Why can't Mr. Fantastic be better than Iron Man?

#1 Posted by jhazzroucher (15834 posts) - - Show Bio

Reed Richards is more intelligent and he can do more about technologies and better stuff than Iron Man.

Why can't he be better?

If it's his powers make him not suitable, he can make one for one of the members of Fantastic Four or even create Fantasticbots which could be better than Doom's Doombots.

He can create hundreds of Fantastinels (better than sentinels) to protect people and stop crime.

Why can't he?

#2 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33495 posts) - - Show Bio
@jhazzroucher: Better how?
#3 Posted by jhazzroucher (15834 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@jhazzroucher: Better how?

well he can create a suit better than Iron Man's

#4 Posted by Imagine_Man15 (1801 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous: I think in regards to technology and robotics.

I think Reed could probably give Tony a run for his money... but engineering and robotics is Tony's thing. I think while Reed is overall a better scientists and more intelligent, Stark surpasses him in two categories; strategy and engineering.

That's just my opinion, though.

#5 Posted by Lvenger (20058 posts) - - Show Bio

@Imagine_Man15 said:

@Jonny_Anonymous: I think in regards to technology and robotics.

I think Reed could probably give Tony a run for his money... but engineering and robotics is Tony's thing. I think while Reed is overall a better scientists and more intelligent, Stark surpasses him in two categories; strategy and engineering.

That's just my opinion, though.

This is the most suitable answer. Reed's the better scientist, Tony's a better engineer and strategist.

#6 Posted by jhazzroucher (15834 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lvenger said:

@Imagine_Man15 said:

@Jonny_Anonymous: I think in regards to technology and robotics.

I think Reed could probably give Tony a run for his money... but engineering and robotics is Tony's thing. I think while Reed is overall a better scientists and more intelligent, Stark surpasses him in two categories; strategy and engineering.

That's just my opinion, though.

This is the most suitable answer. Reed's the better scientist, Tony's a better engineer and strategist.

come on guys. Reed can make time machines and other stuff that is better than Iron Man's

#7 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

@Lvenger said:

@Imagine_Man15 said:

@Jonny_Anonymous: I think in regards to technology and robotics.

I think Reed could probably give Tony a run for his money... but engineering and robotics is Tony's thing. I think while Reed is overall a better scientists and more intelligent, Stark surpasses him in two categories; strategy and engineering.

That's just my opinion, though.

This is the most suitable answer. Reed's the better scientist, Tony's a better engineer and strategist.

come on guys. Reed can make time machines and other stuff that is better than Iron Man's

Aside from your fanboy wetdream, why would he even care about outdoing Tony?

#8 Posted by jhazzroucher (15834 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@Lvenger said:

@Imagine_Man15 said:

@Jonny_Anonymous: I think in regards to technology and robotics.

I think Reed could probably give Tony a run for his money... but engineering and robotics is Tony's thing. I think while Reed is overall a better scientists and more intelligent, Stark surpasses him in two categories; strategy and engineering.

That's just my opinion, though.

This is the most suitable answer. Reed's the better scientist, Tony's a better engineer and strategist.

come on guys. Reed can make time machines and other stuff that is better than Iron Man's

Aside from your fanboy wetdream, why would he even care about outdoing Tony?

not really outdoing Tony. It's just that if Tony could do it, he could do better. he can make a suit that can fly faster, blaster that are more powerful, etc. That way, it will also be easier for him to save the world if he brings his stuff by making his own suit

#9 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

not really outdoing Tony. It's just that if Tony could do it, he could do better. he can make a suit that can fly faster, blaster that are more powerful, etc. That way, it will also be easier for him to save the world if he brings his stuff by making his own suit

"Oh he's not outdoing Tony! He's just doing everything Tony does, but better!"

#10 Posted by jhazzroucher (15834 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

@jhazzroucher said:

not really outdoing Tony. It's just that if Tony could do it, he could do better. he can make a suit that can fly faster, blaster that are more powerful, etc. That way, it will also be easier for him to save the world if he brings his stuff by making his own suit

"Oh he's not outdoing Tony! He's just doing everything Tony does, but better!"

well, i guess yes.

but not on drinking and girls. : )

#11 Posted by Lvenger (20058 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

@jhazzroucher said:

not really outdoing Tony. It's just that if Tony could do it, he could do better. he can make a suit that can fly faster, blaster that are more powerful, etc. That way, it will also be easier for him to save the world if he brings his stuff by making his own suit

"Oh he's not outdoing Tony! He's just doing everything Tony does, but better!"

Lol. Your snide remarks always do make me chuckle.

#12 Edited by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@jhazzroucher said:

not really outdoing Tony. It's just that if Tony could do it, he could do better. he can make a suit that can fly faster, blaster that are more powerful, etc. That way, it will also be easier for him to save the world if he brings his stuff by making his own suit

"Oh he's not outdoing Tony! He's just doing everything Tony does, but better!"

well, i guess yes.

It's fascinating to watch your logic.

It's like a trainwreck, and the train is filled with puppies.

On fire.

#13 Posted by jhazzroucher (15834 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@jhazzroucher said:

not really outdoing Tony. It's just that if Tony could do it, he could do better. he can make a suit that can fly faster, blaster that are more powerful, etc. That way, it will also be easier for him to save the world if he brings his stuff by making his own suit

"Oh he's not outdoing Tony! He's just doing everything Tony does, but better!"

well, i guess yes.

It's fascinating to watch your logic.

It's like a trainwreck, and the train is filled with puppies.

On fire.

well, the way you use that word created a pejorative effect that's why i didn't agree to it.

#14 Posted by JonSmith (3996 posts) - - Show Bio

Partially because Reed looks up to Tony, hard as that may be to believe. Tony's something of an idol to Reed, and that may be one reason. Aside from that, Reed is more into metaphysics, alternate dimensions, etc. Tony's all about the hardware. Different fields. But you and Venom keep duking it out. I brought popcorn.

#15 Edited by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@jhazzroucher said:

not really outdoing Tony. It's just that if Tony could do it, he could do better. he can make a suit that can fly faster, blaster that are more powerful, etc. That way, it will also be easier for him to save the world if he brings his stuff by making his own suit

"Oh he's not outdoing Tony! He's just doing everything Tony does, but better!"

well, i guess yes.

It's fascinating to watch your logic.

It's like a trainwreck, and the train is filled with puppies.

On fire.

well, the way you use that word created a pejorative effect that's why i didn't agree to it.

I...

I just.

#16 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

No need to create armour. Even though his power is always underwritten, he's essentially invulnerable to physical attacks. Combined that with his plot guns, and there's no way he's not better.

#17 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh boy...

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#18 Posted by Gibbet (617 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher: The same reason why they made him 'useless' because Marvel kinda wants to relate with the real world , in a sense that 9/11 occurs in a world where heroes can stop it at will (that is crap). If not then Reed will usher the earth in a space age and bump earth up several notches on the Kardashev scale. (but noooo.... marvel wants a relatable palate of comics)

#19 Posted by ColonelRunAway (370 posts) - - Show Bio

Reed's still more of a scientist than a traditional hero. He'll do whatever is necessary to help humanity, but he's not the type to patrol the streets looking for random crime when he could be playing with the higgs boson or something. Creating an army of fascist policebots to go all Shadowland on the world falls pretty strictly into sticking his nose where it doesn't belong territory.

Plus the whole robot idea always leads to a Skynet scenario. Always. Every single time.

#20 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (5624 posts) - - Show Bio

@ColonelRunAway said:

Reed's still more of a scientist than a traditional hero. He'll do whatever is necessary to help humanity, but he's not the type to patrol the streets looking for random crime when he could be playing with the higgs boson or something. Creating an army of fascist policebots to go all Shadowland on the world falls pretty strictly into sticking his nose where it doesn't belong territory.

Plus the whole robot idea always leads to a Skynet scenario. Always. Every single time.

I agree with everything you said. And your so right about the Robot Cops. As smart as Reed is can you imagine what would happen if he sat down and really did some tinkering? The Marvel U has had trouble with Pyms Ultron Imagine what would happen if Reed made a similar machine and it went nuts? Oh and if the Op wants to see Reed outshine Tony abit then they should read Ultimates. Reed basically made fools of the whole Ultimate U.

#21 Posted by jhazzroucher (15834 posts) - - Show Bio

@Guardiandevil83 said:

@ColonelRunAway said:

Reed's still more of a scientist than a traditional hero. He'll do whatever is necessary to help humanity, but he's not the type to patrol the streets looking for random crime when he could be playing with the higgs boson or something. Creating an army of fascist policebots to go all Shadowland on the world falls pretty strictly into sticking his nose where it doesn't belong territory.

Plus the whole robot idea always leads to a Skynet scenario. Always. Every single time.

I agree with everything you said. And your so right about the Robot Cops. As smart as Reed is can you imagine what would happen if he sat down and really did some tinkering? The Marvel U has had trouble with Pyms Ultron Imagine what would happen if Reed made a similar machine and it went nuts? Oh and if the Op wants to see Reed outshine Tony abit then they should read Ultimates. Reed basically made fools of the whole Ultimate U.

how about he'll just made one that has a controller so that he doesn't need to go to the crime scene and just help and look at it through the robot that's he's controlling

#22 Posted by X35 (5981 posts) - - Show Bio

because he doesn't have a movie out

#23 Edited by Guardiandevil83 (5624 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

@Guardiandevil83 said:

@ColonelRunAway said:

Reed's still more of a scientist than a traditional hero. He'll do whatever is necessary to help humanity, but he's not the type to patrol the streets looking for random crime when he could be playing with the higgs boson or something. Creating an army of fascist policebots to go all Shadowland on the world falls pretty strictly into sticking his nose where it doesn't belong territory.

Plus the whole robot idea always leads to a Skynet scenario. Always. Every single time.

I agree with everything you said. And your so right about the Robot Cops. As smart as Reed is can you imagine what would happen if he sat down and really did some tinkering? The Marvel U has had trouble with Pyms Ultron Imagine what would happen if Reed made a similar machine and it went nuts? Oh and if the Op wants to see Reed outshine Tony abit then they should read Ultimates. Reed basically made fools of the whole Ultimate U.

how about he'll just made one that has a controller so that he doesn't need to go to the crime scene and just help and look at it through the robot that's he's controlling

Theres still no gurrantee with machines/computers. They can still be compromised.

#24 Posted by jhazzroucher (15834 posts) - - Show Bio

@Guardiandevil83 said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@Guardiandevil83 said:

@ColonelRunAway said:

Reed's still more of a scientist than a traditional hero. He'll do whatever is necessary to help humanity, but he's not the type to patrol the streets looking for random crime when he could be playing with the higgs boson or something. Creating an army of fascist policebots to go all Shadowland on the world falls pretty strictly into sticking his nose where it doesn't belong territory.

Plus the whole robot idea always leads to a Skynet scenario. Always. Every single time.

I agree with everything you said. And your so right about the Robot Cops. As smart as Reed is can you imagine what would happen if he sat down and really did some tinkering? The Marvel U has had trouble with Pyms Ultron Imagine what would happen if Reed made a similar machine and it went nuts? Oh and if the Op wants to see Reed outshine Tony abit then they should read Ultimates. Reed basically made fools of the whole Ultimate U.

how about he'll just made one that has a controller so that he doesn't need to go to the crime scene and just help and look at it through the robot that's he's controlling

Theres still no gurrantee with machines/computers. They can still be compromised.

but he himself can also be compromised

#25 Posted by jloneblackheart (5519 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the real question is "Why can't Iron Man be better than Mr. Fantastic?"

Reed's smarter and doesn't need a suit. Plus, he doesn't regularly turn his back on his friends or have the personal problems Tony has.

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#26 Edited by allthatsgeek (127 posts) - - Show Bio

@jloneblackheart: I like to think of it as "Reed focuses on grown up big boy inventions" Whereas "Tony just builds a suit of armor to huck at it"

Suits of armor would be a step down for Reed.

#27 Posted by infonation (1665 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher: Reed already HAS developed a suit of armor similar to the Iron Man suit! When Ben Grimm lost his powers as the Thing, he needed an edge. So Reed built him a robotic suit that looked like the Thing and was almost as powerful until Ben was transformed back!

#28 Posted by allthatsgeek (127 posts) - - Show Bio

@infonation said:

@jhazzroucher: Reed already HAS developed a suit of armor similar to the Iron Man suit! When Ben Grimm lost his powers as the Thing, he needed an edge. So Reed built him a robotic suit that looked like the Thing and was almost as powerful until Ben was transformed back!

I'm guessing this is probably the same suit used by "Miss Thing" in the new FF book...

#29 Posted by PowerHerc (84155 posts) - - Show Bio

There is no reason why he can't.

He can.

#30 Posted by SoA (4839 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher: reed is boring , stark is cool . the end.

#31 Posted by ColonelRunAway (370 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

@Guardiandevil83 said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@Guardiandevil83 said:

@ColonelRunAway said:

Reed's still more of a scientist than a traditional hero. He'll do whatever is necessary to help humanity, but he's not the type to patrol the streets looking for random crime when he could be playing with the higgs boson or something. Creating an army of fascist policebots to go all Shadowland on the world falls pretty strictly into sticking his nose where it doesn't belong territory.

Plus the whole robot idea always leads to a Skynet scenario. Always. Every single time.

I agree with everything you said. And your so right about the Robot Cops. As smart as Reed is can you imagine what would happen if he sat down and really did some tinkering? The Marvel U has had trouble with Pyms Ultron Imagine what would happen if Reed made a similar machine and it went nuts? Oh and if the Op wants to see Reed outshine Tony abit then they should read Ultimates. Reed basically made fools of the whole Ultimate U.

how about he'll just made one that has a controller so that he doesn't need to go to the crime scene and just help and look at it through the robot that's he's controlling

Theres still no gurrantee with machines/computers. They can still be compromised.

but he himself can also be compromised

If he's just sitting in a lab with a remote control, then he's still wasting roughly as much time as it would take to actually go out and do it in the first place, only he isn't actually using any of his abilities. The only way it'd come close to being more efficient is if he let someone else take the controls while he focused his abilities on whatever it is he usually does when he's not in the field. Except now in addition to his normal workload, he needs to spend a few hours and millions of dollars on maintenance for it. All so it can either A) replace him on the standard FF missions that he has a good decade of field experience on and can handle for free, or B) deal with situations like street crime or terrorism that he has no particular interest in, is usually efficiently dealt with by the tens of thousands of other local heroes, and could probably guilt Ben and Johnny into handling for him if it ever got serious enough to warrant his attention.

#32 Posted by MrShway88 (655 posts) - - Show Bio

@Imagine_Man15: Better Scientist? What Science?

#33 Posted by Imagine_Man15 (1801 posts) - - Show Bio

@MrShway88: I don't really keep up with Fantastic Four, but doesn't Reed consistently do things such as create time machines, transverse dimensions, design and build advanced technology, and other things that generally require the application of science?

Unless you were talking about Tony, in which case, we're both making the same point in a roundabout way.

#34 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8867 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

Why can't he be better?

Because he's a douchy villain, one of the most devious and cunning in the Marvel U. Having convinced even his writers that he's not a villain.

#35 Posted by jhazzroucher (15834 posts) - - Show Bio

@SoA said:

@jhazzroucher: reed is boring , stark is cool . the end.

The reason I like reading Fantastic Four is because of what Reed is saying.

#36 Posted by SoA (4839 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher: ive read ff after johnny died , and its not bad a book . but im answering the question why cant reed be better than stark.stark is cooler .

here is a loophole for AvX fans why didn't they get the FF involved with taking out phoenix? reed to his credit must've had at least 20-30 ideas on how to go about it.

#37 Posted by aaunderoath (165 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher said:

Reed Richards is more intelligent and he can do more about technologies and better stuff than Iron Man.

Why can't he be better?

If it's his powers make him not suitable, he can make one for one of the members of Fantastic Four or even create Fantasticbots which could be better than Doom's Doombots.

He can create hundreds of Fantastinels (better than sentinels) to protect people and stop crime.

Why can't he?

going to be honest .. didnt read the rest of the thread so if this was said already i'm sorry :P

All of Marvel's smart guys specialize in something different, so technically there isn't really a smartest one. Reed, Pym, Stark, and Beast all specialize in different areas, this is explained in an event or something can't remember where. Stark is an Engineering genius, Pym is Bio-Chemistry, Reed is Astro physics mainly, and Beast I can't remember. But the point is these guys specialties don't overlap very much, they're better than everyone else in all branches of science but they're smarter than each other in specific areas.

:) hope that helped lol

#38 Posted by soduh2 (865 posts) - - Show Bio

Reed is kind of ADD with his inventions.

#39 Posted by Thinkagain (47 posts) - - Show Bio

@X35 said:

because he doesn't have a movie out

Correct.

How very observant of you.

You just won the internet.

I'm serious.

#40 Posted by madhattervx (17 posts) - - Show Bio

Why can't he be better? He can't even be as good. Why? Because he is the epitome of the boring, arsehole scientist and a complete douchebag.

Tony can be an ass, but he is at least cool, and a more interesting character. This guy is so uninteresting, and yet so irritating to me that he might as well be Spock from the original Star Trek, mixed with stretch arm-strong. I know I will get hate for this, but I really hate Reed. A lot.

#41 Posted by CelticJedi (24 posts) - - Show Bio

Have you read Mark Millar's run for Fantastic Four? He makes an Anti-Galactus suit that one-shots a super security bot that took out most of the Marvel U's heroes, including Iron Man, only moments before. If Reed were to dedicate himself to designing weapons of war or suits of destruction I'm certain he could rival or maybe surpass Tony Stark, that just being my own opinion of what a driven Reed with a single purpose is capable of. However, as it stands, Reed has never been focused on fighting. That's not what he nor any other member of the FF has ever been about. The Thing likes his "Clobberin' Time!" but he's not the Hulk, Johnny is rash and near vigilante but even he keeps his cool more often than not, and Sue would leave Reed before she saw him retool his genius in order to build an armament of weapons.

Reed and the FF are, always have been, and I hope always will be, explorers and protectors. They have remained "true" to their origins from the 60's more than most characters in the Marvel U over the last few decades. They defend the earth from alien civilizations and intergalactic foes, they time travel, they take family vacations across the stars or to the future, or they deal with the machinations and scheming of Doctor Doom or another villain who happens to think they've got their backs turned. Iron Man has always seen his role as more of an active protector who believes a "strong offense is the best defense". So while Tony and Reed may be very near one another in terms of raw intellectual capability, with a slight edge in favor of Reed, the application of their intellects is what sets them apart. I like the Fantastic Four because they are a family with fun and dangerous adventures, not because I want them to be flying tanks.

#42 Edited by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@jhazzroucher: His character kinda went down after the 80's removed badassitude and confidence to sell out more 'hipper' characters. He had to be useless since he can solve all earth's problems in less than 30 minutes. Also able to bring earth into the future.

#43 Posted by ComicStooge (12903 posts) - - Show Bio

He is better.

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#44 Posted by MartianManhunterIsBetterThanCyborg (2243 posts) - - Show Bio

Because Mr.Fantastic isn't associated with Robert Downey Jr.

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