Off My Mind: What Made Norman Osborn Evil
The identity of Green Goblin wasn't known at the beginning, nor were his motivations. He was simply a mysterious villain with a laboratory that designed a flying broomstick and wore a Goblin costume. When he first met with the Enforcers, he quickly took control of them and made plans to help them get revenge against Spider-Man.
Readers didn't discover Green Goblin's identity until 25 issues later in Amazing Spider-Man #39 but Norman made his first appearance as the father of Peter Parker's friend, Harry, in issue #37. Even from his first appearance as Harry's father, you could tell what sort of man he was.
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As both Norman Osborn and Green Goblin, he's done some bad things such as steal from and frame his business partner, had an affair with and later killed Peter's girlfriend Gwen Stacy, he was responsible for the Clone Saga, took over S.H.I.E.L.D. and replaced it with HAMMER along with several other dastardly deeds.
Similar to Joker, it could be said that the involvement of chemicals could be responsible for Norman's wicked ways. In using a formula to enhance his strength, intelligence, healing factor and stamina, he also became mentally insane.
The way he ran his business and what he did to Mendel Stromm shows that he had some bad inclinations before taking the serum. Norman grew up in a wealthy and powerful family. When his father lost most of the family fortune, he became abusive towards Norman. This could have been the beginning of Norman's dark transformation.
Norman actually got the idea of the Green Goblin from a childhood fear. In trying to teach him to over come a fear of darkness. His father locked him in their old house during a stormy night. Young Norman felt he could hear the spirits of those that had died there surrounding him. Each time lightning struck and the thunder rumbled, he thought he could hear the "unearthly chittering of a green, goblin-like creature." Each time lightning would strike, he would expect the goblin to attack him. This made him long for the darkness and hate the light.
The lesson Norman learned that night was to accept his fate. The Goblin was a part of him. He decided you had to accept the unknown or be devoured by it.
Was this the moment Norman snapped? One could only imagine what other "lessons" his father tried teaching him over the years (such as making him kill the family dog, stating it was an unnecessary extra mouth to feed).
Norman wasn't completely evil as he did manage to fall in love in college. This could have been his way to allow some light back into his life. When Emily died shortly after the birth of Harry, Norman turned his back on everything except for his business. It became his new obsession.
Somewhere along the way, he decided ruling the business world wasn't enough. Inspired by that lesson his father taught him and the recollection of the "Goblin" that was a part of him, he created the Green Goblin persona to rule the criminal underworld.
What makes Norman so evil? His revelation as a child told him the Goblin was a part of him. It's possible that he always had potential for evil inside him. The actions of Norman's father suggest he could have suffered from some mental illness and Norman could have inherited some of it. The abuse he suffered as a child and the loss of his one true love only compounded the darkness inside. The eventual ingestion of the Goblin formula was enough to push him over the edge.
Did Norman choose to be evil? Was embracing the darkness an easier way for him to deal with everything? The combination of his insanity, intelligence and evil ways is what makes him such a deadly villain. With Norman currently locked up and the seeds of his next plan slowly being revealed, we should all expect something bad to happen very soon.
Somewhere along the way, he decided ruling the business world wasn't enough. Inspired by that lesson his father taught him and the recollection of the "Goblin" that was a part of him, he created the Green Goblin persona to rule the criminal underworld.
I have to disagree with this assumption. It wasn't until after the explosion and the subsequent brain damage it caused that he decided that with his new strength, intelligence and access to scientific devices that he could become the greatest costumed supervillain ever (Amazing Spiderman 40).
He never ran his business in an evil manner or with evil intent, was no more of a hardnose that J Jonah Jameson was depicted.
His 'evil' aspect could easily be centered and based around the accident he had. Psychologically, only his obssesive attitude for achieving the goals he sets for himself and willingness to achieve them no matter what is what would make him evil.
With Norman the evil comes down to choice. As stated in the article he chose to embrace the darkness inside him. He later chose to do what he did to Mendel Stromm and chose to take the Goblin Serum. The seed was already planted. The insanity came later.
Maybe he was already crazy, I mean all he needed is a little jog to the madness, unlike Harry he wasn't that crazy from the beggining, maybe for that reason he is sane now, despite the fact that he drank the formula like his father. Same thing would apply with the Joker, he have been always crazy, but he never crossed the line as the hood, nbut now that he is complete crazy, now his mind free.
The Madness is just another point of view of an existing self.
Perhaps my interpretation of issue 14 is different, as Green Goblin hires the Enforcers with the intention of them to be his luitenants for his criminal syndicate after they defeat Spider-Man. Having nothing to do with OsCorp itself, but his Green Goblin persona.
Can't seem to find reference for Norman stealing from his own company, but then how does one steal from one's own company? He obviously used his own companys resources to financee his Green Goblin weapons. That's hardly stealing, but using his own resources for his own purpose.
As for Mendal Stromm, Norman caught him embezzeling funds, which is why he sent him to jail, further proven in issue 37 when Mendal used money he stashed away to build his robots.
As for the Enforcers, he just came in and said, you're working for me.
And issue 23 showed him talking to another gang.
Norman, like Dexter Morgan has a dark passenger. the right events acted as a catalyst to bring it out, and in a negative way, also
giving the other person power. He tried suppressing his bad thoughts and motivations instead of dealing with them and consoling his
friends and family, and they grew into something greater. to quote Red Dragon, Norman wasnt a monster, he was a man with a monster on
Funny you bring up cereal. That came up twice in my interview with Osborn writer, Kelly Sue DeConnick.
" I am so darned tired of Norman Osborn. He should've stayed dead. Having said that, the reason Osborn is evil is because he never got to eat "Count Chocula" cereal as a kid. "
Granted. However, Green Goblin's plan was to take over Lucky Lobo's gang in issue 23 to start up his criminal empire. Not to hire himself out.
And as for the Enforcers, they initally tell Green Goblin they don't take orders from anyone. It isn't until Green Goblin offers them a chance at revenge against Spider-Man that they accept his deal.
I'm simply saying, it wasn't until the explolsion (and let me stress he never actually drank the serum) that caused him to want to be a criminal mastermind, or consider wearing the Green Goblin costume to do it. His progression of evil basically snowballed beyond his initial intentions (as is wont to happen in comic books).
Also, Norman going over Stromm's notes to cash in on them isn't really shady. Stromms work would have been the property of OsCorp anyway. Norman would be seeing if he could salvage something from his notes. Good business practice.
Perhaps Dr. Doom is more in align with your view of Green Goblin. As it wasn't the accident that scarred Victors face that made him become Dr. Doom, but was a catalyst that led to a specific path that took him to be Dr. Doom. Even if Victor never had the accident, he still would have become Dr. Doom, Without the accident happening to Norman, he never would have become the Green Goblin.
I made/am making this poster of comic book characters including Green Goblin, Iron Patriot, and 964 more characters... if anyone has the time here's the full list....
1 TOP ROW LEFT TO RIGHT
1.Spider-Man 2.Nighthawk 3.Madame Masque 4.Jesse Custer 5.Tulip O’Hare 6.The Plutonian 7.Death 8.Robot 9.Guardian 10.Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) 11.Collossus 12.Red Robin 13.Dr. Doom 14.Deadman 15.Archangel 16.Shotaro Kaneda (Epic Comics) 17.Black Panther 18.Marv 19.Starlight 20.Kraven the Hunter 21.Madman 22.Psylocke 23.Rick Grimes 24.Humbug 25.Human Shield 26.Venom 27.Cheetah 28.Baron Zemo 29.Citizen V 30. Atom Eve 31.Nick Fury 32.Poison Ivy 33.Cobra (Marvel Comics) 34.Justice 35.Tommy 36.The Killer 37.Fantomah 38.Dark Phoenix 39.John Constantine 40.The Punisher 41.Donna Troy 42.Deadpool 43.Brainiac (Robot) 44.Ghost Rider (Danny Ketch) 45.Solar 46.Maverick 47.Dr. Manhattan 48.HYDRA agent 49.Monarch 50.Magician 51.Zealot 52.Super-Adaptoid 53.The Saint of Killers 54.Moon Knight 55.Nausicaa 56.Captain Marvel (Genis-Vell) 57.Little Barda 58.Zombie 59.Silver Banshee 60.Constrictor 61.Black Flash 62.Elektra 63.Judge Death 64.Hobgoblin 65.Jolt 66.Batgirl (Cassandra Cain) 67.Diamondback 68.Brother Voodoo 69.Abe Sapien 70.Kei Kishimoto 71.Captain America 72.Dust 73.Mirage 74.Black Widow 75.Batman
2 SECOND ROW
76.Hawkeye 77.Mockingbird 78.Jack-in-the-Box 79.Sabretooth 80.Agent Orange 81.Man-Thing 82.Hellboy 83.Diabolik 84.Thanos 85.The Ray 86.Changeling 87.Clayface (Basil Karlo) 88.White Tiger 89.Backlash 90.Asp 91.Kuro 92.Stingray 93.Violator 94.Jocasta 95.Warblade 96.Master Pandemonium 97.Black Canary 98.Black Bolt 99.Red Hulk 100.Animal Man 101.Space Ghost 102.Union Jack 103.Kid MiracleMan 104.Avalon 105.Green Arrow (Connor Hawke) 106.Forge 107.Ravager 108.Captain Universe 109.Mighty Mouse 110.Rusty 111.Tank-Girl 112.Caliban 113.Dark Claw 114.Vertigo 115.Doc Savage 116.High Evolutionary 117.The Tick 118.Harpoon 119.The Shadow 120.Electro 121.Unknown Soldier 122.Maggie Chascarrillo 123.Hopey Glass 124.Bastion 125.Swamp Thing 126.Dororo 127.Scud 128.The Collector 129.Barb Wire 130.Wolverine 131.Captain Marvel (Billy Batson) 132.Gravity 133.General Glory 134.Magog 135.Ghost 136.MiracleMan 137.Gail 138.Smax 139.Vindicator 140.Checkmate 141.Dr. Strange 142. Ten 143.Jimmy Woo 144.Hellstrike 145.Wonder Girl
3 THIRD ROW
146.A-Train 147.Phoenix 148.00.05 149.Proteus 150.Void 151.Superboy 152.Power Man 153.Iron Fist 154.Doctor Light (Kimiyo Hoshi) 155.Devil-Slayer 156.Lady Shiva 157.Omega Sentinel 158.Sinestro 159.Allan Quatermain 160.Painkiller Jane 161.Astro Boy 162.Toxin 163.Obsidian 164.Killraven 165.Black Manta 166.Franklin Richards 167.Omni-Man 168.The Lizard 169.The Goon 170.Impossible Man 171.Warlock 172.Cobra (Shueisha Comics) 173.Jack O’Lantern 174.Captain Canuck 175.Whiplash 176.Kick-Ass 177.Toyman 178.Donatello 179.The Flash (Barry Allen) 180.ULTIMATUM agent 181.Azumi 182.Big Guy 183. Phoncible P. "Phoney" Bone 184.The Kingpin 185.Zoom 186.Silver Samurai 187.Hitman 188.Jubilee 189.Sgt.Rock 190.The Destroyer 191.Cassandra Nova 192.Kamandi 193.Shatterstar 194.Harvey Pekar 195.Orion 196.Yellow Claw 197.Cheshire 198.X-cutioner 199.Mitchell Hundred 200.Green Goblin 201.Ka-Zar 202.Smiley Bone 203.Sunspot 204.Deathblow 205.Ganthet 206.Dreadknight 207.Gold 208.Corsair 209.Boba Fett 210.Swordsman 211.Phantasm 212.Turok 213.Saint Walker 214.The Thing 215.Judomaster 216.Blade 217.Fray
4 FOURTH ROW
218.Songbird 219.Tomar-Re 220.The Greatest American Hero 221.Owlman 222.Optimus Prime 223.Black Tom Cassidy 224.Brainiac 225.Tarot 226.Moloid 227.Moleman 228.Ultraman 229.Strong Guy 230.Gentleman Ghost 231.Kree Soldier 232.Rei Ayanami 233.Black M9.Shrinking Violet 240.Patriot 241.Terra 242.Halo USNC Marine 243.Damian Wayne 244.Mercury 245.Maxwell Lord 246.Hellcat 247.Leviathan 248.Velocity 249.The Nite Owl (Hollis Mason) 250.Rocket Red 251.Hope Summers 252.Negative Man 253.The Hand ninja 254.Clock King 255.Rusty 265.Skids 266.Catwoman 267.Overt-Kill 268.Triplicate Girl 269.Anti-Venom 270.Kamen Rider 271.Dr. Druid 272.Captain Boomerang 273.Armadillo 274.The Key 275.Phantom Rider 276.Lady Blackhawk 277.Scorpio 278.Red Hood 279.Angel 280.Kilowog 281.Pixie 282.Araña 283.Kobra 284.Mega.OMAC 288.Ryu
5 FIFTH ROW
289.Nightcrawler 290.Amanda Waller 291.Mephisto 292.Abbey Chase 293.The Confessor 294.Usagi Yojimbo 295.Super-Skrull 296.The Hooded Justice 297.Sentinel 298.Mr. Mxyzptlk 299.She-Hulk 300.Dr. Fate 301.Beast 302.Sandman (Morpheus) 303.Helllstorm 304.Two-Face 305.Cable 306.Voodoo 307.The Rose 308.The Nite Owl (Dan Dreiberg) 309.Lightning Lad 310.V 311.Dr. Octopus 312.Scarecrow 313.The Vanisher 314.Lex Luthor 315.The Mask 316.Blue Beetle (Ted Kord) 317.The Beetle 318.The Drummer 319.Anaconda 320.Dwight 321.Lilandra 322.The Creeper 323.Deathlok 324.The Redeemer 325.Rockslide 326.Alfred Pennyworth 327.Shi 328.The Mandarin 329.Clayface (Cassius Payne) 330.Chance 331.Mage 332.Magus 333.Dove 334.Night Thrasher 335.Cerebus 336.Beta Ray Bill 337.Max Mercury 338.Komodo 339.Black Lightning 340.The Leader 341.Mr.Miracle 342.Power Princess 343.Wonder Woman 344.Madcap 345.Hawkgirl 346.Blue Devil 347.Hyperion 348.Rasputin 349.Fin Fang Foom 350.Krypto 351.Black Knight 352.Star Sapphire 353.Aunt May 354.Elijah Snow 355.Crossbones 356.Catgirl 357.Rorshcach 358.Iron Patriot
6 SIXTH ROW
359.Major Motoko Kusanagi 360.Mr. Fantastic 361.Bane 362.Ash 363.Professor X 364.Yellow Bastard 365.Emma Frost 366.The Crypt Keeper 367.The Blob 368.Rose Red 369.Namor the Sub Mariner 370.Ra’s al Ghul 371.Casey Jones 372.Mr.Freeze 373.Iceman 374.Firestar 375.Starfire 376.Sunfire 377.Bucky O’Hare 378.Shadowhawk 379.Firelord 380-381. Kitty Pryde w/Lockheed 382.Firestorm 383.Northstar 384.Titanium Man 385.Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner) 386.Ronin 387.Supreme 388.Sabra 389.Black Adam 390.Medieval Spawn 391.The Rocketeer 392.Azrael 393.Cutter 394.Bucky 395.The Crow 396.Comet Man 397.Freefall 398.Ant-Man (Scott Lang) 399.Silk Spectre II 400.Star-Lord 401.The Immortal 402.Titania 403.Beast Boy 404.Klaw 405.Dr. Bong 406.The Green Hornet 407.Master of the World 408.Bethany 409.Gambit 410.Kevin 411.Blackheart 412.Elongated Man 413.The Grandmaster 414.Aquaman 415.Monkey D. Luffy 416.The Eradicator 417.Moonstone 418.Killer Frost 419.Silvermane 420.Killer Croc 421.Red Wolf 422.Parasite 423.Arcade 424.Green Lantern (John Stewart)
7 SEVENTH ROW
425.Spider Jerusalem 426.Stryfe 427.The Scorpion 428.Bronze Tiger 429.Captain Britain 430.Maul 431.Scalphunter 432.Light Lass 433-434.Yorick Brown (w/Ampersand) 435.Nitro 436.The Comedian 437.Gwen Stacy 438.Ferrin Colos 439.Annihilus 440.Bat-Mite 441.The Mekon 442.Dr. Sivana 443.The Jackal 444.Liz Sherman 445.Raza Longknife 446.Darkseid 447.Sasquatch 448.The Emerald Empress 449.D-Man 450.Ocean Master 451.Bushmaster 452.Chameleon Boy 453.Martha Washington 454.Vanguard 455.Gatsu 456.Carnage 457.Eben Olemaun 458.Cannonball 459.Enid Coleslaw 460.Morbius 461.Robin (Tim Drake) 462.Wolfsbane 463.Doctor Mid-Nite 464.Conan 465.Wendigo 466.Lady Death 467.Black Condor 468.The Badger 469.Cyborg Superman 470.Doop 471.Joyboy 472.Xerxes 473.Hush 474.Morgan le Fay 475.Gorilla Grodd 476.Mr. Majestic 477.Captain Cold 478.Wonder Man 479.Superman (Red Son) 480.The Enchantress 481.Jade 482.Cottonmouth 483.The Huntress 484.Mystique
8 EIGHTH ROW
485.Vigilante 486.The Rhino 487.Goku 488.Mary Marvel 489.Attuma 490.Power Girl 491.Drax 492.Saturn Girl 493.Kurse 494.Silver Sable 495.Jimmy Olsen 496.Mr.Immortal 497.Libra 498.Chronic 499.Mirror Master 500.Speedball 501.Radioactive Man 502.The Sphinx 503.The Penguin 504.Gladiator 505.Impulse 506.Bishop 507.Atrocitus 508.Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew) 509.Jughead Jones 510.Kang 511.Bulletman 512.Spider-Man(Black Costume) 513-514.Groo the Wanderer w/Rufferto 515.Fabian Cortez 516.Deena Pilgrim 517.Hawkman 518.Captain Haddock 519.Batgirl (Barbara Gordon) 520.Warpath 521.Shining Knight 522.Domino 523.The 10th Muse 524.Box 525.Static 526.Wtchblade 527.Prime 528.Boomerang 529.Javelin 530.Hydro-Man 531.”Prof.” Haley 532.The Spectre 533.Stature 534.Doctor Light (Arthur Light) 535.Omega 536.Ares (Marvel Comics) 537.Atom-Smasher 538.Sin-Eater 539.The Governor
9 NINTH ROW
540.Daredevil 541.Shaft 542.Adam Warlock 543.The Maxx 544.Zatanna 545.Madame Hydra 546.Lobo 547.J. Jonah Jameson 548.Katchoo 549.The Vision 550.The Spirit 551.Moonstar 552.Mongol 553-554.Tetsujin-28 w/Shotaro Kaneda(Kobunsha Publishing) 555.Kenshiro 556.Robin (Stephanie Brown) 557.Arseface 558.Death’s Head II 559.Destiny (DC Comics) 560.Jayna 561.Shaman 562.Leonardo 563.Sider-Man 2099 564.Trick Shot 565.Lois Lane 566.The Whizzer 567.Prometheus 568.Hogun the Grim 569.Lono 570.Marrow 580.Galactus 581.The Silver Surfer 582.The Savage Dragon 583.Banshee 584.Superboy-Prime 585.Fairchild 586.The Prowler 587.Felix Faust 588.Ripclaw 589.Death Adder 590.Scourge 591.Despero 592.Dr. Spectrum 593.Typhoid Mary 594.Green Lantern (Alan Scott) 595.The Red Skull 596.Anti-Monitor 597.Psycho-Pirate 598.Dark Wolverine 599.The Midnighter 600.Apollo 601.Guardian 602.Sailor Moon 603.Wild Dog 604.Spider-Girl 605.Etrigan 606.Stilt-Man 607.Taskmaster 608.Ozymandias 609.Mr. Sinister 610.Stargirl 611.Black Cat
10 TENTH ROW
612.The Chameleon 613.Michaelangelo 614.Jonah Hex 615.Ikaris 616.Booster Gold 617.Bluntman 618.Nova (Richard Rider) 619.Waldo 620.Plastic Man 621.Energizer 622.Monarch Henchman 24 623.Stan Lee as Willie Lumpkin 624.Aztek 625.Quicksilver 626.Storm Shadow 627-628.The Falcon w/Redwing 629.The Flaming Carrot 630.Puck 631.Perry White 632.Vance Astro 633.Naruto Uzumaki 634.Shang-Chi 635.Tim Hunter 636.The Hate-Monger 637.Adam Strange 638.Clea 639.Scott Pilgrim 640.MODOK 641.Manhunter (Kate Spencer) 642.Tiger Shark 643.Agent Kay 644.Hercules 645.Shredder 646.Thunderbird 647.Black Alice 648.The Beyonder 649.Red Sonja 650.Photon 651.Harley Quinn 652.The Joker 653.Jamie Madrox 654-655.Billy Butcher w/Terror 656.Aurora 657.Starman (Ted Knight) 658.Molly Hayes 659.Catman 660.Moondragon 661.Kakashi Hatake 662.Speed Demon 663.Guy Gardner 664.Wraith 665.Hawk 666.Sniper 667.Fritz the Cat 668.SuperPatriot 669.Starfox 670.Hourman 671.The Grand Director 672.Metamorpho 673.Mai Shen 674.Selene 675. Sláine 676.Magneto 677.Granny Goodness 678.Tombstone 679.Aphrodite IX 680.Sauron 681.Scarab 682.The Shocker 683.Papa Midnite 684.Black Mamba 685.The Flash (Jay Garrick) 686.Elixir 687.Batwoman
11 ELEVENTH ROW
688.Tom Strong 689.Shanna the She-Devil 690.Allen the Alien 691.Omega Red 692.The Shade 693.Jenny Sparks 694. The Right Smiley-Face Battlesuit 695.Eric the Red 696.Kei Kurono 697.Ragdoll 698.The Samaritan 699.Magik 700.Carl Seltz 701.The Juggernaut 702.Spartan 703.Miss Martian 704.The Vulture 705.The Ultra-Humanite 706.Balder the Brave 707.Robotman 708.The Grim Reaper 709.Nekra 710.Solomon Grundy 711.The Human Torch 712.Fire 713.Apocalypse 714.Famine 715.Strange Visitor 716.Grifter 717.Onslaught 718.Valor 719.Snowbird 720.Mr. Incredible 721.Madelyne Pryor 722.Fathom 723.Bullseye 724.Cassidy 725.Jewel 726.The Puma 727.The Question 728.Nomad 729.Concrete 730.Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze) 731.Metallo 732.Spider-Woman (Julia Carpenter) 733.Crimson Fox 734.Karma 735.Wildcat 736.The Abomination 737.The Phantom 738.The Scarlet Witch 739.Asterix 740.Marvel Girl 741.Alphonse Elric 742.Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) 743.Longshot 744.Spiral 745.Kid Flash 746.Loki 747.Golgoth 748.Heimdall 749.Seraphi angel
12 TWELFTH ROW
750.X 751.X-Man 752.The Phantom Stranger 753.Gammenon the Gatherer 754.Giganta 755.AIM agent 756.Angela 757.Machine Man 758.Nekron 759.Jimmy Corrigan 760.The MightyThor 761.Doomsday 762.Kenshin Himura 763.Bizarro 764.Gargoyle 765.Herr Starr 766.Mantis 767.Wildfire 768.Dawn 769.X-23 770.Grunge 771.Holocaust 772.Sandman (Wesley Dodds) 773.Baron Mordo 774.Mr. Terrific 775.Dupli-Kate 776.Uatu the Watcher 777.Blackhawk 778.Forbush Man 779.The Skull 780.Doc Samson 781.Deathstroke the Terminator 782.Blink 783.The Wasp 784.Widget 785. Ant-Man (Eric O’Grady) 786.Doraemon 787.Mojo 788.Darkhawk 789.Phantom Girl 790.Solo 791.Samurai 792.Havok 793.Polaris 794.Argent 795.Dozer 796.Absorbing Man 797.Martian Manhunter 798.Puppet Master 799.Raven 800.The Incredible Hulk 801.Cosmic Boy 802.Leech 803.Aqualad 804.Crystal 805.Timber Wolf 806.Rick Jones 807.Indigo-1 808.Sentry 809.Giant-Man 810.Howard the Duck 811.Ichigo Kurosaki 812.Phantom Lady 813.Rawhide Kid 814.Guyver 815.Red Tornado 816.Jack of Hearts 817.Vixen 818.Storm
13 THIRTEENTH ROW
819.Ms. Marvel 820.Black Hand 821.Vladek Spiegelman 822.Lady Deathstrike 823.The Riddler 824.Super-Patriot 825.Wee Hughie 826.Tigra 827.InuYasha 828.Eclipso 829.Paladin 830.Vandal Savage 831.Nova (Frankie Raye) 832.Supernova 833.Torpedo 834.Citizen Steel 835.Ken 836.Ares (DC Comics) 837.Pyro 838.The Warlord 839.Valkyrie 840.Commisioner Gordon 841.Jakita Warner 842.Hammerhead 843.General Zod 844.Puff Adder 845.Red Arrow 846.Ultron 847.Golgo 13 848.The Hood 849.Amazo 850.The Shroud 851.Spy Smasher 852.Black Tarantula 853.Deadshot 854.Goliath 855. Daigorō Ogami 856.Snake Eyes 857.Cloak 858.Dagger 859-860. Chance Falconer w/St.George 861.Fone Bone 862.Dormammu 863.Priam Agrivar 864.Ryuk 865.Rom 866.Scandal Savage 867.Iron Monger 868.Buddy Bradley 869.Jigsaw 870.Kabuki 871.Scrap 872.Destiny (Marvel Comics) 873.Mighty Man 874.General “Thunderbolt” Ross 875.Ice 876.The Toad 877.El Zombo Fantasma 878.SKULL agent 879.Flag-Smasher 880.Joe Sacco 881.Cobra Commander 882. Shinichi Gotō 883.Vril Dox 884.Boom Boom 885.Superman 886.Ambush Bug 887.Mimic 888.Nightwing 889.Red Guardian 890.Talia al Ghul 891.Alita
14 BOTTOM ROW
892.Invincible 893.Promethea 894-895.Pitt w/Timmy 896.Rogue 897.The Homelander 898.Lobster Johnson 899.Invisible Woman 900.Robin (Carrie Kelly) 901.Saturnyne 902.Judge Dredd 903.Guardsman 904.Abin Sur 905.Mysterio 906.The Atom 907.Deathbird 908.Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) 909.Mary Jane 910.Major Force 911.Death 912.Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) 913.Agent Graves 914.Dazzler 915.Captain Atom 916.Marvel Boy 917.Manhunter (android) 918.The Escapist 919.Iron Man 920.Nexus 921.Starman (Jack Knight) 922.Rex Splode 923.Colleen Wing 924.Artemis 925.Catseye 926.Jor-El 927.Spawn 928.Magma 929.Atomic Robo 930.Hellfire Club guard 931.Supergirl 932.Surge 933.Carl Grimes 934.Vulcan 935.Anarky 936.Red Monika 937.Crimson Dynamo 938.Savage Tales covergirl 939.The Darkness 940.Baron Wolfgang Von Strucker 941.Grendel 942.Vampirella 943.Leonidas 944.Superwoman 945.War Machine 946.Magnus 947.Meggan 948.Steel 949.Batroc 950.Cyborg 951.L 952.Zauriel 953.Sandman (William Baker) 954.The Wizard 955.Medusa 956.The Trapster 957.Katana 958.Xorn 959.Raphael 960.Avalanche 961-962.Tintin w/Snowy 963.Cyclops 964.Michonne 965.X-O Manowar 966.Toby Spiderman
oh yeah my reason for posting the list is I just wanted some feedback on who I left out.. I think I have Marvel well covered but for DC besides the usual big guns I had to do a lot of research... I thought this site would be a good way to get some feedback since I've been using it for a TON of research and reference pictures.. I've been working on this thing for 15 months! Thanks Comicvine I couldn't have done it without you.
Side note: Yea, seems in modern continuity writers are trying to do the bullshit of making Norman out to be this flawed human being who truly believes what he is doing as right in a Bush-esque character. That's kind of a like a girl who still tried to convince herself that her ex-boyfriend wasn't a complete jerk.
He's just a scared little boy with horrible daddy issues and a hatred for his own son. Seriously, his father put him through so much that he just sort of isolated himself. Then, he meets his college sweetheart, the only one who understood him enough to gain his trust and marry him. All's well and everything's great and then BOOM. She's dead because of Harry. Because of Harry's existence, the only one who Osborn can confide in, dies because he's born. So he tries to fall in love with his work and then he starts mixing these chemicals together which alter his way of thinking even further and then he just goes all out. Then along came Spider-Man. Spider-Man always ruined whatever Osborn's got planned, so Norman (being the genius he is) figures out who he is and breaks him. How does he do that? Killing the love of Peter's life. The only one who understood Peter. Sound familiar? So once Norman puts Peter through what he's had to go through, he just sort of dies. And then he comes back and then dies and comes back and, hey, if that happened to me I'd be pretty pissed off too.
Is he insane? No. Is he a psychopath? Absolutely. He knows full well the difference between right and wrong and he just doesn't care. It's all about what he wants.
" @Gambit1024 said:I'm going by the definition. Insanity is not knowing the difference between right and wrong. He clearly knows the difference, so I wouldn't call him insane. What would you call someone like that? Sociopath? Psychopath?"Is he insane? No."Hallucinating about a cackling green goblin doesn't make him insane? "
Ok this is what I've found:
psychopathy- a mental disorder in which an individual manifests amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc.
It could be said that Norman CAN be a psychopath, but I doubt it seeing as he's been in love before.
Legally, insanity is the inability to distinguish the difference between right and wrong, impairing decisions.
I think you're right on the money with Psychosis, though.
By legal definition of insanity, Norman Osborn doesn't fall into that category at all.
Despite his "Evil" ways, wearing a Halloween goblin costume, and talking to his monsterous boogeyman who likes to drive the meatsuit around when Normans having stressful moments doesn't excuse him from not knowing the difference from what is right and wrong and the fact that he had numerous oppurtunities or choices to change his evil ways or actions.
The guy has full conscious of his actions and he even was the second most powerful man in the Marvel Universe.
Hell, if you think im wrong, then ask President Obama why he thinks Norman's sane enough to run a good portion of the country withing Marvel Universe.
As for Norman being evil, funny how im convinced Norman is more evil than the Green Goblin.
It's quite impressive to look back at how this character evolved over the years..
He started as a simple "little" criminal.
And his now rooted in pure evil, Marvel Universe's ultimate villain. (behind most current "Epic" arcs)
And he's also quite a disturbing character, at least the writers are trying to make him as much disturbing as they can...
Anyone remembers Norman and Gwen...huh... special relationship..?? °____°
Eh, Norman's Evil (much more so without the Goblin suit IMO) but not do to his on and off mental instability. He's always been amoral and egocentric. It's even been hinted in the Marvels project that Norman may've been moonlighting as the goblin as early as the 40's, looong before he ingested the Goblin serum which altered his mind. And I don't think that he was necessarily evil recently. Amoral, yes. Fascistic, yes. "Evil" in that classic comic book sense of term, no. He disagreed with the black/white status quo and did what he felt was necessary to change it. He saw an opportunity to fix what he saw as a dated, approach to holding together a broken society during the Skrull invasion and seized it. Basically everything Ms. Hand said to Luke Cage about why she followed Norman before he cracked was true.
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