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Geeks and Jocks: Can't We All Just Get Along?

With cosplay and other similar practices, do they have more in common than they believe?

There was an article in a prominent men's magazine that was incredibly derisive of the geeky practice of cosplaying. I won't link to it here because it was an inflammatory article which I believe was written for the purpose of getting people angry and jacking up their site views and comments, but suffice it to say the article was not flattering. Why do I suspect it was written for this purpose? Because geeks and jocks (for lack of better words) are fundamentally the same kinds of people, just with different passions. I know neither side of this article wants to hear this about themselves, as a geek I spent a huge chunk of my formative years trying NOT to be a jock (just as they had no interest in being anything like me), but it's become clear to me over the years, and through many different and varied friendships, that these words are just titles we use to divide ourselves.

WE HAVE LITERALLY NOT ONE SINGLE PIECE OF COMMON GROUND!!
WE HAVE LITERALLY NOT ONE SINGLE PIECE OF COMMON GROUND!!

Cosplaying

Pictured: Cosplaying
Pictured: Cosplaying

Let's start by ripping apart the example above: my roommate recently went to a major event where he saw people as dressing up in costumes to declare their allegiances to two different squads. They generally hung out with like-minded individuals and were derisive of their rivals, both verbally and very nearly physically in some cases. Then he saw the coup de grace: a man dressed as Jason Voorhees holding a fake head that had a hat announcing its membership to a rival group. The event was a Raiders game.

For those unfamiliar: the Oakland Raiders are an American Football team with an extremely passionate hardcore fanbase called "The Black Hole" (the Raiders' colors being silver and black) who dress in elaborate garb, usually involving spiked shoulder pads and helmets, skull masks, and silver facepaint. How is this ANY different from cosplaying? They're not actually "raiders" (in terms of either the team NOR the concept) and they all know that, but they enjoy dressing up to support and advertise something they're passionate about. That's one example, but we're only just getting started, my lovelies.

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YOUR INABILITY TO ADMIT THE VANCOUVER CANUCKS' SUPERIORITY OVER THE SAN JOSE SHARKS IS ALMOST AS INFURIATING AS YOUR LOVE OF SPIDER-MAN OVER BATMAN!!!!
YOUR INABILITY TO ADMIT THE VANCOUVER CANUCKS' SUPERIORITY OVER THE SAN JOSE SHARKS IS ALMOST AS INFURIATING AS YOUR LOVE OF SPIDER-MAN OVER BATMAN!!!!

Go to a Raiders message board and declare yourself a dyed-in-the-wool fan of the San Francisco 49ers (their bitter rivals). Alright, now quickly go to a DC forum and declare yourself a dyed-in-the-wool Marvel Zombie. Not only will you elicit similar reactions but, depending on how well-moderated the forum is, you'll probably find yourself the victims of almost the same exact insults.

At best your taste and sense will be called into question, and at worst it'll likely be your predilictions for after-hours activities involving male genitalia and your mother's nightly romps. And if you have an openly feminine handle it only gets worse as in both cases you'll likely be assaulted not only by hilariously outdated sexism masked as edginess, but by numerous people asking what you even think you're doing on the board.

And it's basically the same if you went on a hockey or video game forum. This isn't a recent development either. Despite the internet having made it easier and more anonymous than ever to craft insults that would make Charles Bukowski blush, it's by no means "new." If you've ever been to a sporting event, you'll hear people insults not only at the players, but at each other, from across entire statiums. People get into fights and even seriously hurt both in the crowd and parking lots, much like how forum bickering occassionally spills into the "real" world. which of course leads me into...

The Fanboyism

The creative bankruptcy at DC is an OBJECTIVE AND MEASURABLE FACT just as is the CHEATING WAYS OF EVERY SINGLE YANKEES TEAM!
The creative bankruptcy at DC is an OBJECTIVE AND MEASURABLE FACT just as is the CHEATING WAYS OF EVERY SINGLE YANKEES TEAM!

I've always had a slight preference for Marvel over DC, but I'm very aware of it and readily admit it. By that same token, and as I've previously admitted, DC has far more stories that I'd call "classics" or place in my favorites of all time. How do I justify this? I don't need to, it's simply the way my mind works.

There are others, though, who can't see their way past justifying anything of the sort. They're so passionate about something, so utterly consumed by it, that they've lost all ability to be objective. Whether it's a sports team with a terrible record that's still the best and only there because literally every other team in the league is filled to the brim with cheaters and bought-off refs, or that Marvel has never put out a single story that is even remotely worth reading, these hyperbolic declarations are often not taken as hyperbole, but as actual, objecitve fact.

With sports this becomes MORE ridiculous because you have things like records and facts staring you in the face telling you which team actually IS the best (at least for a single season) while comic books are a subjective art form, so it IS possible, however unlikely, that someone actually believes every single book put out by a major publisher to be unreadable dreck.

cattlebattle is online on Jan. 30, 2012 at 10:40 a.m.
The people I know and myself like both for the most part...you do make some good points though, they are generally the same, only different subject matter 
 
Those Raider Fans look like the Road Warriors
spiderbat87on Jan. 30, 2012 at 11:03 a.m.
Interesting article and true, some people just have skewed views on what is socially acceptable.. I know next to nothing about american football but for some reason I always liked the Raiders I used to have a hat with a metal plate on it with there badge and everything. 
redhood21on Jan. 30, 2012 at 11:09 a.m.

lol i played football and all my friends were jocks like myself, but obviously since i am here i am a nerd too. i also played the saxophone in high school, but i think being a savage defensive end "made up for it" to them. from being friends with jocks i can tell you that you dont wanna be. alll my football buddies are either dropouts, drug addicts, or on roids and not evenb playing sports..or in college...and at parties they roid rage and break things.

GamerGeek360on Jan. 30, 2012 at 11:13 a.m.

Great read man! I totally agree as a comic lover and a sports fan.

jorok_goldbladeon Jan. 30, 2012 at 11:35 a.m.

There's also the point that fantasy sports leagues are merely pencil and paper roleplaying games for jocks, and that both groups tend to memorize endless statistics and bits of trivia about their entertainment passion of choice and its related personalities.

RedOwl_1on Jan. 30, 2012 at 11:35 a.m.

I think it was silly... till I read that:

YOUR INABILITY TO ADMIT THE VANCOUVER CANUCKS' SUPERIORITY OVER THE SAN JOSE SHARKS

>TT< that's stupid...

IS ALMOST AS INFURIATINGAS YOUR LOVE OF SPIDER-MAN OVER BATMAN!!!!

WHAT THE F*** !!!, HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE>:O *Great Rage*

Now I understand of what are you talking about, is really pretty much the same quantity of passion and care in both sides, just that we read and they watch others play -_-

(C'me on I'm a girl, how much you think I like sitting there watching a bunch of guys running over reading awesome comics?!?)

spiderbat87on Jan. 30, 2012 at 11:40 a.m.
@jorok_goldblade said:

There's also the point that fantasy sports leagues are merely pencil and paper roleplaying games for jocks, and that both groups tend to memorize endless statistics and bits of trivia about their entertainment passion of choice and its related personalities.

ha I never even thought of that
The Cyan Lanternon Jan. 30, 2012 at 11:44 a.m.

I think we should look at Lance Briggs.

I'm from Chicago and a HUGE Bears fan along with being a comic geek. Well linebacker Lance Briggs is a comic geek himself. He would talk about how it is in the locker room and liking comics but he's not discouraged. He follows events and he thought it was funny Solder Field was blown up in the beginning of Siege. Now he has his own series he writes.

There is always room to be both

Gawdzillaon Jan. 30, 2012 at 11:49 a.m.

I myself am one of the many Jock/Nerd hybrids out there and let me say this...its quite fun!

Also...GO RAIDERS!

TheWitchingHouron Jan. 30, 2012 at 11:52 a.m.

When it all comes down to it we pour time and effort and knowledge into certain subjects because we feel passionately about them. While that serves as a bridge between the practices of geeks and jocks it's also a double edged sword that simultaneously keeps them divided. The more passionately one feels about something, the more difficult it becomes to acknowledge the existence of similar passions in similar subjects in similar people. For example I doubt any baseball fan in his right mind would admit that fantasy baseball stats are painfully similar to stats and character histories in an comic character's handbook. While most stats in baseball, football, and basketball are helpful and serve to further the coache's or manager's ability to lead the team there are also a multitude of pointless stats that serve only to fill air time between plays and in certain cases make a color commentator look like he knows what he's talking about even though he only got the job because his dad was Jack Buck. Dammit Joe I can't believe people pay you to do this.

TadThuggishon Jan. 30, 2012 at 11:53 a.m.

Thanks for the advice, Cracked.com. You're so epic and for the win.

Gordo789on Jan. 30, 2012 at 11:58 a.m.

I'm a grown up adult. I don't really worry about stuff like this.

Sasukeon Jan. 30, 2012 at 12:16 p.m.
Great article Corey
Baddamdogon Jan. 30, 2012 at 12:17 p.m.

I'd like to think I'm a little of both ;)

MinkoAkon Jan. 30, 2012 at 12:44 p.m.

Hell... you just turned my world upside down... I'll never think of the sports community the same way o__o

Undeadpool staff on Jan. 30, 2012 at 12:53 p.m.

@spiderbat87 said:

@jorok_goldblade said:

There's also the point that fantasy sports leagues are merely pencil and paper roleplaying games for jocks, and that both groups tend to memorize endless statistics and bits of trivia about their entertainment passion of choice and its related personalities.

ha I never even thought of that

I was actually going to add that point, but I don't know enough about Fantasy League stuff to make a complete point and I didn't want to half-ass it.

SpidermanWinson Jan. 30, 2012 at 12:56 p.m.

@cattlebattle said:

The people I know and myself like both for the most part...you do make some good points though, they are generally the same, only different subject matter Those Raider Fans look like the Road Warriors

this

Ganthetsward20on Jan. 30, 2012 at 1:45 p.m.

Ha i never thought about it like this, but because we're so much alike, we'll never get along :/ or am I wrong about that too? O.o I don't know anymore!!!!!

BatClaw89on Jan. 30, 2012 at 1:55 p.m.

This article is ridiculous. Are we in the 80's?

buttersdaman000on Jan. 30, 2012 at 2:04 p.m.
Im a geek jock and proud of it

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