Why don't Moon Knight comics last long?

Posted by CyberWarrior (1523 posts) 1 year, 2 months ago

Poll: Why don't Moon Knight comics last long? (37 votes)

He's not popular enough. 57%
Marvel can't handle the character well. 43%

In the far 1975's August a new Marvel character was born. Straightly after this appearence (as the character aproved to be popular to readers) he had several solo spots and ended up with an ongoing series in 1980. But those didn't last for long: after #38(!) the issue was cancelled. After short-period incorporation in the Secret Avengers new series, the most long-term ones, were launched: Marc Spector: Moon Knight (what is pretty fun despite the fact that Spector has multiple idenities). But #60 was the last of it!

7 ears later, in 2006, Charlie Huston (soon replaced by Mike Benson) and David Finch took the character in his hands. Guess what? In 2009, MK is killed again with #30, only to be ressurected in 2010 with "The Vengeance of the Moon Knight" 10 issues-long title, and cancel again(!!).

Appart from some Shadowland and Secret Avengers appearences, Marc eats dust on Marvel's cabinet shelf till 2011: the long-awaited Bendis relaunch comes real! - - - deja vu - - - #12 wraps it up. AGAIN.

So then, what for this brief historical inquiry? Read the topics name again. "Why don't Moon Knight comics last long?" Maybe Marvel thinks that like that they make the character more significant? Or it's Moon Knight's curse: he always dies to live again? What do you think?

#1 Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose (6257 posts) - - Show Bio

So 160 solo issues? That's not bad compared to some other characters.

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#2 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel just can't seem to handle him well in on goings. I think he should stick to mini series since he works best on arc by arc basis

#3 Posted by CyberWarrior (1523 posts) - - Show Bio

So 160 solo issues? That's not bad compared to some other characters.

But MK certanly deserves more.

#4 Posted by RedLantern23 (884 posts) - - Show Bio

It sucks to see Moon Knight have limited success as he is one of my favorites. I just think he doesnt have the popularity to keep up with other monthlies on the Marvel roster.

#5 Posted by CyberWarrior (1523 posts) - - Show Bio

It sucks to see Moon Knight have limited success as he is one of my favorites. I just think he doesnt have the popularity to keep up with other monthlies on the Marvel roster.

And they won't get his popularity higher if they keep cancelling brilliant volumes!

Really, if Marvel thinks this is the solution, than they are wrong.

- Make him appear in animated series, and then launch a solo.

...but nope! They wrapted it up not even getting started! (D'oh!)

- Make him playable in videogames, and maybe, with time...

...all you get is a next-gen exclusive for MUA, meanwhile they had a great opportunity to add him to MVSC3 !

#6 Edited by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

I still have yet to read the Moench stuff (I know, I'm ashamed too), but the start of Huston's run was great. It started to drop by the next arc, but I thought he and Finch really did a good job in establishing a new status quo and tone for the character. It helped that Huston was very knowledgeable on MK's history as well. But I think that 'The Bottom' really showed the potential for the character to have his own ongoing - he's carved out his own little niche as a religious zealot/brutal street-leveler in a dark world.

But most of his titles just seem to lose steam after a while. It's sad because I really like Moony, he's got a great visual look and is a very compelling character. Not only his multiple personalities and the Khonshu angle, but the fact that he's a hero because he just likes to hurt others, not because of an inherent goodness.

#7 Posted by Danial79 (2347 posts) - - Show Bio

Sadly, he's just not popular enough. How do you make him popular? I wouldn't have a clue. The fact that Marvel keep giving him series means that they like him, it's just the general comic-reading population that don't.

And they won't get his popularity higher if they keep cancelling brilliant volumes!

That's not entirely fair to Marvel. They only cancel them because sales are low.

- Make him playable in videogames, and maybe, with time...

...all you get is a next-gen exclusive for MUA, meanwhile they had a great opportunity to add him to MVSC3 !

I don't think it works that way. From what I understand, the game developers say "we want these characters" and then Marvel/DC say "yay" or "nay".

@veshark said:

... the fact that he's a hero because he just likes to hurt others, not because of an inherent goodness.

That was only really in the 2006 run. Up until that point, he fought because he was acting as Khonshu's agent, and felt he was doing good to make amends for his villainous past as a mercenary.

#8 Posted by RedLantern23 (884 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyberwarrior: The "if you build it they will come" theory doesnt really work. If its not an Avengers or X title its not gonna sell well (just by simply creating it)

I do like the idea of him making cameos in animated series, and then possibly branching out into his own...

#9 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

@danial79

Perhaps it's a deep-down type thing? I hope they explore that again, because it was a facet of Marc that was really interesting.

#10 Posted by cameron83 (7204 posts) - - Show Bio

@danial79 said:

Sadly, he's just not popular enough. How do you make him popular? I wouldn't have a clue. The fact that Marvel keep giving him series means that they like him, it's just the general comic-reading population that don't.

@cyberwarrior said:

And they won't get his popularity higher if they keep cancelling brilliant volumes!

That's not entirely fair to Marvel. They only cancel them because sales are low.

@cyberwarrior said:

- Make him playable in videogames, and maybe, with time...

...all you get is a next-gen exclusive for MUA, meanwhile they had a great opportunity to add him to MVSC3 !

I don't think it works that way. From what I understand, the game developers say "we want these characters" and then Marvel/DC say "yay" or "nay".

@veshark said:

... the fact that he's a hero because he just likes to hurt others, not because of an inherent goodness.

That was only really in the 2006 run. Up until that point, he fought because he was acting as Khonshu's agent, and felt he was doing good to make amends for his villainous past as a mercenary.

I completely agree.And you can also tell that they were really trying hard to make him popular in comics by having him and other popular characters appear in his comic and involving him in others.To be honest,he has the potential,and Marvel tries,it's just that since he isn't that popular not a lot of people read his books (and sometimes the issues are disliked,like Bendis' run.So the consensus is that it's bad).

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#11 Posted by CyberWarrior (1523 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyberwarrior: The "if you build it they will come" theory doesnt really work. If its not an Avengers or X title its not gonna sell well (just by simply creating it)

I do like the idea of him making cameos in animated series, and then possibly branching out into his own...

Sadly, he never appeared anywere. He was mentioned in Blade animated series tough...

#12 Posted by CyberWarrior (1523 posts) - - Show Bio

@danial79 said:

Sadly, he's just not popular enough. How do you make him popular? I wouldn't have a clue. The fact that Marvel keep giving him series means that they like him, it's just the general comic-reading population that don't.

@cyberwarrior said:

And they won't get his popularity higher if they keep cancelling brilliant volumes!

That's not entirely fair to Marvel. They only cancel them because sales are low.

@cyberwarrior said:

- Make him playable in videogames, and maybe, with time...

...all you get is a next-gen exclusive for MUA, meanwhile they had a great opportunity to add him to MVSC3 !

I don't think it works that way. From what I understand, the game developers say "we want these characters" and then Marvel/DC say "yay" or "nay".

Perhaps your right... Let's just hope that new, better handled series will come out as soon as possible.

#13 Posted by daredevil21134 (11510 posts) - - Show Bio

I love this character a lot but I think a lot of writers take the whole crazy thing to far

#14 Posted by Danial79 (2347 posts) - - Show Bio

I love this character a lot but I think a lot of writers take the whole crazy thing to far

Agreed. Like a lot of people here, I think he needs to be written with a Crime Noir mentality, rather than an Avengers one.

#15 Posted by CyberWarrior (1523 posts) - - Show Bio

@danial79 said:

@daredevil21134 said:

I love this character a lot but I think a lot of writers take the whole crazy thing to far

Agreed. Like a lot of people here, I think he needs to be written with a Crime Noir mentality, rather than an Avengers one.

I think the same. The Vengeance of The Moon Knight title with less Khonsu appearances would be perfect.

#16 Posted by ScrubbedOut (35 posts) - - Show Bio

I still think the Bendis run was brilliant. It really took Moon Knight to a whole new level. It really set him apart from characters like Batman, Black Panther, etc

#17 Edited by Danial79 (2347 posts) - - Show Bio

I still think the Bendis run was brilliant. It really took Moon Knight to a whole new level. It really set him apart from characters like Batman, Black Panther, etc

And really added something that's never been part of the character before :P

#18 Edited by CyberWarrior (1523 posts) - - Show Bio

I still think the Bendis run was brilliant. It really took Moon Knight to a whole new level. It really set him apart from characters like Batman, Black Panther, etc

I have to admit: Bendis run had something. But as for me, I hate the idea that MK is weak and unknown so much, that I couldn't finish those 12 issues. I stoped somewhere at #9...

#19 Posted by IrishX (2354 posts) - - Show Bio

@danial79: That's right danial. But you could say It developed from having a previous history with mental instability. It really never was that big of a leap to have MK take on those personalities. Sorry. I can however understand why you weren't happy with it as I wasn't either.

The Bendis/Maleev (so happy that I got 12 issues of MK done by Maleev) series was better than it is given credit for though. People just have certain feelings towards Bendis and in a way the series was doomed before it even began. In the end I just don't think he's popular enough to sustain a series and I really don't think he ever will be.

I'm dying to have a Moon Knight title back on the shelves again. Hopefully we get one with a good dark artist like Dennis Calero who did the art on Spider-Man Noir and with a writer who loves the character as much as MK's fans do.

#20 Posted by QueenCorp15 (1033 posts) - - Show Bio

Need to find the right creative team

#21 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

Bendis killed the character after the terrific Vengeance of the Moon Knight wasn't a popular draw.

Naturally, Marvel felt the answer was to ruin everything about the character and a few others in trademark Bendis fashion.

#22 Posted by IrishX (2354 posts) - - Show Bio

Bendis killed the character and the terrific Vengeance of the Moon Knight wasn't a popular draw.

Naturally, Marvel felt the answer was to ruin everything about the character and a few others in trademark Bendis fashion.

Loved Vengeance.

#23 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

@irishx said:

@fadetoblackbolt said:

Bendis killed the character and the terrific Vengeance of the Moon Knight wasn't a popular draw.

Naturally, Marvel felt the answer was to ruin everything about the character and a few others in trademark Bendis fashion.

Loved Vengeance.

Same. I wasn't the biggest Moon Knight fan, but that series really got me into the character. I read the first half of the previous run after that. Can't remember why I stopped.

#24 Posted by daredevil21134 (11510 posts) - - Show Bio

Bendis killed the character after the terrific Vengeance of the Moon Knight wasn't a popular draw.

Naturally, Marvel felt the answer was to ruin everything about the character and a few others in trademark Bendis fashion.

Agreed.Vengeance was awsome!

#25 Edited by Black Lantern Mar-vell (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

Well IDK for sure but I really tend to lean toward Marvel dropping the ball with the character more than an issue of popularity. Either way though it's a shame that Moon Knight can't stick around. Marc Spector is an interesting hero.

#26 Posted by tupiaz (2180 posts) - - Show Bio

@danial79 said:

Sadly, he's just not popular enough. How do you make him popular? I wouldn't have a clue. The fact that Marvel keep giving him series means that they like him, it's just the general comic-reading population that don't.

This. However you could try an animated movie.

So 160 solo issues? That's not bad compared to some other characters.

This.

But MK certanly deserves more.

Why?

#27 Posted by CaptainHoopla (990 posts) - - Show Bio

@queencorp15: I'd like to see Marvel hire Ales Kot to write it. Did a stellar job on a couple issues of Suicide Squad until DC decided to "part ways" for whatever reason.

#28 Edited by QueenCorp15 (1033 posts) - - Show Bio

@captainhoopla: kots is not that bad id like to see maybe jason aaron or maybe mark waid , or hickman

#29 Posted by MaccyD (3978 posts) - - Show Bio

Dont know about popularity, he seems to be a cult favourite.

#30 Posted by foolkiller1 (229 posts) - - Show Bio

What moon knight needs is a frank miller or warren Ellis. What was daredevil before frank miller? Warren Ellis wrote 6 issues of iron man and forever changed peoples perception of iron man (at least before the movie.) He needs a writer to completely change moon knight's entire world to make him stand out like frank miller did with daredevil.

#31 Posted by Danial79 (2347 posts) - - Show Bio

@foolkiller1: I loved Warren Ellis' portrayal of Moon Knight in Secret Avengers, so I'd be more than happy to see him write a Moon Knight series :)

#32 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4774 posts) - - Show Bio

Because Batman exists. What? It's not like he's blind, gay, or a previous sidekick. ( + )

#33 Posted by foolkiller1 (229 posts) - - Show Bio

@danial79:

Same here. He can take characters he's unfamiliar with and make them appeal to a huge audience.

#34 Edited by CyberWarrior (1523 posts) - - Show Bio

An animated movie. Make him one of the protagonists.

#35 Posted by tparks (4913 posts) - - Show Bio

Huston and Finch did an awesome job with him. I don't think it's that Marvel can't handle him. When he has good writers he is a great character. Bendis' run where he was having multiple personalities of wolverine, spiderman, and Cap was terrible. It was some of the worst garbage I've ever read. I should make that tried to read, I quit reading after the second issue I think.

#36 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (33067 posts) - - Show Bio

Moon Knight like the Punisher is a character who works best solo in there own little corner of the universe, trying to ram Spider-Man or the Avengers in to every story waters the character down whitch usually ends up turning him in to "crazy Batman" the problem is readers refuse to read any character regardless how well the book is written if it does not involve the Avengers or the "bigger picture"

#37 Posted by CyberWarrior (1523 posts) - - Show Bio

Moon Knight like the Punisher is a character who works best solo in there own little corner of the universe, trying to ram Spider-Man or the Avengers in to every story waters the character down whitch usually ends up turning him in to "crazy Batman" the problem is readers refuse to read any character regardless how well the book is written if it does not involve the Avengers or the "bigger picture"

Time-after-time appearences can be cool if handled correctly. However, in the oposite case, it can ruin the story.

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