Feelings About His Death

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#1 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

are you referring to his death in...Messiah complex?

#2 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

What are your opinions on Sinister's death and possible return?

I happened to hate it, not just because Sinister is my favorite character but because he deserves a better death. I believe he will return...

considers sharing Gambler's views so more people will pay attention to the thread but decides against it

#3 Posted by Slinger (7640 posts) - - Show Bio

I like it, I thought Sinister was stale. I guess how he was killed may have been a little lame, but I'm glad he's dead, I thought he was kind of a lame character.

#4 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

pixelized says:

"are you referring to his death in...Messiah complex?"

yes...didn't realize there was another one...

#5 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

pixelized says:

"aztek_the_lost says:
"pixelized says:
"are you referring to his death in...Messiah complex?"
yes...didn't realize there was another one..."

semi smart comment.

mkay

"

wait? so you thought the death was ok? ...I was hoping for more of an outspoken opinion

#6 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

Slinger says:

"I like it, I thought Sinister was stale. I guess how he was killed may have been a little lame, but I'm glad he's dead, I thought he was kind of a lame character."

gasps

lame? how so?

#7 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

aztek_the_lost says:

"pixelized says:
"are you referring to his death in...Messiah complex?"
yes...didn't realize there was another one..."

semi smart comment.

mkay

#8 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

i have no feelings, good nor bad, towards Sinister....so his dying was like watching one of the extras in titanic jump overborad....its whatever

#9 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

oh, I see...have you read any of his old stuff or do you only know him from Messiah Complex?

#10 Posted by Slinger (7640 posts) - - Show Bio

aztek_the_lost says:

"Slinger says:
"I like it, I thought Sinister was stale. I guess how he was killed may have been a little lame, but I'm glad he's dead, I thought he was kind of a lame character."

gasps

lame? how so?"

I don't know, he just never really seemed to live up to his potential, his schemes were always very circular and took a ridiculous amount of setup to achieve minimal result. He seemed to me like he could have been cool, but was relegated to the part of supporting vilian too often, when he really could have taken a main stage. It seems to me that killing him was putting him out of his misery.

#11 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

i'm familiar with his character, but the only time i've come across him was messiah complex

#12 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

Slinger says:

"I don't know, he just never really seemed to live up to his potential, his schemes were always very circular and took a ridiculous amount of setup to achieve minimal result. He seemed to me like he *could* have been cool, but was relegated to the part of supporting vilian too often, when he really could have taken a main stage. It seems to me that killing him was putting him out of his misery."

what he said

#13 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

pixelized says:

"Slinger says:
"I don't know, he just never really seemed to live up to his potential, his schemes were always very circular and took a ridiculous amount of setup to achieve minimal result. He seemed to me like he *could* have been cool, but was relegated to the part of supporting vilian too often, when he really could have taken a main stage. It seems to me that killing him was putting him out of his misery."

what he said"

I liked Sinister because he was a background villain...one of those characters who are involved with everything but had their minions do the real work. you never knew what Sinister was really planning, but I must admit that he was never used to his full potential sighs

#14 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

its fine...nothing in marvel stays dead...he'll pop back up eventually

#15 Posted by Slinger (7640 posts) - - Show Bio

aztek_the_lost says:

"you never knew what Sinister was really planning"

That was exactly my problem, he was evil for the sake of being evil, which doesn't make sense, he has to have some kind of motive. Have they ever done a real origin story? Something to shed some light on all of that?

#16 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

Slinger says:

"aztek_the_lost says:
"you never knew what Sinister was really planning"

That was exactly my problem, he was evil for the sake of being evil, which doesn't make sense, he has to have some kind of motive. Have they ever done a real origin story? Something to shed some light on all of that?"

yeah...check the page

he's not really evil, his motive is to create or find the ultimate mutant to release him from Apocalypse's shadow

#17 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

I remember reading something like that in the Ultimate universe. he's lame now that you made me think of that

#18 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

pixelized says:

"I remember reading something like that in the Ultimate universe. he's lame now that you made me think of that"

I don't really like his Ultimate counterpart...and though I agree his motive (in every universe) is a little lame, the way he goes about it is why I like him so much

#19 Posted by Slinger (7640 posts) - - Show Bio

aztek_the_lost says:

"Slinger says:
"aztek_the_lost says:
"you never knew what Sinister was really planning"

That was exactly my problem, he was evil for the sake of being evil, which doesn't make sense, he has to have some kind of motive. Have they ever done a real origin story? Something to shed some light on all of that?"

yeah...check the page

he's not really evil, his motive is to create or find the ultimate mutant to release him from Apocalypse's shadow"

I'll read up on him, maybe I'll change my mind, but still just wanting to be better than Apocalypse, sounds like he could use some extensive therapy instead, lol. I'll be back maybe tomorrow and see if I feel differently.

#20 Posted by Shatterstar (4462 posts) - - Show Bio

aztek_the_lost says:

"Slinger says:
"aztek_the_lost says:
"you never knew what Sinister was really planning"

That was exactly my problem, he was evil for the sake of being evil, which doesn't make sense, he has to have some kind of motive. Have they ever done a real origin story? Something to shed some light on all of that?"

yeah...check the page

he's not really evil, his motive is to create or find the ultimate mutant to release him from Apocalypse's shadow"

If he's not really evil why would he call himself... Mr. Sinister? For that matter form & lead groups called the Nasty Boys & Marauders?

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#21 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

Slinger says:

"aztek_the_lost says:
"Slinger says:
"aztek_the_lost says:
"you never knew what Sinister was really planning"

That was exactly my problem, he was evil for the sake of being evil, which doesn't make sense, he has to have some kind of motive. Have they ever done a real origin story? Something to shed some light on all of that?"

yeah...check the page

he's not really evil, his motive is to create or find the ultimate mutant to release him from Apocalypse's shadow"

I'll read up on him, maybe I'll change my mind, but still just wanting to be better than Apocalypse, sounds like he could use some extensive therapy instead, lol. I'll be back maybe tomorrow and see if I feel differently."

well, Apocalypse is his creator and is the one who gave him his power

his goal is to get rid of Apocalypse, as he sees him as his greatest threat...its why he created Cable/X-Man

#22 Posted by pixelized (62883 posts) - - Show Bio

Sidenote...you bought Emma frost based off my review?!!?!?! aww shucks...glad you enjoyed...moving on.

Sinister has a certain character type that i cant put my finger on...its killing me...

#23 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

pixelized says:

"Sidenote...you bought Emma frost based off my review?!!?!?! aww shucks...glad you enjoyed...moving on.Sinister has a certain character type that i cant put my finger on...its killing me..."

well, your review attracted me to the idea of reading it and it turns out its AWESOME, so thanks!!

#24 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

Shatterstar says:

"aztek_the_lost says:
"Slinger says:
"aztek_the_lost says:
"you never knew what Sinister was really planning"

That was exactly my problem, he was evil for the sake of being evil, which doesn't make sense, he has to have some kind of motive. Have they ever done a real origin story? Something to shed some light on all of that?"

yeah...check the page

he's not really evil, his motive is to create or find the ultimate mutant to release him from Apocalypse's shadow"

If he's not really evil why would he call himself... Mr. Sinister? For that matter form & lead groups called the Nasty Boys & Marauders?

"

well, his motive is not to be evil its just that what he does do is considered despicable to humanity so he has made himself what everyone believes him to be...a super villain

and the groups are because only villains are willing to do what he needs done

#25 Posted by Shatterstar (4462 posts) - - Show Bio

aztek_the_lost says:

"Shatterstar says:
"aztek_the_lost says:
"Slinger says:
"aztek_the_lost says:
"you never knew what Sinister was really planning"

That was exactly my problem, he was evil for the sake of being evil, which doesn't make sense, he has to have some kind of motive. Have they ever done a real origin story? Something to shed some light on all of that?"

yeah...check the page

he's not really evil, his motive is to create or find the ultimate mutant to release him from Apocalypse's shadow"

If he's not really evil why would he call himself... Mr. Sinister? For that matter form & lead groups called the Nasty Boys & Marauders?

"

well, his motive is not to be evil its just that what he does do is considered despicable to humanity so he has made himself what everyone believes him to be...a super villain

and the groups are because only villains are willing to do what he needs done"

Well you can say that about a lot of villains. By that rationale an individual is not evil solely because he does evil things? Can anyone be considered evil? Red LAMP drowns puppies not because he's evil but because he needs to commit evil acts to serve his needs of making adorable puppy skin shoes.

I'd say both Sinister & Red LAMP can be considered evil because they serve solely their own selfish motives with disregard for the rights of puppies, orphans, and Summers family members.

On the original topic, he'll be back, no one stays dead in the Marvel U. especially not established, well known characters. Might be a year or two but he'll be back. Maybe with a mustache.

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#26 Posted by Dormath (2398 posts) - - Show Bio

LOL I would actually really like to see that.

#27 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

Any more opinions?

#28 Posted by spirito (40 posts) - - Show Bio

MYSTIQUE OWNED SINISTER GO MYSTIQUE WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#29 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

glares at spirito

#30 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

Aztek lets out a cheer at the arrival of another Sinister fan

Read his first two paragraphs everyone, its what I was trying to say. As for the third one, it grants me even more hope.

@Wolfy: The Ultimate one was ok, as was House of M but Age of Apocalypse is probably my favorite alternate Sinister.

By the way that issue is one of my favorites ever!!

#31 Posted by Wolfy (1 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually got into comic books because I'm such a large Mister Sinister fan. I'm not sure he entirely qualifies as evil, only because what he is trying to accomplish is not inherently evil. However, his methods are dark and generally frowned upon. He is well aware of this, and in one comic stated that it does disturb him because he "is not a monster". It was an interesting read. =)

As to the question of his name? His wife said it to him before she died. Because he was trying to bring their son back to life. Oo, evil.

I agree Aztec, I love Sinister. I even enjoyed his ultimate counterpart. I doubt he'll stay dead; the guy has suffered a lot more fatalities than that. Hasn't he been shown in the past to be immune to Rogue's power, no less? I hope if he does come back its with his old costuming team. The whole pretty boy look just... didn't jell well in my opinion.

#32 Posted by queenneo (34 posts) - - Show Bio

Hello, I am new to the site, but I felt I should join in. I agree with Wolfy in that the only reason I started to read comics was because of the Mr. Sinister Character. He seemed so different, he didn't just want to take over the world or kill humans, he was more a behind the scene kind of villain. I stopped reading comices for a LONG time and I was surprised when I picked up Messiah Complex and saw how he had changed so much. I don't think he is dead, I do think he will come back better than before. However, I have a question, when did he start to grow his hair out. If any one can answer please let me know. Thank you.

#33 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

Welcome to the Vine queenneo, and tho personally I never really thought of when he started to grow his hair out guesses he might be able to check I sure hope your your right about him coming back better than before, because, since he was killed in Messiah Complex, my interest in the X-Men altogether has sort of begun to fade...

#34 Posted by Slinger (7640 posts) - - Show Bio

Apparently he's back and bald...

See Gambler's X-Men thread.

#35 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
Slinger said:
"Apparently he's back and bald...

See Gambler's X-Men thread.
"
o_O really?

fearfully goes to check the thread
#36 Edited by likalaruku (759 posts) - - Show Bio

My favorite villains always cheat death. Just look how many times the Joker has come back. He'd better not have turned into a chick though >:(

& since I can't get the quote button to function.... Sinister means "left handed" not evil.

#37 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah, the sex change thing is pissing me off -_-

#38 Posted by queenneo (34 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, I agree he came back as a women is creepy. I mean, she looks ugly to begin with, but  Sinister should have found a low level mutant to take over and he could have always reinjected himself with othe rmutants DNA like he did before. I do think he won't stay under Shaw for long. I think he will break free and kick ass when he gets tired of Shaw and the Hellfire Club.

#39 Posted by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio

Sinister is awesome: awesoem characters come back.

#40 Posted by BriClops (40 posts) - - Show Bio

i don know if this thread is dead or not but, i too am a sinister fan, man or women haha but i think when he was forced into the other body how she had preparred to prevent him from taking control of her but still gaining his power, he will be dorment in there and somehow take her out of the picture. if he can mind wrestle with profesor x she aint no thang but a chicken wing!

#41 Posted by DarkeyeZ (1 posts) - - Show Bio

Hey all, I'm new to this. I'm a huge Mr. Sinister fan and just wanted to give my feelings about him. His death SUCKED. he's a telepath and about 100 times stronger than Mystique. This shouldn't have happened. He is also known for Cloning, so, He'll be back. as far as him not having good schemes, being a shallow villian or having no motives, well, I think he is very much in depth and has very good themes and motives. just read "the future Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix" to see his awesome orgin.  Sinister was a top Geneticist that firts discovered the "X-gene" that creates Mutants. He took the Idea to Darwin and he thought he was insane. He thought that if you could control the "X-gene" you could get rid of all disease (as everyone would be immue or have a crazy healing factor), and humans would evolve into something better. Apocalypse makes him immortal so that he could see is experiments to the end. He later turns on Apocalypse when he realizes that Apocalypse does not care about anything beyond survival of the fittest. So, Sinister see's Apocalypse as a threat to his work and tries to make a Mutant strong enough to kill him (was supposed to be Cable, but Apocalypse found out this plan and infected Cable with a virus preventing him from ever fully accessing his powers). Sinister still schemes to kill Apocalypse, but his methods clash with the X-men.
Mr. Sinister is my favorite villian of all time (with The Joker coming in a close second).
They better bring him back. and this whole "Miss Sinister thing is just embarassing

#42 Edited by likalaruku (759 posts) - - Show Bio
aztek the lost said:
"

What are your opinions on Sinister's death and possible return?

I happened to hate it, not just because Sinister is my favorite character but because he deserves a better death. I believe he will return...

considers sharing Gambler's views so more people will pay attention to the thread but decides against it

"
Of my six favorites, Sinister is my most-est favorite  :p

I'd be just as pissed if he was replaced by a woman as if he was killed off. He has more potential & he's foxy to boot. It's the impact you'd have if your favorite male rockstar suddenly got a sex changeout of the blue. If you're a hetero man, it's more like your favorite female celebrity getting a meat package & a breast reduction.

For me, it would be like DC getting rid of the Joker.

spirito said:
"

MYSTIQUE OWNED SINISTER GO MYSTIQUE WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"
Oh, the irony of my favorite female character shooting my favorite villain. & exatcly how the fuck did she do it? He's asposta be invincible n stuff!   :(
#43 Posted by ArtJoker (521 posts) - - Show Bio

At first i had mixed feelings towards this guy, however when i look back when i was a kid watching the TV show in the 90s he was probably the one villan who stood out to me. he was as twisted as Magneto. for me personally some of the best villains are the ones who view their actions as just despite how bad or good. for example Magneto was a victim of the Holocaust and his belief of homo superior being the superior species eventually turned him into the force that he was a victim of.  I suppose i do feel sad because Sinister was killed off. i think what made him such a good villan was because he was never afraid to cross the line, like being the mastermind behind the morlock mutant massacre, in order to kill off the weaker mutants in order to increase the chances of the creation of far superior mutant through reproduction, from what i understand. sorry if i went off on a tangent. i guess what im saying is that i thought he was a great villan, and that he should come back with a vengence!!! : )

#44 Posted by Bastion the Master--Sentinel (60 posts) - - Show Bio
i hope nothing in marvel stay dead,i hope so strong that Thanos come back!!
the death of sinister was for me the most shocking moment in messias complex
now i hate mystique cause she killed the BIGGEST Genetic on the whole world,his genius was once even bigger than the of the high evolutionary
#45 Edited by Edamame (28401 posts) - - Show Bio

Will he ever come back?
 
@Shatterstar said:

"

aztek_the_lost says:

"Slinger says:
"aztek_the_lost says:
"you never knew what Sinister was really planning"

That was exactly my problem, he was evil for the sake of being evil, which doesn't make sense, he has to have some kind of motive. Have they ever done a real origin story? Something to shed some light on all of that?"

yeah...check the page

he's not really evil, his motive is to create or find the ultimate mutant to release him from Apocalypse's shadow"

If he's not really evil why would he call himself... Mr. Sinister? For that matter form & lead groups called the Nasty Boys & Marauders?

"
Agreed.
#46 Posted by warlock360 (28064 posts) - - Show Bio

oh, yes.

#47 Posted by Edamame (28401 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe after Second Coming.

#48 Posted by Edamame (28401 posts) - - Show Bio

He has unofficially returned as Miss Sinister anyway.

#49 Posted by EnSabahNurX (2294 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edamame said:
He has unofficially returned as Miss Sinister anyway.
^__^ now mr sinister and misses sinister are separate people(x-23 ongoing I forget which issue)
#50 Posted by Edamame (28401 posts) - - Show Bio
@EnSabahNurX: Is that so?
Interesting.

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