Hear me out! His Agility, strength, speed, and stamina he could get with being close to spiderman, only because he is a half demon and that should count for something. Other demons have superstrength like Black heart, Ghost Rider, Satana, Daimon Hellstorm.

Half Demon? I thought he was a mutant.

he's not half demon, he was just treated like one because of his appearance. it might be a good fight but spidey would probably win.

NO he doesn't have superhuman strenght. Original marvel universe lists him at 250lbs which is weaker than Daredevil, Iron Fist, Hawkeye, etc. If spiderman is now lifting 25 tons, he is 200 times stronger than Nighty. Even original spidey would be 80 times stronger.

Lady Tlieso says:

"he's not half demon, he was just treated like one because of his appearance. it might be a good fight but spidey would probably win."

His father was Azazael a demon and his mother is mystique a mutant. That makes him a half demon.

Valkaad says:

"NO he doesn't have superhuman strenght. Original marvel universe lists him at 250lbs which is weaker than Daredevil, Iron Fist, Hawkeye, etc. If spiderman is now lifting 25 tons, he is 200 times stronger than Nighty. Even original spidey would be 80 times stronger."

Dead on Valkaad.

Blackjuggy says:

"Lady Tlieso says:

"he's not half demon, he was just treated like one because of his appearance. it might be a good fight but spidey would probably win."

His father was Azazael a demon and his mother is mystique a mutant. That makes him a half demon. "

Nightcrawler's father was Erik Wagner a man from bavaria.

Azazel ( http://www.comicvine.com/azazel/40526/ ) wasn't a demon, he was just another kind of mutant, a Neyaphim. He was from biblical times and so they called him and his people demons. In the same way, they called mutants like Warren Worthington, angels or Cheyarafim, but they're not really angels.
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Valkaad says:

"Blackjuggy says:

"Lady Tlieso says:

"he's not half demon, he was just treated like one because of his appearance. it might be a good fight but spidey would probably win."

His father was Azazael a demon and his mother is mystique a mutant. That makes him a half demon. "

Nightcrawler's father was Erik Wagner a man from bavaria."

Go look up nightcrawler and look under friends & Family. I wasn't trying to say he is near spiderman strength or could they had written to be around his strength since he is a half demon.

Thanks for clearing that up

I already explained that his father was not a demon, but a mutant. And besides, even if his father had Spider-Man level strength (and he didn't) it wouldn't necessarily mean that he would.

You replied before I posted that

Blackjuggy says:

"Go look up nightcrawler and look under friends & Family. I wasn't trying to say he is near spiderman strength or could they had written to be around his strength since he is a half demon. "

They could have written him to be as strong as they wanted to, just like any other character, but they chose to limit him to normal human strength.

As long as I proved Valkaad wrong

Blackjuggy says:

"As long as I proved Valkaad wrong"

LOL

Blackjuggy says:

"As long as I proved Valkaad wrong"

But...you were wrong too.

Blackjuggy says:

"As long as I proved Valkaad wrong"

HOw did you prove me wrong?

Buckshot says:

"Blackjuggy says:

"As long as I proved Valkaad wrong"

But...you were wrong too."

About Azazel being a demon not about him not being nightcrawler's father.

So your saying Azazel is nightcrawlers father and not Erik Wagner

Valkaad says:

"Blackjuggy says:

"As long as I proved Valkaad wrong"

HOw did you prove me wrong?"

You Said Erik Wagner was his father and I was right when I said Azazel was his father.

Blackjuggy says:

"Valkaad says:

"Blackjuggy says:

"As long as I proved Valkaad wrong"

HOw did you prove me wrong?"

You Said Erik Wagner was his father and I was right when I said Azazel was his father. "

Did they change it? My OHOTHMU says that his father was Erik Wagner.

Valkaad says:

"Blackjuggy says:

"Valkaad says:

"Blackjuggy says:

"As long as I proved Valkaad wrong"

HOw did you prove me wrong?"

You Said Erik Wagner was his father and I was right when I said Azazel was his father. "

Did they change it? My OHOTHMU says that his father was Erik Wagner."

Erik Wagner is his adopted father.

Valkaad says:

"Blackjuggy says:

"Valkaad says:

"Blackjuggy says:

"As long as I proved Valkaad wrong"

HOw did you prove me wrong?"

You Said Erik Wagner was his father and I was right when I said Azazel was his father. "

Did they change it? My OHOTHMU says that his father was Erik Wagner."

Yeah they changed it. How old's your OHOTHMU?

Blackjuggy says:

"Valkaad says:

"Blackjuggy says:

"Valkaad says:

"Blackjuggy says:

"As long as I proved Valkaad wrong"

HOw did you prove me wrong?"

You Said Erik Wagner was his father and I was right when I said Azazel was his father. "

Did they change it? My OHOTHMU says that his father was Erik Wagner."

Erik Wagner is his adopted father. "

So technically he is still his father! So I wasn't wrong hahahahahahahhaah (maniacal laughter) hahahahahah

Forever says:

"Valkaad says:

"Blackjuggy says:

"Valkaad says:

"Blackjuggy says:

"As long as I proved Valkaad wrong"

HOw did you prove me wrong?"

You Said Erik Wagner was his father and I was right when I said Azazel was his father. "

Did they change it? My OHOTHMU says that his father was Erik Wagner."

Yeah they changed it. How old's your OHOTHMU?"

I was looking at the original.

Valkaad says:

"So technically he is still his father! So I wasn't wrong hahahahahahahhaah (maniacal laughter) hahahahahah"

lol

Valkaad says:

"I was looking at the original."

Mine are from '86. I think it's the second volume, but yeah they're always changing everything.

forever, juggs, buck, i'll catch you guys later.

Later.

NO smart@$%# comments about me literally catching you buckshot!

no way

I've seen Nightcrawler get knocked around by Graydon Creed, utlimately NC won, but still... Nightcrawler ins't anywhere near Spidey's strength

It is true that Kurt does not have super strength. But he has countless hours training and gaining experience in the danger room.

Nightcrawler is still peak human in every stat for his size and weight. I actully think he would have been better being sabretooths son but being possessed by Azazel and exocised out but left permanent demon effect on his appearance. Kinda like what happened to scarlet witch. That's if they made azazel a demon.