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    Character » Phoenix Force appears in 1615 issues.

    A powerful cosmic entity, an immortal being representing the Life-Death-Rebirth cycle, all current and future life, and is the nexus of all psychic energy ever to have existed, to exist or will exist. It has, at times, chosen a host to live within, granting the vessel nigh-omnipotent power. It has the power to create or destroy anything, or everything. The Phoenix has had various hosts, but the most well known and frequent host is the mortal mutant Jean Grey.

    Who can beat pheonix.

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    #1  Edited By Petey_is_Spidey

    Who can beat: 
     
    Pheonix 
     
    Dark pheonix  
     
    white crown pheonix

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    #2  Edited By thesuperman

    superman

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    #3  Edited By Donnieman v5.1

    The writers 

    /thread

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    #4  Edited By Jnr6Lil

    White Crown Phoenix is pretty much invincible.

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    #5  Edited By EmmaGrace
    @thesuperman said:
    superman  
    Most definitely not.
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    #6  Edited By TheRealJeanGrey

     
    NO ONE!!!

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    #7  Edited By Queen's Halo
    @Donnieman v5.1 said:
    The writers /thread
    Well that's the only real answer really.
     
    I'm also guessing a powerful reality manipulator could take on Phoenix and Dark Phoenix. 
     
    Also a combination of individuals (Exiles #3 and #4, if I'm not mistaken) if they go at her at a little while after awakening.
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    #8  Edited By EmmaGrace
    @Queen's Halo said:
    @Donnieman v5.1 said:
    The writers /thread
    Well that's the only real answer really.  I'm also guessing a powerful reality manipulator could take on Phoenix and Dark Phoenix.   Also a combination of individuals (Exiles #3 and #4, if I'm not mistaken) if they go at her at a little while after awakening.
    Phoenix/Dark Phoenix are immune to reality warping. 
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    #9  Edited By Omegalpha
    @Donnieman v5.1: DOT
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    #10  Edited By Queen's Halo
    @EmmaGrace: If you say so. I don't remember reading about it but whatever.
     
    Thou I am going to assume  you mean the energy - then yes I think you might be correct. But the host - I'm not so sure about that.
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    #11  Edited By EmmaGrace
    @Queen's Halo: Well the host is just a body, unless that body has a reality warping immunity property, but the PF is an entity above reality warping.
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    #12  Edited By SC  Moderator
    @EmmaGrace:  Technically, scientifically, creatively speaking you can't actually be immune to reality warping. Resistant, but not immune. Arguably a character can be immune to a weak characters reality warping but that is something very different. *nods affirmatively* *smile*
     
     
     
     
    My answer though is Arceus, Jigglypuff or Slowpoke. 
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    #13  Edited By EmmaGrace
    @SC said:
    @EmmaGrace:  Technically, scientifically, creatively speaking you can't actually be immune to reality warping. Resistant, but not immune. Arguably a character can be immune to a weak characters reality warping but that is something very different. *nods affirmatively* *smile*    My answer though is Arceus, Jigglypuff or Slowpoke. 
    PF was stated to be omnipotent, pretty sure reality warping would have no affect on it. Not entirely positive, but it doesn't really make sense that it would.
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    #14  Edited By SC  Moderator
    @EmmaGrace said:

    @SC said:

    @EmmaGrace:  Technically, scientifically, creatively speaking you can't actually be immune to reality warping. Resistant, but not immune. Arguably a character can be immune to a weak characters reality warping but that is something very different. *nods affirmatively* *smile*    My answer though is Arceus, Jigglypuff or Slowpoke. 
    PF was stated to be omnipotent, pretty sure reality warping would have no affect on it. Not entirely positive, but it doesn't really make sense that it would.
     
    Stated by who? Its a relative term. PF is not the TOAA. So which character is all powerful? I am not pretty sure, I know for fact, reality warping could affect PF, in fact it has before. Reality warping is relative. Reality is subjective. So effectively it means there are thresholds yes? Scarlet Witch at her weakest for example? Reality warper, won't likely be able to reality warp an abstract? True, but Living Tribunal or TOAA or Beyonder? Different story. So its not the effect, its the power behind the effect. Sort of how Juggernaut is virtually immune to physical force? Emphasis on virtually, but that doesn't mean Living Tribunal of PF can't physically injure him? Since there power is sufficient to use a means? (Physical punch, or reality warping) to impose change on another.  
     
    So its sort of like saying that PF is immune to being punched. I mean... 99% of all characters punches will have zero effect but character can still be effected. Just depends on the power behind it. *nods* Objectively it makes more sense that it can be affected. It makes no sense if the character can't, because reality warping is an action. Which means relative. Which means no absolute immunities. (unless perhaps creatively a writer wanted that, but thats TOAA's role) ((hope I am not coming across too snarky, but I am a words fan yes? lol *smile*)
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    Parallax, ION, The Spectre, Living Tribunal, The Presence, The One Above All, Divine Spawn,Nekron(maybe),Death(Both Marvel and DC versions),Beyonder,Goblin Force
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    #16  Edited By EmmaGrace
    @SC: Is PF omnipresent? If so then regardless of RW it will still be present and unaffected. But I agree with you that a higher power such as TOAA would be able to surpass that, but besides him there are too many characters that could do that. Some, but not many.  
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    #17  Edited By Hawkeye446
    @SC said:
    @EmmaGrace:  Technically, scientifically, creatively speaking you can't actually be immune to reality warping. Resistant, but not immune. Arguably a character can be immune to a weak characters reality warping but that is something very different. *nods affirmatively* *smile*    My answer though is Arceus, Jigglypuff or Slowpoke. 
    Ahahah, where's the live for Venonat. He may be small and purple, but his cute factor would "blow" Phoenix away!
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    #18  Edited By SC  Moderator
    @EmmaGrace said:
    @SC: Is PF omnipresent? If so then regardless of RW it will still be present and unaffected. But I agree with you that a higher power such as TOAA would be able to surpass that, but besides him there are too many characters that could do that. Some, but not many.  
     
    Relatively so. Relatively no. Its hard because PF is a fictional character and writers who get to decide literally get to write a character as being able to do stuff that can circumvent real life logic/reality. With my discretion I would say no, PF is not omnipresent, because it would have to be everything and this the name PF loses all meaning yes? PF would be as much Living Tribunal and Marrow and Spider-man. We know realities where PF has fallen/been affected. I agree with your later statements. Sorry I was being semantic but that is the paradox of such words as omnipotent and omnipresent. Usually its just relative and thus flawed) instead of absolute and accurate. 
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    #19  Edited By SC  Moderator
    @Hawkeye446 said:
    Ahahah, where's the live for Venonat. He may be small and purple, but his cute factor would "blow" Phoenix away!
     
     
    I HATE VENOMAT, he killed my Wiccaflew. Uhm... 
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    #20  Edited By Hawkeye446
    @SC said:
    @Hawkeye446 said:
    Ahahah, where's the live for Venonat. He may be small and purple, but his cute factor would "blow" Phoenix away!
      I HATE VENOMAT, he killed my Wiccaflew. Uhm... 
    What the hell is a Wiccaflew.. I think you just made that up, shifty eyes.
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    #21  Edited By EmmaGrace
    @SC said:
    @EmmaGrace said:
    @SC: Is PF omnipresent? If so then regardless of RW it will still be present and unaffected. But I agree with you that a higher power such as TOAA would be able to surpass that, but besides him there are too many characters that could do that. Some, but not many.  
     Relatively so. Relatively no. Its hard because PF is a fictional character and writers who get to decide literally get to write a character as being able to do stuff that can circumvent real life logic/reality. With my discretion I would say no, PF is not omnipresent, because it would have to be everything and this the name PF loses all meaning yes? PF would be as much Living Tribunal and Marrow and Spider-man. We know realities where PF has fallen/been affected. I agree with your later statements. Sorry I was being semantic but that is the paradox of such words as omnipotent and omnipresent. Usually its just relative and thus flawed) instead of absolute and accurate. 
    That about sums it up. Comic ideas are flawed enough, but bring in the relativity of RW and it's tough to make sense of it all.
     
    And in terms of Pokemon, Pikachu and Eevee <3
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    #22  Edited By SC  Moderator
    @Hawkeye446:  What.. no... Wiccaflew use... Caflew flame slam... on... Hawkeye... erm... 
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    #23  Edited By SC  Moderator
    @EmmaGrace said:
     And in terms of Pokemon, Pikachu and Eevee <3
     
     
    Eevee!!!!!!!!!!!  
     
    Love how this has turned into a thread about Pokemon lol
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    #24  Edited By EmmaGrace
    @SC: Every thread is a thread about Pokemon deep down. I haven't played in forever... Black and White is a Pokemon abomination. 
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    #25  Edited By Hawkeye446
    @SC said:
    @Hawkeye446:  What.. no... Wiccaflew use... Caflew flame slam... on... Hawkeye... erm... 
    And Hawkeye shoots it in the face! KO? 
     
    @EmmaGrace said:
    @SC: Every thread is a thread about Pokemon deep down. I haven't played in forever... Black and White is a Pokemon abomination. 
    Lol, it was pretty bad, but I bought and played it nonetheless! 
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    #26  Edited By moywar700

    Jean Grey's daughter 
     
    Rachel summer with the phoniex

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    #27  Edited By FadeToBlackBolt

    WOLVERINE. 

     
     
    At least according to X-3.  
     
    Muahahaha. 
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    #28  Edited By Billy Batson

    Silver Age Superman 

    Batman 

    Zoom 

    John Constantine 

     

    BB

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    #29  Edited By Petey_is_Spidey
    @Jnr6Lil said:
    White Crown Phoenix is pretty much invincible.
    Ha ha. Nice joke. I could name a dozen people who could beat her: 
     
    Molecule Ma 
    One above all 
    Living Tribunal  
    Mad jim jasper 
    the presence 
    the spectre 
    the beyonder. 
     
    And thats just white crown. There is plenty more.
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    #30  Edited By Shadowdoggy

    it looks like time and relevance were the truest enemy of the phoenix 
    now the only ones still hanging on are Jean Grey faboys and X-Men TAS loyalists 
    even Scott moved on!
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    #31  Edited By Jnr6Lil
    @Petey_is_Spidey said:
    @Jnr6Lil said:
    White Crown Phoenix is pretty much invincible.
    Ha ha. Nice joke. I could name a dozen people who could beat her:  Molecule Ma One above all Living Tribunal  Mad jim jasper the presence the spectre the beyonder.  And thats just white crown. There is plenty more.
    Eternity?
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    #32  Edited By Petey_is_Spidey
    @Jnr6Lil said:
    @Petey_is_Spidey said:
    @Jnr6Lil said:
    White Crown Phoenix is pretty much invincible.
    Ha ha. Nice joke. I could name a dozen people who could beat her:  Molecule Ma One above all Living Tribunal  Mad jim jasper the presence the spectre the beyonder.  And thats just white crown. There is plenty more.
    Eternity?
    Yeah, he probably has a chance. Oh and sorry about molecule ma. *molecule man
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    #33  Edited By BatteredArmor
     
    The answer is simple SUPERMEGAALTRAAWESOMNESSPLANETBUSTERSPEEDFOARCEGALIKKAMEAWAVEPOKEMONSUPERUNSTOPPABLE gun can kill her
     
    @Shadowdoggy

    yeah it seems rejection is the bullets that go in the aformentioned wepon who figured
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    #34  Edited By Timandm

    Talk to Doomsday fanboys and they'll tell you Doomsday can beat the Pheonix because he's FREAKING DOOMSDAY dammit!!!!  LOL!  No, I'm not exaggerating.

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    #35  Edited By Hawkeye446
    @FadeToBlackBolt said:

    WOLVERINE. 

      At least according to X-3.   Muahahaha. 
    HAHAHAHAAHAHA!
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    #36  Edited By Killer_of_trolls
    @Petey_is_Spidey
    so many people that this thread needs to be locked, the easiest answer is TOAA(not the celstial), who is the strongest character in marvel. 
     
    PS: this should be in the battle section, not in Gen
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    #37  Edited By kiss_lamia

    The Goblin Force in its most whole and evil aspect might give her a run for her flames.

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    #38  Edited By Powerzone789

    i've seen others beat, phoenix. for example apocalypse, Nate Grey back in his old form could easily match phoenix. anybody who wields the infinity gauntlet or any of the infinity gems could win. The living Tribunal and any other godlike characters could for sure take on phoenix ( eternity, celestial's etc.)

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    alien entity and james badrock(i heard he wraped the white hot room), myrlin , captain britain with excaliber, 616 mad jim jaspers

    616 infinity gantlet, the beyonders, the living tribunal, anyone with full star brand power, house of m scarlet witch ......................

    and of course batman

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    #40  Edited By ComicStooge

    Well, of course the God Damn Batman could...

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    #41  Edited By windcaster

    The Goblin Force ,Le  Bete Noir or the  Celestials .  I heard somewhere that the Phoenix is more powerful than  Eternity don't know if that is true?

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    #42  Edited By hyperbeing

    ok lebete noir and goblin force only fought a uinvere level phoenix . and goblin force did a surprrse attack. the dakr and grene pheonix dpdends at what point

    also white phoenix has yet to so her limits. and probly has none . she may even rival the lt if not surpass him.as for mm. i say he can beat all but whute phoenix. cause whitep hoenix is by far the storngestt phoenix shown . and also is should be noted that phoenix has been able to be resistant ot relaity warping. also phoenix force can relaity warp. and she can defeat ht celestials and eenterirty.you see white phoenixes domain exist beyond time and space and reality.

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    #43  Edited By MarvelGrey

    Can't forget about Onslaught.

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    #44  Edited By DrEgonSpengler

    Possibly SA Superman with the Sword of Superman.

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    #45  Edited By chriskalaani

    @EmmaGrace: not even close. there are many that could solo her easily

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    #46  Edited By RedQueen

    The one above all?

    A few people on the battle boards would suggest that Infinity gauntlet Thanos and full powered Galactus could take down Dark Phoenix......

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    Nate Grey? Franklin Richards?

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    It's been done -- Scarlet Witch and Hope Summers.

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