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    Obi-Wan Kenobi was a Jedi Knight who was instructed by Qui-Gon Jinn and he himself taught Anakin Skywalker. Both Kenobi and Anakin fought in the Clone Wars which led to Anakin turning to the dark side and betraying the order. Obi-Wan hid on the planet Tatooine where he watched over Anakin's son Luke, whom he began training to be a Jedi, like his father once was.

    Where would Obi-Wan rank among most powerful Jedi's?

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    #1  Edited By coolguyr99
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    #2  Edited By SirMethos

    He wouldn't.

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    #4  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator

    Most powerful? No. Among the best duelists? Perhaps.

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    #5  Edited By JSH92

    I'd say he's pretty high around the top. He defeated two Sith. And, he scared away those Tusken Raiders too.

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    OP never said anything about Top 10, just where in the top, so he would probably be in the Top 100's.

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    #7  Edited By Emperorb777

    Top spot.

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    #8  Edited By ShootingNova

    Not among the most powerful, but one of the most experienced, I guess. As a duelist, he also ranks quite highly.

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    #9  Edited By Malonius

    Obi-wan is the ideal Jedi Knight, but by no means near the top in terms of Force wielding. That he was able to hang with Maul and Vader says a lot for his dueling skills.

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    #11  Edited By KnightRise

    More opinions won't hurt

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    #12  Edited By calltomagic

    he must be some sort of badass if be becomes a ghost. or do they all do that?

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    #13  Edited By Deranged Midget

    He's powerful, but nothing would list him among the top force users in the history of the Jedi Order. That doesn't mean he wasn't powerful perse, but he was more recognized for his morality and skills as a duelist.

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    #14  Edited By Teerack

    He was arguably the second strongest Jedi at the time of the movies, but if you go all the way thought the jedi history he wasn't that amazing.

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    #15  Edited By coolguyr99

    @JediXMan: @ShootingNova: Would he rank in the top 10 for Jedi duellists?

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    @Teerack said:

    He was arguably the second strongest Jedi at the time of the movies, but if you go all the way thought the jedi history he wasn't that amazing.

    Doubtful, Yoda and Mace Windu hold the top two positions I reckon. I would say however that Obi-Wan is in the top 5.

    @Malonius said:

    Obi-wan is the ideal Jedi Knight, but by no means near the top in terms of Force wielding. That he was able to hang with Maul and Vader says a lot for his dueling skills.

    He is definitely not the ideal Jedi knight.

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    #17  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator

    @guttridgeb said:

    @Teerack said:

    He was arguably the second strongest Jedi at the time of the movies, but if you go all the way thought the jedi history he wasn't that amazing.

    Doubtful, Yoda and Mace Windu hold the top two positions I reckon. I would say however that Obi-Wan is in the top 5.

    Luke Skywalker holds #1.

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    @JediXMan said:

    @guttridgeb said:

    @Teerack said:

    He was arguably the second strongest Jedi at the time of the movies, but if you go all the way thought the jedi history he wasn't that amazing.

    Doubtful, Yoda and Mace Windu hold the top two positions I reckon. I would say however that Obi-Wan is in the top 5.

    Luke Skywalker holds #1.

    In the expanded universe he is. Taking the films alone, he doesn't show enough power to warrant being given the top place.

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    #19  Edited By Malonius

    @guttridgeb said:

    @Teerack said:

    He was arguably the second strongest Jedi at the time of the movies, but if you go all the way thought the jedi history he wasn't that amazing.

    Doubtful, Yoda and Mace Windu hold the top two positions I reckon. I would say however that Obi-Wan is in the top 5.

    @Malonius said:

    Obi-wan is the ideal Jedi Knight, but by no means near the top in terms of Force wielding. That he was able to hang with Maul and Vader says a lot for his dueling skills.

    He is definitely not the ideal Jedi knight.

    He's honorable, compassionate, skillful, disciplined, wise, humble, loyal....what's not ideal?

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    #20  Edited By JamesKM716

    @Malonius: He falls in love several times, and gives in to his emotions more than the "ideal" Jedi would.

    Thanks for the almost-call out.

    As Nova and JXM said, He isn't one of the most powerful Jedi, those go to Luke, Yoda, and Satele Shan (arguably)

    Honestly, i'm not even entirely convinced of his dueling abilities. Perhaps top ten, but i don't think he'd make it too much further than that.

    On another, offtopic, note, , and We should have a discussion about the Top Ten Jedi, kinda like that Sith one that started and never finished.

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    #21  Edited By KnightRise

    @JamesKM716 said:

    Thanks for the almost-call out.

    As Nova and JXM said, He isn't one of the most powerful Jedi, those go to Luke, Yoda, and Satele Shan (arguably)

    Honestly, i'm not even entirely convinced of his dueling abilities. Perhaps top ten, but i don't think he'd make it too much further than that.

    Haha you're welcome

    On another, offtopic, note, , and We should have a discussion about the Top Ten Jedi, kinda like that Sith one that started and never finished.

    Yes. Do. That. Maybe break it into categories.

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    #22  Edited By JamesKM716

    @KnightRise: I'm down for it, just depends if the others are.

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    #23  Edited By Dayvid3

    In the book ROTS the masters seemed to think pretty highly of him. And he generally got the job done without being a general jerk (take notes yoda and windu), so personality points. He might not have the highest force power, but he was good and effective. He did take down the chosen one in his prime.

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    #24  Edited By ShootingNova

    @JamesKM716: I had a brief talk about Silver, but yeah........ it wasn't too good, LOL. But maybe with more people around, he might reconsider. Though we'll have to wait until he gets active again.

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    #25  Edited By ShootingNova

    @coolguyr99 said:

    @JediXMan: @ShootingNova: Would he rank in the top 10 for Jedi duellists?

    Hmm........ probably around 6, or a bit less.

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    #26  Edited By Malonius

    @JamesKM716: Which stories? I'm unfamiliar with EU Obi-wan.

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    @Malonius: In addition to what JamesKM716 said, twice in the films Obi-Wan used forbidden marks of contact that are considered Dark side techniques (against Maul in Phantom Menace and Vader in Revenge of the Sith).

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    @JamesKM716: @ShootingNova: I'm happy to help if you guys want. I doubt you'd need me though :)

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    #29  Edited By Markus_Langbourn

    Obi-Wan is Top 5 duelists definitely. The Master of Soresu. 
     
    As for Force users, probably top 15. 

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    #30  Edited By SoA

    tenth place in top ten

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    #31  Edited By JamesKM716

    @Markus_Langbourn: I highly doubt he's in the top 5. There are other Jedi that are simply signifacently faster than Kenobi.

    @guttridgeb: The more the merrier!

    @ShootingNova: I figure we could start now and continue when he joins in?

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    #32  Edited By ShootingNova

    @JamesKM716: Agreed with all.

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    @JamesKM716: @ShootingNova: Would it be an idea to do it in a PM or a different thread so as to avoid hijacking this one?

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    #34  Edited By theTimeStreamer

    master in the lightsaber, master in jedi mind tricks. all in all in the top 20. dont know what it takes to become a force ghost but if qui-gon jin could do it...........

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    #35  Edited By JamesKM716

    @guttridgeb: Or just make a thread for it.

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    #36  Edited By ShootingNova

    @guttridgeb: Preferrably a PM.

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    #37  Edited By KnightRise

    @ShootingNova said:

    @guttridgeb: Preferrably a PM.

    Theres not much I'd be able to add to the conversation, but definitely add me to the group PM. I'd love to hear what you guys have to say

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    #38  Edited By Malonius

    @guttridgeb said:

    @Malonius: In addition to what JamesKM716 said, twice in the films Obi-Wan used forbidden marks of contact that are considered Dark side techniques (against Maul in Phantom Menace and Vader in Revenge of the Sith).

    Interesting. I'm not familiar with all the dueling lore. Care to elaborate?

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    #39  Edited By ShootingNova

    @Malonius said:

    Interesting. I'm not familiar with all the dueling lore. Care to elaborate?

    Obi-Wan never utilized Rage against Vader on Mustafar, at all. In fact, he did the opposite, he let go.

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    #40  Edited By ShootingNova

    @KnightRise: You would be very welcome to contribute what you can.

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    @Malonius: Obi-Wan used a mark of contact called sai tok against Darth Maul. Sai tok involves slicing a foe through their waist/belly and is considered to be barbaric and evidence of the Dark side. Against Vader, he used mou kei which involves lopping off several limbs at once, it too is forbidden.

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    #42  Edited By Malonius

    @guttridgeb: Are you sure these marks of contact are never allowed for Jedi? I looked them up on Wookiepedia, which indicated that those moves are favored by the Sith for the brutal message they send, but that Jedi can use them as last resorts. Obi-wan was fighting out of his league in both fights and needed to win. He wasn't using these moves maliciously or to make some kind of brutal point. He did seem angry right after Maul killed his Master, but not when he cut Maul in half. I didn't see any problem with Obi-wan vs. Vader. Obi-wan even warned Vader what was about to happen. Walking away without putting Anakin out of his misery seemed more cruel.

    Thanks for the info though. I love how developed this stuff is.

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    @Malonius: Yeah, one of the main reasons I love Star Wars so much is because of the detail put into the franchise.

    According to The Jedi Path, both are forbidden. I'll give you the exact quotes:

    Sai tok slices an entire body into two halves. This act is rightly considered barbaric and evidence of the furious emotions of the dark side. Unless you're fighting droids, no student of mine should ever use sai tok.
    Mou kei is a forbidden variant, literally meaning "to dismember". It involves the act of cutting through several limbs at once. You should never need to use mou kei against a living being given the alternatives.

    Both taken from The Jedi Path.

    This does leave it a bit open to interpretation and Jedi could use them in extreme situations such as Obi-Wan's fight with Maul. However, given Obi-Wan's great skill with his lightsaber and his higher ground advantage, I believe he could have avoided the use of mou kei against Vader had it not been for the emotional strain of the situation. As far as I'm concerned, this does nothing to make Obi-Wan seem bad but to be the perfect Jedi, he would of had to play exactly by the rules.

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    #44  Edited By Malonius

    @guttridgeb: Awesome. So is there a Jedi considered the perfect role model of the Jedi Code?

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    @Malonius: As far as we know, there are plenty. There are a lot of Jedi that we know very little about so we cannot say whether they had a brief error in judgement or if they truly are perfect jedi.

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    I know this is an old thread, but I wanted to put my 2 cents in. As far as force powers, he doesn't rank that highly. However as a duelist he has to be top 5 easily. I'd correct those who said he beat 2 Sith lords. If you include the EU, he defeated 3 (Darth Krayt). Now this is where I think he is the greatest Jedi and what sets him apart: He is perhaps the most cunning and resourceful Jedi of all time. That has to count for something.

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    Possibly Top Five overall.

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    Top 3 if u guys haven't seen rebels he outmatches maul in 2 seconds, and speaking about duelists he might handle his own with Mace even mace windu said that not even him could possibly break kenobi's guard

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    Top 3 duelists, at the time of order 66 mace was older and more experienced if you compare them at the same age it would be a close fight

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