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Off My Mind: Should Hero Teams Have Secrets?

If they can't trust each other, can they be successful?

For the average superhero, the most important thing they have is their secret identity. If they have friends and family they want to protect, they can't allow their true identity to fall into the wrong hands. 
 
In 2005 we found out that Iron Man, Mr. Fantastic, Namor, Dr. Strange, Professor X and Black Bolt had been secretly meeting as the Illuminati for years. Their goal was to share information from time to time to prevent major catastrophes from occurring. Knowledge is power, right? 
 
These guys took it upon themselves to try to control the fate of the Marvel Universe. They didn't tell anyone, not their fellow teammates or even loved ones. Their secret just came out. The Avengers (and Medusa, Black Bolt's wife) just found out that these guys have kept this secret organization for years. Despite them having the best of intentions, is there any way they can be trusted on their respective teams? Is it okay to keep some secrets from fellow teammates?
  

Steve Rogers' reaction in The Avengers #9 might have been a tad extreme. The creation of the Illuminati occurred years before he became in charge of the security of the free world. But he does have a point. When heroes are facing super-powered villains, they need to know they have each other's backs. 
 
Going back to the secret identity, not all members of the New Avengers know Spider-Man's secret identity (since it was erased from everyone's memory and he's only re-told a select few). Can the Avengers truly trust Spider-Man? What's to prevent someone from trying to impersonate him and infiltrate the team? I suppose they wouldn't be able to mimic his charming personality. 
 
Being on a team is like having a deep personal relationship. Members should be brothers at arms. They have to be able to trust each other. If one member is hiding something from the others, it raises the question of what else they might be hiding. During a battle when lives are at stake, you need to have trust among team members.
 
Are there some secrets that must be kept? Was the burden the Illuminati kept too much for everyone to handle? Team members might be completely loyal but we have seen heroes suddenly turn to the dark side. When is it okay to keep secrets from your teammates? 
Lokheiton Jan. 28, 2011 at 5:31 a.m.
First! Well, I think that what the Illuminati did was useful for some time, but at the end it's better to told your friends because other way they could end up captured by skrulls and giving them DNA to make super-skrulls and a reason to invade the earth...
SCon Jan. 28, 2011 at 5:32 a.m.
Sure, they should have secrets and they should have trust. A part of trust is realizing there might be good reasons for secrets. There are no hard rules either way, should come down to specifics each and every time. 
superboyrocks13on Jan. 28, 2011 at 5:37 a.m.

i think they should tell there teamates some things while still haveing their secrets
SupremoMaximoon Jan. 28, 2011 at 5:38 a.m.
Spider Man needs to quit being a douche...
dondaschon Jan. 28, 2011 at 5:41 a.m.
I don't see how a member of any team can be expected to not withhold secrets.  Sometimes, it turns out badly such as in JLA when it was revealed the level of planning that Batman had undertaken should the JLA ever go rogue.
 
That was a truly enjoyable moment, surpassed only by the immense amount of wreckage that the Hulk inflicted on Dr. Strange, Iron Man, Reed Richards, etc during the Planet Hulk storyline. 
 
Secrets are inevitable.  Teams need to get used to it
 
Outside_85on Jan. 28, 2011 at 5:53 a.m.
Some secrets, like identities, have a good reason for staying hidden.
But creating a shadow government like the Illuminate or have secret kill switches should be known.
xerox_kitty moderator on Jan. 28, 2011 at 5:54 a.m.

Interesting point about Spidey sharing his identity with the Avengers.  He's never had to worry about team-mates before.  We all know how disastrous it can be if his identity is leaked to the public, so I don't blame him for not wanting to share it with a public org like the Avengers.

 

On the other hand, I've never been a fan of the Illuminati.  Some self appointed senior management of super heroes?  No thanks?  Management is boring at the best of times, even if it did involve super powers & saving the world.  If hero teams are going to network, sharing information to help save the universe... then they shouldn't hide in the shadows to do it.  Sure, they shouldn't broadcast it to the entire world... but it shouldn't be kept to a select few.
   

comicbikerscotton Jan. 28, 2011 at 5:56 a.m.

it makes the books interesting
weapon154on Jan. 28, 2011 at 6:01 a.m.
Of course! They should always plan for the worst... like Batman.
jubeiyagyuXon Jan. 28, 2011 at 6:08 a.m.
Steve rogers is a douche! Expecting everyone to suck up to him just because he is top cop now is a no-no.The Illuminati were formed before he was top and automatically he expects them to tell him about the Infinity gems? and he expects after this is all over to "put them back where we found them"? really Steve? really? 
Icemizeron Jan. 28, 2011 at 6:19 a.m.
Secrets make for good story telling. Not telling Batman they wiped his mind and Bats not telling the JLA he had plans to defeat them all was great. the only problem is that most secrets retcon things to a certain extent. The Illuminati retconned the entire Marvel Universe almost from the get go. Still I would prefer that to knowing everything. Much more fun.
kungnimaon Jan. 28, 2011 at 6:21 a.m.
What fellow avengers doesnt know about Spideys identity?
Tem-Temon Jan. 28, 2011 at 6:47 a.m.
I think its okay the have secrets. Some things would cause more harm than good if they got out as are proved every single time they do get out.
 
People argue that its impossible to trust someone who is keeping secrets but actions speak so much louder than words.
 
If someone has had your back, almost lay down their life for you, gone into battle beside you, day after day after day who really cares that they used to sleep with a person who is now your enemy?
 
You've trusted them to be there in the past, when you didn't know their secret and they always have been, so why does everyone always seem to leap to the conclusion that just because that person has a secert they arent going to be there anymore when they have been there every single time in the past.
 
People in comics need to judge people by what they do, not what they say and get over themselves. No one is entitled to know everything about everyone else. Ever.
MichaelSimpsonon Jan. 28, 2011 at 7:21 a.m.

Comics these days are just utter bullcrap!    

Krakoaon Jan. 28, 2011 at 7:27 a.m.
Communication between teammates is very important. We see a similar situation in the need for inter-departmental communication between the United States' various security organizations (i.e. the FBI, CIA, NSA, and Dept of Homeland Security). The key difference is that superheroes are individuals with private lives that probably play more of a role for them and consume more of their time than a typical government agent. If you're hiding something that endangers the lives of others senselessly, that's a problem and said secret has to be revealed. Otherwise, you don't have to mention every little thing, and I think each individual Avenger is mature and smart enough to know which secrets will come back to haunt them. As far as Spidey goes, that's frankly right on the border of acceptable and unacceptable. He has a lengthy reputation of being a trustworthy character that virtually any Marvel superhero can count on, but one's identity is a big deal. In terms of the Steve Rogers thing, he doesn't fit the Nick Fury type role Marvel has given him. Steve, while qualified for the duties of military top brass, has a personality poorly suited to the cloak and dagger warfare and shadowy organizations. 
Overseeron Jan. 28, 2011 at 7:29 a.m.

While I think there shouldn't be any secrets among super-hero teams or even groups of heroes. The Illuminati seemed unnessissarily secretive. They could have been the UN for superheroes instead of a shadow government.
 
However, people do have reasons, both stupid and understandable, for keeping secrets. Plus it makes for good story telling.
sparty-dbqon Jan. 28, 2011 at 7:40 a.m.
@kungnima said:

" What fellow avengers doesnt know about Spideys identity? "

 
If I'm remembering correctly, the only New Avengers who don't know are Iron Fist and Dr. Strange, and the only alpha Avengers in the dark are Iron Man, Thor, and Noh-Varr.  This is why I believe the Avengers can still trust him.  After all, he trusts them enough not to out him to Hand because they think they're doing him a favor by making him eligible for an Avengers paycheck.
JonesDeinion Jan. 28, 2011 at 8:15 a.m.
Meh, do what's most expedient and pragmatic to the situation
Illuminarchon Jan. 28, 2011 at 8:20 a.m.
Why post the scan with Steve talking to Iron Man if you're going to make it so small we can't read the speech bubbles? 
  
I think you make a good point about the necessity of sharing (or the inevitability of accidentally revealing) your secret identity to your team mates. If you really want to keep your identity an absolute secret, you should steer clear of teaming up with anyone. Likewise, anyone already in a team would have to be very picky about allowing new members. They'd have to be organized and behave more like subversive "cells" than the come-and-go-as-we-please super groups of the comics.
BuddyBulsonon Jan. 28, 2011 at 8:22 a.m.
I just finished Cable Classic Vol One and let me tell you the secrets he kept destroyed "Six Pack" and I dont think they will trust him ever again.

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