this thread needs to be locked, the easiest answer is TOAA(not the celstial), who is the strongest character in marvel.
PS: this should be in the battle section, not in Gen
i've seen others beat, phoenix. for example apocalypse, Nate Grey back in his old form could easily match phoenix. anybody who wields the infinity gauntlet or any of the infinity gems could win. The living Tribunal and any other godlike characters could for sure take on phoenix ( eternity, celestial's etc.)
alien entity and james badrock(i heard he wraped the white hot room), myrlin , captain britain with excaliber, 616 mad jim jaspers
616 infinity gantlet, the beyonders, the living tribunal, anyone with full star brand power, house of m scarlet witch ......................
and of course batman
The Goblin Force ,Le Bete Noir or the Celestials . I heard somewhere that the Phoenix is more powerful than Eternity don't know if that is true?
ok lebete noir and goblin force only fought a uinvere level phoenix . and goblin force did a surprrse attack. the dakr and grene pheonix dpdends at what point
also white phoenix has yet to so her limits. and probly has none . she may even rival the lt if not surpass him.as for mm. i say he can beat all but whute phoenix. cause whitep hoenix is by far the storngestt phoenix shown . and also is should be noted that phoenix has been able to be resistant ot relaity warping. also phoenix force can relaity warp. and she can defeat ht celestials and eenterirty.you see white phoenixes domain exist beyond time and space and reality.
@thesuperman: just stop!
@petey_is_spidey: Full powered Spectre!
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