Is Odin without the Odinforce stronger than Thor?

#1 Posted by Reptilicus (682 posts) - - Show Bio

No Odinforce for Thor either.

#2 Posted by Enosisik (1153 posts) - - Show Bio

He should be... I've always thought it was a bad idea to have a Odin force and a Thor force an all that.

#3 Posted by gavinification (83 posts) - - Show Bio

Well if Odin didnt have the Odinforce and relied on his asgardian nature for power then I think Thor would be more powerful seeing as Thor is half elder god.

#4 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@gavinification said:

Well if Odin didnt have the Odinforce and relied on his asgardian nature for power then I think Thor would be more powerful seeing as Thor is half elder god.

this is a good point but.... wouldn't Gungnir and Odin's sword help him? I donno if weapons count

#5 Posted by Enosisik (1153 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin is still a god of war so I still think he'd give Thor a fight. (unless marvel doesn't recognize that). Odin doesn't seem to be all that popular in Norse myths and it seems Tyr was originally the most powerful God and Thor became more popular and probably more powerful than them all in the late era.

#6 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio

Just with his physical atributes, yeah; Thor is stronger than him and he still having the Thorforce.

Note: Odin lifts just 60 tons, as far as I know, but I can't remember the source, so, there is a posibility for me to be wrong.

#7 Posted by Enosisik (1153 posts) - - Show Bio

The marvel site says that on his profile but it says that 60 tons was good considering his age, so he may become stronger after his resurrection. Idk , 60 sounds so low considering he is a sky father.

#8 Edited by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

he can probably give himself more power with the odinforce, that's why it's so low IMO

also, isn't Thor the Norse God of War? I thought it was

got it confused with strenght LOL he's the god of strenght

#9 Posted by Enosisik (1153 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope Odin was god of war,battle victory,death,poetry,wisdom,prophecy and I forget the others. Thor was got of strength and thunder/storms and I think oak trees, not sure if that's him. I'm sure he had some other written or unwritten battle related ones like bravery or honor since the Nordics worshiped him during times of great need.

#10 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7689 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor has already surpassed Odin

#11 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38849 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jnr6Lil said:

Thor has already surpassed Odin

... Explain.
#12 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7689 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheGoldenOne said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

Thor has already surpassed Odin

... Explain.

Odin want an heir who's powers surpassed Asgard

#13 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38849 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jnr6Lil said:

@TheGoldenOne said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

Thor has already surpassed Odin

... Explain.

Odin want an heir who's powers surpassed Asgard

So Thor is already more powerful than Odin with the Odinforce because Odin wants an heir whose powers surpassed Asgard?
#14 Posted by Dernman (14766 posts) - - Show Bio

smh

#15 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7689 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheGoldenOne said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

@TheGoldenOne said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

Thor has already surpassed Odin

... Explain.

Odin want an heir who's powers surpassed Asgard

So Thor is already more powerful than Odin with the Odinforce because Odin wants an heir whose powers surpassed Asgard?

Essentially there's a good chance Thor was destined to surpass Odin since birth

#16 Edited by katanalauncher (937 posts) - - Show Bio

Should Odin be dead or hibernating w/o odin force?

#17 Edited by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheGoldenOne said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

@TheGoldenOne said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

Thor has already surpassed Odin

... Explain.

Odin want an heir who's powers surpassed Asgard

So Thor is already more powerful than Odin with the Odinforce because Odin wants an heir whose powers surpassed Asgard?

No, he doesn't really know how to use it close to as well as his dad. When he saved all the lost Asgardians on earth he fainted doing so. Odin would have done that easily. Odin with the Odin Force has restored galaxies, maybe destroyed some ( Classic Odin ), and in Fear Itself took one step and restored the whole earth. Thor will be extremly powerful, because of four stuff. 1 Being the son of Odin 2 Being the son of Gaea 3 Having the Odin Force 4 Runes Magic. With this he should be in Elder God level, but for me this should be much higher, maybe Abstract. There is a person on this site who has an interesting theory on Rune King Thor. Maybe he will show you.

@Deadcool said:

Just with his physical atributes, yeah; Thor is stronger than him and he still having the Thorforce.

Note: Odin lifts just 60 tons, as far as I know, but I can't remember the source, so, there is a posibility for me to be wrong.

Odin stomped Thor with brute force already.

Odin should be as strong or stronger than Vil, Ve, and Serpent without the Odin Force. Which all should stomp Thor hard.

#18 Posted by PowerHerc (81645 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin without the Odin-Force is not as powerful overall nor is he as strong, let alone stronger, than Thor.

#19 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

Odin stomped Thor with brute force already.

Odin should be as strong or stronger than Vil, Ve, and Serpent without the Odin Force. Which all should stomp Thor hard.

Oh really?! I missed that, which issue? I haven't been reading Fraction's Thor

#20 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deadcool said:

@jeanroygrant said:

Odin stomped Thor with brute force already.

Odin should be as strong or stronger than Vil, Ve, and Serpent without the Odin Force. Which all should stomp Thor hard.

Oh really?! I missed that, which issue? I haven't been reading Fraction's Thor

Twice.

1)

2)

#21 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant: I expected something different.

#22 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deadcool said:

@jeanroygrant: I expected something different.

Like what.

#23 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant: I epected a depowered version of Odin without odinforce, Odin hitting Thor doesn't mean that he is stronger.

#24 Posted by Z3RO180 (6331 posts) - - Show Bio

in tearms of power odin is way more powerful and stronger

#25 Posted by greenteaforme (1826 posts) - - Show Bio

Gaea's children are extremely powerful.

This most powerful of Gaea's children is "Atum the God Eater". He ate several different pantheons' versions of gods of the dead. Atum has consumed multipled gods, fought the serpent Set to exhaustion (an Elder God), and is the sole reason the Elder Gods were defeated and set from the mortal plane of earth. He has consumed multiple Elder Gods, including Thor. Atum was one of the most powerful entities in the entire Marvel universe. He only "died" because he absorbed too many gods to contain and their energies radiated out of him in an explosion. Dying because you ate too many gods is not exactly a sign of weakness.

Thor is siblings with Atum. Thor is the child of an Elder God, and I'd assume that most of his power actually comes from Gaea and not Odin, as Odin has other children that are not on the same level as Thor.

#26 Posted by Enyalios (141 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin has never been depicted without the Odin Force, so absolute conclusive statements that Thor is more powerful cannot be made. However, inferences can be made based on three main factors:

1: No Asgardian even comes close to Thor's strength or durability levels. Even those who are supposed to be stronger than the average Asgardians don't break the 50 ton range. Loki used to be described as being in the 75 ton range, but that was specifically stated to be because of his giant blood. Even if Odin was the strongest of the Asgardians, he's probably not going to be twice as strong as the strongest Asgardian and even if he is, its well known Thor is far beyond the 100 ton range. Balder and Tyr, Thor's brothers and full Asgardians, are in the 40-50 ton bracket.

2: All the powers that Odin possess comes from the Odin Force and/or Rune magic. We've never seen Odin do anything that was considered him doing it without the aid of these two power sources. Mjolnir enhances Thor's powers and gives him some cool tricks to use, but it doesn't power him. Thor isn't the god of Thunder because of Mjolnir but because that's his birthright. He can call down storms, control the earth, etc without the use of Mjolnir, the hammer simply allows him to focus his energies and enhance the outcomes.

3: When we did see Thor gain possession of the Odinforce and the Runes, in essence, when he was granted the same powers as his father's, it was heavily implied that he had surpassed Odin in power by a significant margin. Indeed, he broke the Ragnorok cycle and caused fear in those who preyed on it, fear that they never showed for Odin, and Odin knew that he did not possess the power neccessary to end the cycle, but Thor did.

None of this is taking into consideration, as stated above, the nature of Gaia's children. Her children were the titans of old, the beings that came before the skyfathers. ALL of her children are powerful.

So while we can't see with absolute certainty one way or the other, its an easy assumption to make that Odin, without the Odinforce, is weaker than Thor, probably by a huge margin.

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