I don't really understand how a universe (i.e. Marvel or DC) can have more than one Omnipotent being. Someone who is Omnipotent has ultimate power throughout their respected universe. Take Marvel for example, shouldn't the Living Tribunal equal The One Above All in terms of power then as it has no limit. One Omnipotent being cannot defeat another, but still an Omnipotent like Eternity is killed by an Omnipotent Thanos (IG). Doesn't that just make it a paradox then because Infinite Power cannot overcome Infinite Power. What do you think?

I think that sometimes they use the hyperbole "Omnipotent" as a comparison to mortal ideas of power; they might as well be omnipotent when seen by a person like you or me. For instance, in DC they have the New Gods like Darkseid and Orion but they aren't actually all-powerful gods, they just have powers so far beyond a mortal man that they might as well be.

In each megaverse, Marvel or DC, there is only one being who is truly omnipotent, who is literally stronger than everyone else. For instance, in Marvel, only TOAA is actually omipotent. Any other being is, at best, ALMOST omnipotent.

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Not a battle. But, the answer is that there can only be one omnipotent being per comic reality. Marvel has TOAA. DC doesnt have a true omnipotent being as far as I can tell.

@Wolfrazer said:

@Kal'smahboi: I know you posted this a year ago, but what about actual beings who are omnipotent such as Zeus and all them? Or are they not omnipotent? But then, I don't see how that makes sense.

The clear answer is that none of them is actually omnipotent. Logically speaking, nothing can be omnipotent by the omnipotence paradox. However, truly omnipotent beings can defy logic.

Back on the topic. For instance, as the op said if Eternity is omnipotent, how can Thanos with IG defeat it? The answer is that Eternity was never omnipotent, and Thanos with IG is basically what showed this to us. Everyone who is said to be omnipotent in comics is actually just nigh-omnipotent.

@eisjfiejss said:

@Wolfrazer said:

@Kal'smahboi: I know you posted this a year ago, but what about actual beings who are omnipotent such as Zeus and all them? Or are they not omnipotent? But then, I don't see how that makes sense.

The clear answer is that none of them is actually omnipotent. Logically speaking, nothing can be omnipotent by the omnipotence paradox. However, truly omnipotent beings can defy logic.

Back on the topic. For instance, as the op said if Eternity is omnipotent, how can Thanos with IG defeat it? The answer is that Eternity was never omnipotent, and Thanos with IG is basically what showed this to us. Everyone who is said to be omnipotent in comics is actually just nigh-omnipotent.

i agree with this .but what about the HOTU doesi t make somone truely omnipotant cause beong omnipotant implies unlimited power or does itm ean having all powers in existense.i forgot can someone axplain.

@Wolfrazer: No problem at all. Always happy to continue an interesting discussion. I don't believe that Zeus has ever been seen as omnipotent, even by the Greeks that believed in his divinity. If that were the case, what would be the point of quarreling with the other gods?

@Kal'smahboi said:

@Wolfrazer: No problem at all. Always happy to continue an interesting discussion. I don't believe that Zeus has ever been seen as omnipotent, even by the Greeks that believed in his divinity. If that were the case, what would be the point of quarreling with the other gods?

Wait but wasn't Zeus in myth omnipotent? Didn't he have all this power, and was able to do pretty much anything?(Mind is a little fuzzy atm) I do recall him swallowing the universe though...or is Marvel not going that far with the Myth and only putting him on a smaller level?

@Wolfrazer said:

@Kal'smahboi said:

@Wolfrazer: No problem at all. Always happy to continue an interesting discussion. I don't believe that Zeus has ever been seen as omnipotent, even by the Greeks that believed in his divinity. If that were the case, what would be the point of quarreling with the other gods?

Wait but wasn't Zeus in myth omnipotent? Didn't he have all this power, and was able to do pretty much anything?(Mind is a little fuzzy atm) I do recall him swallowing the universe though...or is Marvel not going that far with the Myth and only putting him on a smaller level?

I actually think that Marvel isn't that far off. But the actual Zeus was only powerful because he took the power. Swallowing universes isn't omnipotence, but it is very very powerful, which was my original point.

@Wolfrazer: As far as i recall Zeus never swallowed the universe.Though he did swallow his Titan wife (The mother of Athena).Zeus was also not omnipotent

In order to be truly omnipotent there cant be anyone able to beat you to the point where there isnt anyone who can even compete with you,Take TOAA FE.He cant be beaten and no one can even challenge him due to his power.That is omnipotent and there can be only one

@Wolfrazer: As far as i recall Zeus never swallowed the universe.Though he did swallow his Titan wife (The mother of Athena).Zeus was also not omnipotent

In order to be truly omnipotent there cant be anyone able to beat you to the point where there isnt anyone who can even compete with you,Take TOAA FE.He cant be beaten and no one can even challenge him due to his power.That is omnipotent and there can be only one

@Kal'smahboi said:

I think that sometimes they use the hyperbole "Omnipotent" as a comparison to mortal ideas of power; they might as well be omnipotent when seen by a person like you or me. For instance, in DC they have the New Gods like Darkseid and Orion but they aren't actually all-powerful gods, they just have powers so far beyond a mortal man that they might as well be.

This.

@Wolfrazersaid:

@Kal'smahboisaid:

@Wolfrazersaid:

@Kal'smahboisaid:

@Wolfrazer: No problem at all. Always happy to continue an interesting discussion. I don't believe that Zeus has ever been seen as omnipotent, even by the Greeks that believed in his divinity. If that were the case, what would be the point of quarreling with the other gods?

Wait but wasn't Zeus in myth omnipotent? Didn't he have all this power, and was able to do pretty much anything?(Mind is a little fuzzy atm) I do recall him swallowing the universe though...or is Marvel not going that far with the Myth and only putting him on a smaller level?

I actually think that Marvel isn't that far off. But the actual Zeus was only powerful because he took the power. Swallowing universes isn't omnipotence, but it is very very powerful, which was my original point.

It ain't? Really? Hm....guess I am looking at omnipotent in a different way then, so he isn't omnipotent? Just a powerful god? I feel as if Marvel/DC really downplay, a lot of old characters that started way back when and it just ain't right. But anyway thanks.

*Cough cough Thor, cough Wonder Man cough*

Omnipotence would be ultimate infinate power, this page explains how one persons unlimited power can be greater then others.

This is an example of Omnipotent beating a fellow Omnipotent

Same goes to the comics so shut the f*ck up

@hyperbeing said:

@eisjfiejss said:

@Wolfrazer said:

@Kal'smahboi: I know you posted this a year ago, but what about actual beings who are omnipotent such as Zeus and all them? Or are they not omnipotent? But then, I don't see how that makes sense.

The clear answer is that none of them is actually omnipotent. Logically speaking, nothing can be omnipotent by the omnipotence paradox. However, truly omnipotent beings can defy logic.

Back on the topic. For instance, as the op said if Eternity is omnipotent, how can Thanos with IG defeat it? The answer is that Eternity was never omnipotent, and Thanos with IG is basically what showed this to us. Everyone who is said to be omnipotent in comics is actually just nigh-omnipotent.

i agree with this .but what about the HOTU doesi t make somone truely omnipotant cause beong omnipotant implies unlimited power or does itm ean having all powers in existense.i forgot can someone axplain.

HOTU does not make someone omnipotent. Omnipotence does not necessarily imply unlimited power or having all powers in existence. It just means you are capable of ANYTHING. In other words, you can defeat others in a fight even if you had 1/100000 of your opponents power, or even if you didn't have any power at all.

To prove that someone is not omnipotent, you only need a single counter example. In the case of HOTU, Thanos stated that Eternity, Infinity, and LT was able to resist him momentarily before being absorbed. This is sufficient to prove that he was not all powerful.

@RoyHarperBLOW said:

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Why would you bump this?

Can a mod (@RazzaTazz) please move or lock this? It doesn't belong in this forum.

@eisjfiejss:

What can Thanos with HOTU not do?

@whydama said:

@eisjfiejss:

What can Thanos with HOTU not do?

For instance, I don't think HOTU allows the user to be above TOAA. I also don't think HOTU allows Thanos to create more HOTUs. Remember omnipotence means capability to perform any feat conceivable regardless of whether it fits logic.

@matmatxm8: There's no way in heaven or hell Chuck Norris could ever infinately be compared to Bruce Lee even in his own dreams.