Generation Hope: The Groundwork for a New Phoenix Saga?

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Posted by StrongProtector (92 posts) - - Show Bio
 The Phoenix Force has a habit of running into the X-Men.

It is one of the X-Men's most persistent threats, mostly because it is a godlike entity that cannot be destroyed. The Phoenix Force has possessed nearly two-dozen characters over the X-Men’s history across several different universes. And it seems to have returned, at least in part, once again. This time in the form of the Mutant Messiah, Hope Summers.

It’s not a question of if the Phoenix Force will make its presence felt via Hope, but when as it has picked several moments to rear its head already. It had its big coming out party against Bastion in order to destroy that threat and save what was left of Utopia. And since then it has been seen deep in the green eyes of Hope as her temper flared some in a meeting with Cyclops in Generation Hope #5. But this is a creature that has the power to both create and destroy, so what exactly is the Phoenix’s agenda this time around and how will it once again affect the destiny of the X-Men? == TEASER ==

The first question you really have to ponder is just how powerful the force that inhabits Hope is because this is not the entirety of the Phoenix force. Part of the Phoenix previously possessed the Stepford Cuckoos and in order to overcome it in the Phoenix Warsong mini-series, each Cuckoo turned their hearts to diamond in order to trap the essence. So is Hope harboring the remaining power, or like the Cuckoos, is this just a small fraction of it? And if it is just a small fraction, where is the rest? Could these “lights”, these new mutants the X-Men are now discovering, actually be harbingers of other remnants of the Phoenix force and why Hope feels so close to them? Is that why the “lights” powers’ are so chaotic at first and only Hope can bring their powers under control when she makes contact with them? 

The Stepford Cuckoos all hold a small sliver of the Phoenix Force within themselves. 

Let us assume though for a second that Hope is the embodiment of the remainder of the Phoenix Force. Is Hope simply the form the Phoenix Force chose to take in trying to reform itself? Could this be the reason why she looks SO much like Jean Grey, the form that the Phoenix is most accustomed to and why she flares up more often when Cyclops is around?

The Phoenix could also have just decided to possess a baby this time around and could be molding Hope as she ages into what she thinks she should look like, which would be Jean Grey. Maybe this was some cosmic sized attempt at understanding life by the Phoenix and so in order to do so was hoping to live a full human life. Unfortunately for her, she spent many of her formative years time-hopping with Cable. If that was the Phoenix’s plan, I guess that was a bust.

The most likely scenario for all this though is probably nothing as deep and this will all simply culminate as the fix to M-Day caused by the Scarlet Witch. The question that arises from this is how is it going to be implemented because it makes perfect sense for the Phoenix to be the reason why the mutant race would rise from the ashes. And only a primal force like the Phoenix could overcome the Scarlet Witch’s chaos magic.

 Burn baby, burn! Hope has some fire in those eyes.

Is every issue of Generation Hope going to be her locating new “lights” and bringing them under control? Saving the mutant race one soul at a time? That could work for a little while, but would become boring and tiresome at some point. I can’t see continuing like this for more than a couple dozen issues before we see some major event where either Hope will unleash her full potential and heal a great many “lights” all at once or sacrifice herself and in that noble act serve as the catalyst that once again jump starts the X-gene and saves the mutant race from extinction. And if Hope doesn’t make a noble sacrifice, but learns to control the Phoenix Force, could this be another way for some more recently deceased X-Men to return to the comic pages? No matter what happens, I’m going to be reading any comic that features Hope because she is clearly going to be the catalyst for some major changes happening in the ranks of the X-Men down the line.

What do you guys think? How much influence will Hope and the Phoenix Force have with this go around with the X-Men? Will Jean Grey come back and muck things up? What new and interesting powers should these new “lights” have? Could this usher in a new golden age for the X-Men? Let us know by commenting below! 

#1 Posted by Overlander (483 posts) - - Show Bio

Could Jean Grey return?!?
 
I wouldn't rule it out.

#2 Posted by Xyberius13 (26 posts) - - Show Bio

anything is possible with the phionex force!!

#3 Posted by John Valentine (16307 posts) - - Show Bio

The Phoenix force which was within the Stepford Cuckoos left them in Uncanny X-Men sometime next year. 
 
I want Hope to go Dark Phoenix like in Bishop's timeline. I want to see the X-Men kill the brat.

#4 Posted by papad1992 (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

Alrighty then... another Jean!! Marvel couldn't deal with ressurecting her once again (since she died like 6 times) so they decided to start from scaatch and mold another one! 
 
Great mystery there, shes only gonna do one obvious thing: Restore the mutant race.... somehow!! 
#5 Posted by Mercy_ (92685 posts) - - Show Bio

Hopefully not. Fingers crossed that they find something interesting and original to do.....yeah, like that's gonna happen. : / 

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#6 Posted by waruikumo (357 posts) - - Show Bio

We shall see what happens.  Unfortunately, I have little faith in Marvel to thread a plot out consistently this long / as long as this is taking.  They prefer using band-aids on broken legs, rather than splints.  X-Men has been down hill since Whedon's run, which was still a sorta step down from Morrison's.  Oh well, it's a shame toys mandate the status quo, and remove any balls to take chances.

#7 Posted by marvelunivers_deleteme (315 posts) - - Show Bio
@Overlander said:
" Could Jean Grey return?!?  I wouldn't rule it out. "
its soo obvious she is going to return
#8 Posted by papad1992 (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh and the Stepford Cuckoos lost their part of the Phoenix Force! Also Marvel Girl lost her part and Korvus' sword lost its as well!! This was all before Hope's arrival... maybe her return as a teenager sparked something!!
#9 Posted by GTG12 (1575 posts) - - Show Bio

i hope jean grey returns.
#10 Posted by feargalr (1163 posts) - - Show Bio

Im loving this right now.. but he's right, it can't keep going for long if its just hope meeting a new mutant every week and fixing them, like most of them were fixed without any problem... I also can't help but wonder if bishop was right that she will kill a bunch of humans at some stage, 6 million in a minute or something like that wasn't it? I bet theres going to be some truth to that, Perhaps she'll extenguish those lives to give life to another race of mutants, I can't help but wonder if theres going to be more time travel involved in her life... grow her up a bit more... she's fairly childish at the moment, although I love her stand off ish nature when she's doing the right thing and taking no **** from no one. Anyway one way or another this is going to be a huge story line for ages to come. too long in fact I want it now nagdamit!!!

#11 Posted by Mumbles (846 posts) - - Show Bio

uh no...

#12 Posted by perry_411 (428 posts) - - Show Bio

I call her the vogue messiah. The vogue messiah is a mutant of extreme powers who is the new "it" character for marvel. It  was first Cable, then Bishop, Nate Grey, and they will be dropping franklin richards in there soon. How will her story end? Most likely in a flame-out experienced by the prior vogue messiahs.

#13 Posted by psyrax2k11 (42 posts) - - Show Bio

1. Jean isn't going to "muck" anything up; Jean is the Phoenix and the Phoenix is Jean (see X-Men: Phoenix Endsong #3 and #5), I like how that bit of info was left out.   
 
2. I believe that Hope is a fragment of the Phoenix, which means she's a piece of Jean Grey herself (hence the red hair and green eyes).  I think that Jean sent this piece to earth--to be born human, so that she could save the mutant race, I think Cable knew about this the whole time, I think Jean appeared to him like she did with Emma; which leads me to believe that's how he knew when and where to save Hope when she was a baby.  I think that Jean has been pulling the strings since Messiah Complex, she's just playing her part behind the scenes. 
#14 Posted by thatlad (594 posts) - - Show Bio

@StrongProtector The Cuckoo's lost their phoenix force just after the creation of utopia. When scalphunter flew the group of predator x's into utopia the cuckoo's were providing support until the phoneix force left them.  

#15 Posted by Wattup (648 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm really tired of the Phoenix Force...hey X-editors...how about a NEW threat other than Phoenix, killer cyborgs from the future, etc.?

#16 Posted by Icon (2056 posts) - - Show Bio

Love the Phoenix Force

#17 Posted by MSBoyd23 (112 posts) - - Show Bio

Hope annoys me. I want Emma to hurry up and kick her butt.

#18 Posted by Bestostero (5618 posts) - - Show Bio

Would be nice if Jean returns...and hopefully doesn't die...lol

#19 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

Ugh, just kill the Phoenix. Kill it with fire. 

#20 Posted by psyrax2k11 (42 posts) - - Show Bio
@xhavoc86 said:
"Would be nice if Jean returns...and hopefully doesn't die...lol "

Agreed 100%.  Jean Grey is long over due for her return.
#21 Posted by hulk_beyond (89 posts) - - Show Bio
@psyrax2k11 said:
" 1. Jean isn't going to "muck" anything up; Jean is the Phoenix and the Phoenix is Jean (see X-Men: Phoenix Endsong #3 and #5), I like how that bit of info was left out.    2. I believe that Hope is a fragment of the Phoenix, which means she's a piece of Jean Grey herself (hence the red hair and green eyes).  I think that Jean sent this piece to earth--to be born human, so that she could save the mutant race, I think Cable knew about this the whole time, I think Jean appeared to him like she did with Emma; which leads me to believe that's how he knew when and where to save Hope when she was a baby.  I think that Jean has been pulling the strings since Messiah Complex, she's just playing her part behind the scenes.  "
i like ur thinking
#22 Posted by Cafeterialoca (1504 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope she's not Jean Grey.
I'd feel cheated out of a new character.

#23 Posted by StrongProtector (92 posts) - - Show Bio
@thatlad: Yeah I forgot about that. I was so impressed by Cyclops amping it up and incinerating half of that one predator in that story that most everything else about that just kinda became background noise. Thanks. 
#24 Posted by EnSabahNurX (2315 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly i was a huge fan of Hope till she became a mimic, i really want them to do something different with her(meaning not tk or telepathy) but my theory is hope isn't just a mimic but all the mutant powers that were deactivated were stored in her body(noah's ark). So she is  the conduit probably sent by the phoenix to save and store the powers knowing scarlet was going to try to erase them. Hope is also a shard of the PF that was created based off jean(Phoenix's favorite host) and once all the lights are gathered they will release all the mutant powers and will bring jean back. 
 
That is just a quick idea for hope, it is funny that hopes rag tag team kind of resemble x-men jean is familiar with, like the dude who is basically beast, the girl who is like a young storm with two elements at her control.   The team seams like fragments of people from jean's life.

I wonder if hope is simply an aspect of jean's mind sent to prepare her arrival subconsciously or she's the final obstacle for the phoenix to deal with before it can finally rest in the white hot room and return jean and finally let her live her life. 
 
Either way Hopes character needs to be fixed cause shes boring or just kill her off in an epic battle with jean or lock the little girl in the white hot room as the new host body for the phoenix or they can have a series with hopes journey with her Lights as they travel the galaxy(like the silver surfer)

#25 Posted by DMC (1551 posts) - - Show Bio

well hopefully some of your questions will be answered in issue

#6. According to the solicit (if it's to be believed) it's gonna be BIG
#26 Edited by Iron_Lad (315 posts) - - Show Bio

Still waiting to see if the "Hope is Jean Grey reincarnated" rumor is true or false. You can't escape the fact that they do look exactly alike. Though, you'd think that if she was Jean Grey that their DNA would match and the X-Club would have spotted something like that by now. One thing for sure, she has some connection to Jean.

#27 Posted by SoA (4777 posts) - - Show Bio

i know its a cosmic entity and all but i just cant stand it therefore cant stand hope. i read messiah complex and everything tying into it , but when they showed hope with the phoenix in her eyes i was just disappointed .the only thing i think that would be interesting is if she does go with the whole evil kill a million humans thing, and the lights would be her heralds , like galactus has silver surfer  
 
im just sick of the phoenix force and redhead vessels , maybe if it possessed a alien or just someone else i'd appreciate it , hell i was sick of it as a kid when the phoenix saga was on the 90s x-men cartoon (being on for 5 years i think 3 seasons was dedicated to the damned phoenix force uuuuggghhhh)

#28 Posted by Comiclove5 (1258 posts) - - Show Bio

The Phoenix always rises.

#29 Posted by The Impersonator (5395 posts) - - Show Bio

The dead always come back to life.

#30 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
@Wattup said:
" I'm really tired of the Phoenix Force...hey X-editors...how about a NEW threat other than Phoenix, killer cyborgs from the future, etc.? "
You mean Nimrod?
#31 Posted by johnnie619 (199 posts) - - Show Bio

so this could be leading up to the elf and cable coming back. i sort of miss having jean in the x-men and id like to see her back but part of me would also like to just let her be. i shall be reading to see what happens

#32 Posted by bjmorga (49 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel like Hope has been a classic example of how not use the "show, don't tell" style of storytelling. We x-fans have been told just how gosh darn important she is, while there has been little evidence that she really matters. Hope is the new Layla Miller. We've all been told she's important, but I don't believe it yet. I'm just glad she's seemingly gone from Legacy.

#33 Posted by CellphoneGirl (18854 posts) - - Show Bio
@psyrax2k11 said:
" 1. Jean isn't going to "muck" anything up; Jean is the Phoenix and the Phoenix is Jean (see X-Men: Phoenix Endsong #3 and #5), I like how that bit of info was left out.    2. I believe that Hope is a fragment of the Phoenix, which means she's a piece of Jean Grey herself (hence the red hair and green eyes).  I think that Jean sent this piece to earth--to be born human, so that she could save the mutant race, I think Cable knew about this the whole time, I think Jean appeared to him like she did with Emma; which leads me to believe that's how he knew when and where to save Hope when she was a baby.  I think that Jean has been pulling the strings since Messiah Complex, she's just playing her part behind the scenes.  "
I like what you've came up with there. 
#34 Posted by Munsu (164 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, I also find Hope rather boring and kind of off-putting. Even though she is supposed to be so important I just couldn't get interested in her character, and she needs some big changes before I think I can. Also the Phoenix Force thing feels just so overdone. Maybe if they do bring back Jean after teasing her so much I'll look into it but until then I'll wait before investing anything.

#35 Posted by Wattup (648 posts) - - Show Bio

In regards to the criticisms of Hope, I figure we should all give the kid some time. Hell, everyone hated Damian Wayne when he first was introduced and now the character is awesome.

#36 Posted by oldgum (326 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't want and don't belief they will bring Jean back. They kill her over and over again, because them never known how to make good use of her. Phoenix Force sucks, for its godlike power, but also a vital tool to turn the tide. Hope is cute, the director should make good use of her, not made her a failure like Sentry!

#37 Posted by Mercy_ (92685 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cafeterialoca said:
" I hope she's not Jean Grey. I'd feel cheated out of a new character. "
This. 
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#38 Posted by EmmaGrace (1024 posts) - - Show Bio
@psyrax2k11 said:
"1. Jean isn't going to "muck" anything up; Jean is the Phoenix and the Phoenix is Jean (see X-Men: Phoenix Endsong #3 and #5), I like how that bit of info was left out.    2. I believe that Hope is a fragment of the Phoenix, which means she's a piece of Jean Grey herself (hence the red hair and green eyes).  I think that Jean sent this piece to earth--to be born human, so that she could save the mutant race, I think Cable knew about this the whole time, I think Jean appeared to him like she did with Emma; which leads me to believe that's how he knew when and where to save Hope when she was a baby.  I think that Jean has been pulling the strings since Messiah Complex, she's just playing her part behind the scenes.  "
 
THIS! I love it. <3 :) 
 
But if this does happen, then if Jean comes back to earth then there would be no need for Hope removing the character altogether...
#39 Posted by JonesDeini (3620 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait...this crappy titles still not canceled? Heh, go figure...yet I can't get a new issue Black Widow...oh Marvel, you make no sense. 

#40 Posted by leokearon (1790 posts) - - Show Bio

Not the Phoenix Force again, it was a terrible idea when Kurk Busiek helped Marvel come up with the idea in the 80's and it still is. It is now so repetitive.
#41 Edited by antiterra (168 posts) - - Show Bio

The Phoenix Force. Again. Yawn.

Honestly, what are the chances that it would be used in a remotely original and interesting way, i.e. not the usual world-dominating menace that the X-Men will miraculously manage to defeat thanks to some desperate Hail Mary pass and, ideally, some heroic sacrifice from whoever hasn't been killed in a while?

I'd like to believe there's a grand plan for Hope that was mapped out since the beginning, years-in-the-making stuff... but at this point, I've lost all confidence.

The whole "messiah" thing was dodgy all along and the resolution of Second Coming was unconvincing to say the least (as is often the case with supermegaworldshattering events). It's a shame to think that Hope will inevitably be swept into the Phoenix Force legacy, because I do like the character.

#42 Posted by Soldier zero (250 posts) - - Show Bio

Aside from my personal hate for the whole concept behind Hope (not to mention the useless killing of Nightcrawler becuase the "man of Faith that die for hope"... sad), the biggeest question lying around is not about the Phoneix Force, but rather the continuity.
Granted the X-Men were always the odd fitting piece in the Mavrel Universe, but during the last years they seem to exist in a different continuity, not only they were pretty much excluded from all the major events (Civil War, Secret Invasion, Heroic Age), but they were given their own little state so that they can exist as a separate entinty altogether.
And don't get me started about character derangement, during the last years Beast seem to be the only X-Men still acting in character and they have to place him back with the Avengers to do so. How sad is that?

#43 Posted by Out_of_Space (720 posts) - - Show Bio
@xhavoc86 said:
"Would be nice if Jean returns...and hopefully doesn't die...lol "


:D
#44 Posted by TDK_1997 (14704 posts) - - Show Bio

This is the Phoenix Force,everything can happen.

#45 Posted by DarkChris (303 posts) - - Show Bio

I had a theory about how Hope was born and what her fate is. I think she will unleash her powers and she will restore all the mutants. BUT, a sliver of PF has remained within Jean, she will feel Hope with her new powers and she will somehow wake up. She can't control her body, because the Phoenix Force within her is angry. So we will see an epic battle between Hope and Jean. 

#46 Posted by 00 Raiser (442 posts) - - Show Bio
@antiterra: LOL Yeah this is starting to look like a yawn. Even worse that the Generation Hope story arc has such shitty artwork.
#47 Posted by perry_411 (428 posts) - - Show Bio
@psyrax2k11: Why? They fleshed out her character completely. 
#48 Posted by Doctor!!!!! (2055 posts) - - Show Bio

More Jean More Jean.

#49 Posted by treysome (93 posts) - - Show Bio

I would love Jean to return I would start buying uncanny again.  Though I do like that Hope goes against Cyclops and Emma.  Hopefully this plot doesn't get stretch out for 20 years cause there's really no need.

#50 Posted by SigTau123 (17 posts) - - Show Bio


i have loved all the stuff with hope summers

i hope night crwler get revived  
phoenix is COMMING

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