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Off My Mind: Does Talia Want Damian To Kill Dick?

Added by G-Man on March 5, 2010

In issue 10 of Batman And Robin, "The Return Of Bruce Wayne" will begin. The actual Bruce mini series will start in May. If you've seen images of the next few issues of Batman And Robin, you know there's a bit of tension going on between Dick and Damian. While Damian seemed a little hard to get along with in the beginning, it seemed like the two were starting to get into a vibe with each other. That doesn't seem to be the case. The next arc is even called, "Batman Vs. Robin."

Along with the covers we've been seeing, the solicit for issue #10 asks:

Why would Talia al Ghul manipulate her son Damian into taking action against Batman? Will Damian do as Mother says…or stay loyal to Dick Grayson?

Now we have to wonder, what is Talia up to? She has commented on how she believes Damian is the rightful heir to the Batman cowl but the kid is only ten years old (according to a past issue). I would hope she wouldn't think that Damian should become Batman right now. Could you imagine a little Batman running around the rooftops? So while Dick is away trying to figure out the story behind the Domino Killer, Damian is up to his own antics.

Is part of Talia's plan for Damian to also take over Wayne Enterprises? I joked before that Damian would kill Dick before Bruce returned. Damian has killed before. What kind of twist would it be to have Bruce fight his way through time only to find his first "son" killed by his last? There's also been the question of what will Dick do when Bruce returns? Bruce would go back to being Batman but Dick can't really go back to Nightwing (since Christopher Kent is using the name now). Deep down, I believe that Talia still has feelings for Bruce. If that's true, why would she want Damian to kill Dick? Perhaps she just wants Dick out of the picture so Damian can have the Wayne Empire all to himself.

Issue #10 will also have mention of the Black Glove. Could we be seeing their return soon?

Issue #10 is on sale March 10. Written by Grant Morrison with art by Andy Clarke.

35 Comments

timrothsays on March 5, 2010

Young businessman Damian = win
Sure, before Bruce's EPIC return someone gonna die. My word - Talia herself

SUPER-MAN 23 on March 5, 2010

I don't know of any thing that Dick Grayson did to Talia to make her want to kill him. However, if this is just so that when Bruce comes back Dick will be dead so that Bruce won't retire(which is silly, because Bruce would never do such a thing). Is the black glove really a threat now? Can't Bruce deal with them once he comes back.

Tyler Starke on March 5, 2010

I've always wondered how Bruce would react if Dick( his favorite son) died, but I would rather see Dick survive. I don't see a problem with him going back to the name Nightwing, because I'm fairly certain that most people don't really care who christopher kent is or what he does. Grant morrison is hard to predict because I'm sure he wants to avoid like the plague anything the readers could have easily deduced as the next probable act in the Batman Series, and that's a good and bad thing. It's good because I like to be surprised but it's bad because it makes for cheap story telling when you're constant M.O. is going for the shyamalan twist every story arc. I do however like his work for the most part, but sometimes it can be a bit much with the Changing of the Guard theme stuck on a loop

mimschkin on March 5, 2010

I was considering dropping this and switching to trades but the next arc looks really good, grr.
What I don't like is that Andy Clarke and that guy who did the last Batman and Detective Annuals draw Damian way too old. I had to repeatedly flip back to the issue where they said he was 10 to remind myself that he's not, like, 15.

DEGRAAF on March 5, 2010

@mimschkin:
yea im just starting to try to switch to all trades, so far its not working out well at all.

is Damien the youngest person to take on the robin mantle? I hope he goes back to night wing. I definitely dont want him to die. If anything Flamebird and nightwing are fighting with Rao (Kryptonian god) next issue, i dont expect them to die but maybe after they defeat him they will ascend to gods them selves leaving the night wing name open. My question is, is he going to stay in Gotham?

Freddy.Mercurial on March 5, 2010

why do people still assume Bruce is going to be Batman again upon his return??? Isn't it clear as day that DC & MARVEL are basically running similar story lines at this point??? Bruce wont be Batman... He will serve some "higher" purpose... Just like your boy Steve Rogers...

Emerald Warrior on March 5, 2010

Question: would anyone else like Damian better if it turned he's NOT Bruce's son?

I really like the character. His arrogance, and the way he treats Dick and Alfred ("grayson and pennyworth" lol It always makes me laugh), like just because his last name's Wayne he's the king of the world. It's a cool and different approach to a Robin...BUT... i HATE that he's Batman's son... so what do you say ppl? or do you actually like him BECAUSE he's the bat's son?

goldenkey on March 5, 2010

Damian is 10!!!!! Its so stupid.

ComiCCloseup on March 5, 2010

I'm just redy to move on to better story telling. This has really been beating a dead horse

danhimself on March 5, 2010

it would be a good way to get things back to normal after Bruce's return.....make Damien a villain, Dick goes back to being Nightwing, and Tim becomes Robin again

Kami on March 5, 2010

NO!

I think this wont happen, you know why? Because DC knows that Dick is too much of an important character. They even let him live through the crisis one because they thought it wouldn't be a big shock since hes human and two because Dick is too important to the batman storyline. Also he is a major character they could put him in any comic out there because he has been there in the outsiders, the JLA, the Teen titans, Bat-family and he sells!

Don't matter how much of a d!ck Dick is I think we have to agree that he is too important to be killed; Specially by a little turd like Damian..

your_navigator on March 5, 2010

This series just frustrates me. It's like Morrison is -pushing- Damian on us, forcing us to like him, making him his darling character. Honestly, I only like Damian when Morrison is not writing him (See Batgirl and B:SoG). I don't believe for a second that a 10 year old can make a car fly (Something Bruce had trouble with, Dick never did, and Tim couldn't do). I have trouble believing that a 10 year old can know about business. It's coming off like bad fan fiction, if you ask me.

I'd like to read a story where Damian is -not- Bruce's son. Cause I do like Damian. He's different and abrasive and I like that! But, I'd like him to be a little age-appropriate. I think Damian's character can only get interesting if he's not Bruce's son.

I'm not dropping the book, cause it's going to lead into Bruce's return, but I'm still not loving this story.

THEBlaqueBasterd on March 5, 2010

@Freddy.Mercurial: You are so right duder.. except for ONE thing...Batman isnt so much a mantle to Bruce as.. it IS Bruce..its who he IS.. whereas Nightwings.. no offense.. "filling shoes" yeh he's done okay so far &is probly (in SOME ways) a better kind of Batman.. he's alot easier to be around thats for sure, but unlike Stevie G who is a public entity (with NO living relatives lol)..wtf WOULD Mr Wayne DO if he wasnt Batman? Hmmmm.. Morrison better pull SUMMIN out of his ass on this one.. & it better be good

MIssfitt on March 5, 2010

Bruce=Batman when he returns he will once again take the cowl because that's what he is. Also I'm not a huge fan of Damien and I'll probably hate him forever if he kills Dick lol. I'm excited for Bruce's return, he will bring normality back, meaning everything will fall into place.

Emperor Gonzo Noir on March 5, 2010

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E.I.S.A.M. on March 5, 2010

@Emerald Warrior: @Emerald Warrior said:

" Question: would anyone else like Damian better if it turned he's NOT Bruce's son? I really like the character. His arrogance, and the way he treats Dick and Alfred ("grayson and pennyworth" lol It always makes me laugh), like just because his last name's Wayne he's the king of the world. It's a cool and different approach to a Robin...BUT... i HATE that he's Batman's son... so what do you say ppl? or do you actually like him BECAUSE he's the bat's son? "

Dude, I flippin' love you! I have wanted this to happen ever since the little punk was brought up! His superiority complex is mainly routed around the fact that he is the son of the legendary Batman, and a reveal that this was untrue could propel this character into a whole other direction.
What if it turned out that he was the biological son of a certain boy wonder(J.T.), and in reality Talia had a miscarriage with her baby by Bruce, and forced herself to believe Todd's child was Bruce's instead, to maintain her delusional fantasy of sharing a life with the man she constantly betrayed over her diabolical daddy. Remember, Jason spent some time with the lady when he was resurrected, and it's not hard to believe that she could form an attachment to a man close to Bruce if she couldn't have the real thing. I mean... The b*!#$ is crazy!

Redfield on March 5, 2010

@Freddy.Mercurial: No offense to Cap's legacy. But this if BATMAN we are talking about! He IS Bruce Wayne and Bruce Wayne IS Batman. They are one and the same, and the way Dick is forced to become Batman in Battle for the Cowl just proves it. Even if he has become a good Batman he still comes off as just keeping the cowl warm. Maybe it will take a while, but unless they kill off Dick (which would be awful) I still think Bruce will be Batman soon.

Bats on March 5, 2010

Bruce needs to come back - if if it's just to smack some sense into Damien.

thatlad on March 5, 2010

What's with Damian's blue hair?

I hope they keep Dick as Batman, simply because I'd like to see some character progression for Bruce. Something different aside from just being batman day in day out. Then after a good period of time in a new role he should be given a definitive compelling reason to return. All the build up would be worth it for the payoff

Freddy.Mercurial on March 5, 2010

@THEBlaqueBasterd: i hear what u & Redfield are saying about Bruce being Batman & Batman being Bruce, but consider this: What IF Bruce gets over all of his issues/neurosis associated with making him the Batman??? What, with BATMAN R.I.P. & the looming Return of Bruce Wayne... Not to mention, Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader... Could it not be possible that Bruce may no LONGER be BATMAN in the near future? Thus, making the Batman more of a mantle than anything else... Just because Bruce may no longer need to be Batman, doesn't mean that Gotham won't need the Batman... Morrison did say in an interview that his aim was "to take Bruce Wayne out of the mantle for ever" (non-verbatim)... Maybe we are about to witness the evolution (finally) of Bruce Wayne... Him entering the next stage of his life... Its bound to happen, specially with him having no super-powers to speak of.... Could Bruce play a bigger role in humanity outside of Gotham City? A higher purpose of u may?

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