Generation Hope: The Groundwork for a New Phoenix Saga?

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#51 Posted by karrob (4278 posts) - - Show Bio
@psyrax2k11 said:
" 1. Jean isn't going to "muck" anything up; Jean is the Phoenix and the Phoenix is Jean (see X-Men: Phoenix Endsong #3 and #5), I like how that bit of info was left out.    2. I believe that Hope is a fragment of the Phoenix, which means she's a piece of Jean Grey herself (hence the red hair and green eyes).  I think that Jean sent this piece to earth--to be born human, so that she could save the mutant race, I think Cable knew about this the whole time, I think Jean appeared to him like she did with Emma; which leads me to believe that's how he knew when and where to save Hope when she was a baby.  I think that Jean has been pulling the strings since Messiah Complex, she's just playing her part behind the scenes.  "
Well said
#52 Posted by Cosmic_Falcon (2039 posts) - - Show Bio

God I hope not

#53 Edited by NeoAndroid (173 posts) - - Show Bio
@psyrax2k11 said:

" 1. Jean isn't going to "muck" anything up; Jean is the Phoenix and the Phoenix is Jean (see X-Men: Phoenix Endsong #3 and #5), I like how that bit of info was left out.    2. I believe that Hope is a fragment of the Phoenix, which means she's a piece of Jean Grey herself (hence the red hair and green eyes).  I think that Jean sent this piece to earth--to be born human, so that she could save the mutant race, I think Cable knew about this the whole time, I think Jean appeared to him like she did with Emma; which leads me to believe that's how he knew when and where to save Hope when she was a baby.  I think that Jean has been pulling the strings since Messiah Complex, she's just playing her part behind the scenes.  "

This i think is an amazing conceptual idea :)
 
And to add on, in the cable lead up to second coming maybe when the bullet was about to hit hope it was Jeans TK that stopped it, because she still 'needed' hope. Hence why the TK was pink in nature and not blue or gold like nathans would be if hope was a true mimic.
#54 Posted by goldenkey (2927 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it'll just be a way of developing the Hope character further.  I also don't think Jean will come back.  She might show up some how in this story, I just don't see her coming back. 
#55 Posted by GREGalicious (473 posts) - - Show Bio

Im really interested in seeing where HOPE goes in the future and as for JEAN...its not so much if she will return, it WHEN. I think that Hope was just a chance to bring in a new character tho, as everything she has been through and done couldve easily been another "Jean's Resurrection" story. It'll be really interesting to see Hope and Jean interact in future stories...

#56 Posted by queenfrost_ (2499 posts) - - Show Bio

The stepford cuckoos no longer have the Phoenix
 
But I hope it does!! :D

#57 Posted by Kid_Zombie (824 posts) - - Show Bio
@EnSabahNurX said:

" Honestly i was a huge fan of Hope till she became a mimic, i really want them to do something different with her(meaning not tk or telepathy) but my theory is hope isn't just a mimic but all the mutant powers that were deactivated were stored in her body(noah's ark). So she is  the conduit probably sent by the phoenix to save and store the powers knowing scarlet was going to try to erase them. Hope is also a shard of the PF that was created based off jean(Phoenix's favorite host) and once all the lights are gathered they will release all the mutant powers and will bring jean back.

It's a good idea but "the collective" is the mutant with all the mutant powers from M-day, he killed alpha flight. He since became guardian for omega flight then was weapon omega for Dark x-men...where are the dark x-men now anyways?
 
 @psyrax2k11 said:

 2. I believe that Hope is a fragment of the Phoenix, which means she's a piece of Jean Grey herself (hence the red hair and green eyes).  I think that Jean sent this piece to earth--to be born human, so that she could save the mutant race, I think Cable knew about this the whole time, I think Jean appeared to him like she did with Emma; which leads me to believe that's how he knew when and where to save Hope when she was a baby.  I think that Jean has been pulling the strings since Messiah Complex, she's just playing her part behind the scenes.  "

 As much as i dislike jean, this would be a great idea! good thinking.
#58 Posted by Squares (4929 posts) - - Show Bio

The cuckoos no longer contain any trace of the Phoenix Force whatsoever.

#59 Posted by Squares (4929 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambit1024 said:
" Ugh, just kill the Phoenix. Kill it with fire.  "
Seconded.

Hope hasn't activated anyone's powers since, like, the third or second issue. There are five lights; for now, that's it.
#60 Posted by Kairan1979 (16711 posts) - - Show Bio
#61 Posted by Squares (4929 posts) - - Show Bio
@Iron_Lad:  They don't look exactly alike.
#62 Posted by Squares (4929 posts) - - Show Bio
@psyrax2k11 said:
" 1. Jean isn't going to "muck" anything up; Jean is the Phoenix and the Phoenix is Jean (see X-Men: Phoenix Endsong #3 and #5), I like how that bit of info was left out.    2. I believe that Hope is a fragment of the Phoenix, which means she's a piece of Jean Grey herself (hence the red hair and green eyes).  I think that Jean sent this piece to earth--to be born human, so that she could save the mutant race, I think Cable knew about this the whole time, I think Jean appeared to him like she did with Emma; which leads me to believe that's how he knew when and where to save Hope when she was a baby.  I think that Jean has been pulling the strings since Messiah Complex, she's just playing her part behind the scenes.  "
...you're saying a female character can't have red hair and green eyes without somehow being linked to Jean Grey? That's fallacious logic.
#63 Edited by psyrax2k11 (42 posts) - - Show Bio

@Squares:

That is absolutely not fallacious logic, come on now.  There are many other redheaded, green eyed female characters that are not connected to Jean.  How can you say that this is fallacious when the hints about who Hope is or who she's connected to are being layed out.  It's quite obvious; so to say my logic is fallacious--and I mean no disrespect, is a bit absurd.

#64 Posted by oviouslyjeangrey (400 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mercy_: Ur dumb why do u hate jean grey shes the best character they ever came up with and it probably is what made most of the x-men comics so interesting, god! Stop hating her!

#65 Posted by TheGreyOutcastX (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

@oviouslyjeangrey said:

@Mercy_: Ur dumb why do u hate jean grey shes the best character they ever came up with and it probably is what made most of the x-men comics so interesting, god! Stop hating her!

There is no need for this. She's entitled to her view as you are yours.

#66 Posted by Mercy_ (92629 posts) - - Show Bio

@oviouslyjeangrey said:

@Mercy_: Ur dumb why do u hate jean grey shes the best character they ever came up with and it probably is what made most of the x-men comics so interesting, god! Stop hating her!

Yes, because your opinion is obviously the be-all end-all of opinions, right? Oh, wait, that's right, they're just that, opinions. There's no need to be insecure over somebody not liking a character that you like. There are thousands upon thousands of characters, it's bound to happen sooner or later that somebody is going to have a dissenting opinion from you.

Oh and just as an FYI, when insulting somebody's intelligence, you may want to make sure your own house is in order. The proper grammar here would be:

You're dumb. Why do you hate Jean Grey? She's the best character they ever came up with and she's probably what made most of the X-Men comics so interesting. God. Stop hating her!

@TheGreyOutcastX: Thanks :)

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#67 Posted by TheGreyOutcastX (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mercy_: No problem. :D

#68 Posted by Crimsonlord53 (1304 posts) - - Show Bio

I would like to see the cost of restarting the mutant race being the death of the last 200 odd mutants on earth. It would tie up the whole phoenix death and rebirth nicely in my twisted opinion plus the Irony would be funny.

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