why is Namor and X-men?

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#1 Posted by Killer_of_trolls (1852 posts) - - Show Bio

he is not a mutant. He is Marvel's version of Aquaman technically.

#2 Posted by DocFatalis (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killer_of_trolls said:

he is not a mutant. He is Marvel's version of Aquaman technically.

You are not familiar with the MU are you?

Namor is the first mutant ever. That's the reason why he can fly among other things.

#3 Posted by Night Thrasher (3705 posts) - - Show Bio

1) He is a mutant

2) If you look at it that way Aquaman is DC's version of Namor. Aquaman est 1941. Namor est 1939

#4 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (34381 posts) - - Show Bio

killer of trolls eh? how do you live with your self?

#5 Posted by SoA (5149 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killer_of_trolls: he isn't a x-gene mutant but he is defined as a mutant and decided to join up with the x-men

#6 Posted by JonSmith (4008 posts) - - Show Bio

He is a mutant. I'm personally not certain he's the world's FIRST mutant, since I haven't had the opportunity to ask or look up which came first, him or Apocalypse. But his human half made him an Atlantean mutant... Actually, hang on. Namora had the same heritage of human/atlantean that Namor had, and the result was exactly the same powers as his. So you may have a point, maybe Namor (and by extension, Namora) aren't mutants, just human/atlantean hybrids, and their powers are typical for such a being. Hm.

I'd highly recommend a second opinion though. I'm certain I've overlooked a rather important detail that throws my speculation into a furnace.

#7 Posted by Killer_of_trolls (1852 posts) - - Show Bio

@DocFatalis: hmm, I was never informed of his origin thnks. I am not a big read up on X-men. does that mean he is of human descent?

@Jonny_Anonymous: hence I made a thread asking a question, asshole.

#8 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20432 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

killer of trolls eh? how do you live with your self?

This made me laugh.

@JonSmith said:

He is a mutant. I'm personally not certain he's the world's FIRST mutant, since I haven't had the opportunity to ask or look up which came first, him or Apocalypse. But his human half made him an Atlantean mutant... Actually, hang on. Namora had the same heritage of human/atlantean that Namor had, and the result was exactly the same powers as his. So you may have a point, maybe Namor (and by extension, Namora) aren't mutants, just human/atlantean hybrids, and their powers are typical for such a being. Hm.

I'd highly recommend a second opinion though. I'm certain I've overlooked a rather important detail that throws my speculation into a furnace.

This.

#9 Posted by joshmightbe (25053 posts) - - Show Bio

@JonSmith: Well technically he was the first Mutant in the real world because he was the first created by Marvel but actually in story no he isn't the first mutant.

#10 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (34381 posts) - - Show Bio
@Killer_of_trolls: jeez, humor is lost on you.
#11 Posted by JonSmith (4008 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: Ah, got it. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

#12 Posted by joshmightbe (25053 posts) - - Show Bio

@JonSmith: I've been explaining it for years, it seems to be the biggest argument about Namor for some reason.

#13 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@Night Thrasher said:

1) He is a mutant

2) If you look at it that way Aquaman is DC's version of Namor. Aquaman est 1941. Namor est 1939

Bingo, though the whole mutant thing as been made debatable.

#14 Edited by Killer_of_trolls (1852 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous: right back at you cause that joke made no sense.

anyway. thatnks for something and nothing everyone. checked his CV profile. He is neither a mutant nor a mutant. He is merely a hybrid Demi-Atlantian(half-human half f-atlantian) due to a love story like Disney's little mermaid(basically).

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

killer of trolls eh? how do you live with your self?

This made me laugh.

@JonSmith said:

He is a mutant. I'm personally not certain he's the world's FIRST mutant, since I haven't had the opportunity to ask or look up which came first, him or Apocalypse. But his human half made him an Atlantean mutant... Actually, hang on. Namora had the same heritage of human/atlantean that Namor had, and the result was exactly the same powers as his. So you may have a point, maybe Namor (and by extension, Namora) aren't mutants, just human/atlantean hybrids, and their powers are typical for such a being. Hm.

I'd highly recommend a second opinion though. I'm certain I've overlooked a rather important detail that throws my speculation into a furnace.

This.

not this, when want something done right, you do it yourself. I found the truth.

@Blood1991: debatable? why? if you know something, tell me. that's why i made the thread.

#15 Posted by DocFatalis (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

@JonSmith: Well technically he was the first Mutant in the real world because he was the first created by Marvel but actually in story no he isn't the first mutant.

Dam, you're absolutely right. It's true that Apocalypse is supposed to be the first mutant in story. I stand corrected.

#16 Posted by joshmightbe (25053 posts) - - Show Bio

@DocFatalis: I think there's one older than Apocalypse but I'm not sure on that.

#17 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killer_of_trolls: You just said that is orgin was more or less the little mermaids, but Marvel classifies him as their first mutant, thus debatable. Not that is really matters Danger isn't a mutant and she is on their team. Plus Ms. Marvel and Longshot were part of the main X-Men team as well.

#18 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (34381 posts) - - Show Bio
@Killer_of_trolls: *sigh* I was implying you were a troll, your name is Killer of Trolls, so I was asking how you hadn't killed your self. Get it?
#19 Posted by Killer_of_trolls (1852 posts) - - Show Bio

@DocFatalis said:

@joshmightbe said:

@JonSmith: Well technically he was the first Mutant in the real world because he was the first created by Marvel but actually in story no he isn't the first mutant.

Dam, you're absolutely right. It's true that Apocalypse is supposed to be the first mutant in story. I stand corrected.

speaking of that. why is apokolypse considered a mutant. what is he a mutant from.

#20 Posted by joshmightbe (25053 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blood1991: The team has also featured Aliens, Robots (Like as you said Danger), Non powered humans, and Magic creatures on various occasions.

@Killer_of_trolls: He is classified by Marvel as a mutant because he possesses traits that neither humans nor Atlantians possess like flight, and his near class 100 strength.

#21 Posted by Killer_of_trolls (1852 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous: that is stupid, and I already flagged that comment. Nothing is there written to imply me being a troll, and it turns out I was right about it in the first place.

#22 Posted by joshmightbe (25053 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killer_of_trolls: Apocalypse is a mutant human, he's just had physical upgrades from the Celestials in addition to his mutation

#23 Posted by JonSmith (4008 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killer_of_trolls said:

speaking of that. why is apokolypse considered a mutant. what is he a mutant from.

I imagine it may have something to do with the fact that he has no inhuman parents, and yet looks like this:

He's a mutant from Egypt WAY back in the day, if that's what you meant.

#24 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (34381 posts) - - Show Bio
@Killer_of_trolls said:

@Jonny_Anonymous: that is stupid, and I already flagged that comment. Nothing is there written to imply me being a troll, and it turns out I was right about it in the first place.

*shakes head*
#25 Posted by Killer_of_trolls (1852 posts) - - Show Bio

@JonSmith: I don't get it. How does not having human parent while being shaped like one makes you a human. there are already mutans with human parent. what does his egyptian origin have to do with mutation.

#26 Posted by Night Thrasher (3705 posts) - - Show Bio

He's both a mutant and a hybrid. He's the Liger of the Marvel Universe.

#27 Posted by joshmightbe (25053 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killer_of_trolls: The term mutant doesn't just apply to humans, there are mutant Inhumans, Mutant Aliens, even mutant animals

#28 Posted by JonSmith (4008 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killer_of_trolls said:

@JonSmith: I don't get it. How does not having human parent while being shaped like one makes you a human. there are already mutans with human parent. what does his egyptian origin have to do with mutation.

I said he had no INhuman parents, meaning both his parents were human beings, yet he still looks like the off spring of an Easter Island Head and a Transformer. You asked 'where's he from'. Egypt.

Now as for his mutation specifically: He's a mutant with the X-Gene, that effects him in such a way as to allow shapeshifting to an unknown degree. I'm not a huge expert on Apocalypse, so if you want further information, I'd suggest checking his page.

#29 Posted by Killer_of_trolls (1852 posts) - - Show Bio

@Night Thrasher: aha. I finally figured it out. only the wings on the ankles are the mutation. the rest of the powers are from his atlantian aspect.

#30 Posted by joshmightbe (25053 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killer_of_trolls: Actually no, his flight,which contrary to popular belief has nothing to do with the tiny wing and his strength level are both mutations, Atlantians are stronger than humans but not by as much as Namor.

#31 Posted by BlackArmor (6149 posts) - - Show Bio

Uncanny X-men #11 says he's there because he respects Cyclops and his cause

#32 Posted by Killer_of_trolls (1852 posts) - - Show Bio

@JonSmith said:

@Killer_of_trolls said:

@JonSmith: I don't get it. How does not having human parent while being shaped like one makes you a human. there are already mutans with human parent. what does his egyptian origin have to do with mutation.

I said he had no INhuman parents, meaning both his parents were human beings, yet he still looks like the off spring of an Easter Island Head and a Transformer. You asked 'where's he from'. Egypt.

Now as for his mutation specifically: He's a mutant with the X-Gene, that effects him in such a way as to allow shapeshifting to an unknown degree. I'm not a huge expert on Apocalypse, so if you want further information, I'd suggest checking his page.

oh that. I meant what was the race he mutated from. you answered human.

#33 Posted by Night Thrasher (3705 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killer_of_trolls: @joshmightbe: His mutation is his whole power set. If you want to go into specifics then I would say his breathing out of water would be considered his Atlantean mutation. But his powers and mutation is really directly correlated to his hybrid nature.

Like the Liger example. Humans and Atlanteans are as closely related, if not moreso, as tigers and lions. A liger gets half it's traits from it's tiger parent and half from it's lion parent. So it looks like a combination of a lion and a tiger, same as Namor. A liger has a mutation though. Ligers from a female tiger and male lion parent are bigger and are impotent, which is the mutation. A liger from a female lion and male tiger are dwarfs but can reproduce. So Namor exhibits traits of both parents, but his mutation is his powers and the wings on his ankles.

#34 Posted by joshmightbe (25053 posts) - - Show Bio

@Night Thrasher: Ligers are technically mutants as well being that both kinds possess traits that neither parent has

#35 Posted by cattlebattle (13209 posts) - - Show Bio

He is a mutant but not in the same sense the X-Men are...its like calling Blade a mutant.....
 
He is also incredibly lame and his whole MO has nothing to with the X-Mens, I still have no idea till this day why he is on the X-Men other than Marvel wanting to give him a boost in credibility.
 
BTW....I believe Namor was created before Aquaman

#36 Posted by joshmightbe (25053 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle: Namor came out in 1939 while Aquaman came out in 1941

#37 Posted by Night Thrasher (3705 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: That was kinda my whole point. Hence the "Namor is the Liger of the Marvel Universe" :D

#38 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5616 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jonny_Anonymous
killer of trolls eh? how do you live with your self?
ZING!!!!
#39 Posted by Haaydrian (173 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

@JonSmith: Well technically he was the first Mutant in the real world because he was the first created by Marvel but actually in chronology no he isn't the first mutant.

Yup. Added in "chronology" to be clear.

#40 Posted by Deranged Midget (17863 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killer_of_trolls: @Jonny_Anonymous: Relax guys, no reason to get worked up.

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#41 Posted by Rheged (620 posts) - - Show Bio

If you read Namor's CV entry, his character type is clearly marked MUTANT. If you read Namor's CV entry, there's a section specifically on his mutant powers and his hybrid powers.

He's been named a mutant long before most other mutants, as this was revealed in X-Men #6 back in 1963. His book in the 1990s also clearly marked 'first and mightiest MUTANT' on the top of the cover.

He's the first mutant for the same reason he's the first of many things at Marvel, because he's the first Marvel superhero. Storywise, he's the first mutant known to the general public -- the first of the Marvels. Apocalypse and Selene are retcons / additions from the 1980s.

He is a mutant, just like all the other mutant X-Men because he has the X-Gene, which has been stated more than once in the X-books.

He's allied with the X-Men now, because of a deal he made with Emma Frost while they were in the Cabal together, as explained in Uncanny X-Men Annual #2. This apparently was set out in an official treaty he has with the X-Men, as explained in Namor the First Mutant Annual #1.

#42 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rheged said:

If you read Namor's CV entry, his character type is clearly marked MUTANT. If you read Namor's CV entry, there's a section specifically on his mutant powers and his hybrid powers.

He's been named a mutant long before most other mutants, as this was revealed in X-Men #6 back in 1963. His book in the 1990s also clearly marked 'first and mightiest MUTANT' on the top of the cover.

He's the first mutant for the same reason he's the first of many things at Marvel, because he's the first Marvel superhero. Storywise, he's the first mutant known to the general public -- the first of the Marvels. Apocalypse and Selene are retcons / additions from the 1980s.

He is a mutant, just like all the other mutant X-Men because he has the X-Gene, which has been stated more than once in the X-books.

He's allied with the X-Men now, because of a deal he made with Emma Frost while they were in the Cabal together, as explained in Uncanny X-Men Annual #2. This apparently was set out in an official treaty he has with the X-Men, as explained in Namor the First Mutant Annual #1.

He's the 1st publicly KNOWN mutant.....

Remember... Apocalypse was sleeping until he woke after his thousand year prep...

But anyways, this is just Earth's history. There is also Thanos the mutant of Titan. It is debatable whether he or Apocalypse is older.

#43 Posted by Rheged (620 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rheged said:

Storywise, he's the first mutant known to the general public -- the first of the Marvels. Apocalypse and Selene are retcons / additions from the 1980s.

#44 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio

He's the 1st publicly KNOWN mutant.....

Remember... Apocalypse was sleeping until he woke after his thousand year prep...

But anyways, this is just Earth's history. There is also Thanos the mutant of Titan. It is debatable whether he or Apocalypse is older.

Meaning... No one knew about Apocalypse because he was asleep. He's always been there. Inside the Celestial ship.

#45 Posted by TDK_1997 (15086 posts) - - Show Bio

He's actually the first mutant.

#46 Posted by SHAZAM117 (3604 posts) - - Show Bio

I love Namor, he's one of my favorite MARVEL characters...but the whole 1st mutant title is BS...A-poc is supposedly the "1st mutant" or at least one of them. I think A-poc is like over 2000yrs old or something. I don't think of Namor as a mutant like Cyclops or a Morlock, those characters carry the "X-gene" that gives them their powers...Namor is just an Atlantean. I just personally viewed them as another species on MARVEL earth....I think MARVEL dubbing Namor as the "1st Mutant" and adding him to the XMEN is them trying to spark life into one of their original characters that needed to be refreshed/retooled

#47 Posted by joshmightbe (25053 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHAZAM117: When he's called the first Mutant its meant that he was the first one to be shown in Marvel books, not that he was the first born in that universe. Because he is a mutant and Marvel's first super human that means that technically he is the first Marvel mutant in as far as published stories go.

#48 Posted by IncredibleBongoBands (69 posts) - - Show Bio

An atlantean/human hybrid with pink wings on his feet and can fly? haha

not sure whether he has the X-Gene or not. He just seems like a hybrid instead of a Homo Superior.

#49 Edited by mettlekm (417 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Killer_of_trolls: *sigh* I was implying you were a troll, your name is Killer of Trolls, so I was asking how you hadn't killed your self. Get it?

I liked it! Even before explanation! Trolls never really did have a sense of humor... might be a sore subject with him.

@SHAZAM117: he's not just an atlantean. He can breathe air and fly and is superstrong. therefore he is a mutant Atlantean.

edit: I'm assumng the breathing air thing is because his dad was human, but the flying and superstrength is from the x-gene.

#50 Posted by Hyperlight (6338 posts) - - Show Bio

@Night Thrasher said:

He's both a mutant and a hybrid. He's the Liger of the Marvel Universe.

you are correct... not only is he a hybrid but he also has the X-Gene

As for apocolypse, the only mutant I can think of that is older than apocolypse is Selene.

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