Odin WTF???

#1 Posted by Z3RO180 (6536 posts) - - Show Bio

Now back when JMS was writing thor, thor went into the odin sleep and he meet odin and then odin told thor that he loved mortals. But now at the start off fear itself he hates mortals so why does he now hate us.

#2 Edited by Loki9876 (3045 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe he used to love mortals (because I  think that is the story where he say to thor that created them) but overtime he started hating them due to their greedy nature. (I don't know for sure)

#3 Posted by AMS (1387 posts) - - Show Bio

Cause we are constant failures probably in his eye.

#4 Posted by Deadcool (6810 posts) - - Show Bio

Because JMS used to write Thor and now Fraction is writting Thor, there is a LOT of differences in the writting style of both...

#5 Edited by PowerHerc (83508 posts) - - Show Bio

Though he generally doesn't harm and sometimes even shows concern for them, mortals are simply minor entities and or pawns to Odin.

#6 Posted by RainEffect (3240 posts) - - Show Bio

Fraction.
 
That is all.

#7 Edited by 04nbod (174 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin has always seen mortals as beneath him and unworthy. This stretches right back to the beginning when Thor was thrown out of Asgard and sent to be humbled by becoming inferior, then there was his adamance that Jane was not good enough to be a god to the point he set up a rigged test as an excuse to banish her and get Thor with Sif.

Thor's devotion to earth and mortals comes from his mother Gaea. And I half think the reason Thor was so arrogant in the first place was his father's example

#8 Posted by BlackArmor (6141 posts) - - Show Bio

Humanity=Epic Fail

#9 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38849 posts) - - Show Bio
@04nbod said:

Odin has always seen mortals as beneath him and unworthy. This stretches right back to the beginning when Thor was thrown out of Asgard and sent to be humbled by becoming inferior, then there was his adamance that Jane was not good enough to be a god to the point he set up a rigged test as an excuse to banish her and get Thor with Sif.

Thor's devotion to earth and mortals comes from his mother Gaea. And I half think the reason Thor was so arrogant in the first place was his father's example

Interesting point.
#10 Posted by seekquaze (612 posts) - - Show Bio

@04nbod said:

Odin has always seen mortals as beneath him and unworthy. This stretches right back to the beginning when Thor was thrown out of Asgard and sent to be humbled by becoming inferior, then there was his adamance that Jane was not good enough to be a god to the point he set up a rigged test as an excuse to banish her and get Thor with Sif.

Thor's devotion to earth and mortals comes from his mother Gaea. And I half think the reason Thor was so arrogant in the first place was his father's example

I would disagree with this. As a god Odin does see himself above mortals. He has been around for eons compared to most mortal civilizations lasting a few centuries at best. He has done things most mortals cannot even dream. Humility is not a trait of his culture. Odin sees how mortals largely behave and while they have some qualities he respects many things about them disgust him. Also, Earth is not the center of Odin's universe. It is Asgard first and the overall good of the nine worlds second. Odin feels some concern for mortals otherwise he would not take such steps to protect them at times. However, it is more of the noble ideal of the strong protecting the weak than any real love like Thor has for them. Why should Odin place Earth before many of the other realms like Alfheim, Nidvillair, or even Asgard? Why should he care that much about mortals after the wrecked his city?

The test with Jane was not really rigged. Odin gave her a fair chance. The problem is the life of an Asgardian god is radically different then the life of a mortal nurse. The Asgardian heavens are not what most modern mortals think of as heaven. That of a place where everyone lives at ease in peaceful surroundings. Asgard is almost in a constant state of war with every citizen needing to be able to pull their weight. Jane was given more powers than the average Asgardian, but fell to fear. Sif is in many ways a far better companion. The relationship between Thor and Jane would not work out unless Thor foreshook Asgard. Odin knew this. If Thor truly loved her above all others he would have pursued her further.

Thor's devotion for Earth is only partly from Gaea. For ages he did not know she was his mother. His devotion comes from living among humans and as a human unlike other Asgardians. His arrogance did not come from Odin, or at least not wholly. Thor was so powerful he never had to suffer the consequences of his actions. He was never challenged. He did what he wanted because no one could stop him. He lacked wisdom. Odin had achieved this through adversity and self-sacrifice. Thor was meant to achieve it by learning what it was like to be weak and thinking of others by being a doctor. He just took the lesson far more than Odin thought he would.

#11 Edited by 04nbod (174 posts) - - Show Bio

We are getting into a mess of continuity here but Odin originally sent Thor to Earth to learn humility therefore he must have a concept of humility. What you describe in the last paragraph is humility. I don't see how anything here disagrees with the fact Odin sees mortals as beneath him. Its like animals in a way. We love animals but if animals get a contagious disease we kill them. Odin's actions in Fear Itself are no different. To Odin, Thor is basically doing the equivalent of Greenpeace on Earth

Jane's test was absolutely rigged. Look at the issue again, look at where he calls his subordinate for the Lurking Unknown and the subordinate says that none but Odin himself can control that beast. Jane was given the power of flight and she was locked in a tight space with a monster, not exactly helpfull and purposely so. She also got no weapons. Jane was there 10 minutes at most. She was given no training to defeat the monster at all. There were two options available to her 1) Call for help and fail 2) die and fail. Either way Odin gets rid of her as he wants. 'Fear' is irrelevant, even the Gods feel fear as shown in Fear Itself. And Thor himself succumbs to The Lurking Unknown in the issue. All Odin's actions were driven by the fear of losing his son. Later writers went even further and suggested that Odin had called Heimdall to summon Sif back to Asgard before Thor and Jane had even arrived there. Odin already had the entire plan worked out. He wiped the minds of both Thor and Jane of each other and sent them in opposite directions. There is no justification for playing people like puppets let alone his own son.

This elseworlds issue (http://www.comicvine.com/what-if-what-if-thor-and-the-avengers-battled-the-asgardian-gods/37-21058/) highlights all the problems of 'To Become an Immortal' and resolves them while allowing Odin comes across very well in it. It comes to the conclusion that it was never Jane that was unworthy, it was Odin that was afraid of losing his child to her. Its one of those elseworlds that is better than what actually happened.

Thor's devotion to Earth is in his blood not in how he was raised as shown primarily by Odin, Frigga and Sif expecting him to get bored of Earth and return to Asgard forever. Thor is different from Asgardian because of Gaea and as such I don't think anyone there quite understands him.

#12 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

@04nbod said:

Odin has always seen mortals as beneath him and unworthy. This stretches right back to the beginning when Thor was thrown out of Asgard and sent to be humbled by becoming inferior, then there was his adamance that Jane was not good enough to be a god to the point he set up a rigged test as an excuse to banish her and get Thor with Sif.

Thor's devotion to earth and mortals comes from his mother Gaea. And I half think the reason Thor was so arrogant in the first place was his father's example

Facinating.

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