Daily Dose: Batma -er- Moon Knight Reviewed!

Posted by No_Name_ (17403 posts) - - Show Bio

Batgirl #4

Written by: Bryan Q. Miller
Art by: Lee Garbett
 
Perhaps it is her new suit that has been custom made for her, or maybe it has just taken four issues to do it, but it finally feels like Stephanie Brown is adjusting to being Batgirl. The story is set a week following the point which we saw her last and Miller seems to think that is enough time for clumsy Steph to suddenly be really good at fighting crime. Maybe it is just me, but I am having a difficult time believing that Stephanie could improve this much in such a short amount of time. Having said that, this is the best issue so far since the first one which I thought to be relatively good. My main problem is kind of a personal preference in that I feel less comfortable with a character like Barbara Gordon playing second fiddle to Stephanie Brown. There are some scenes where it feels as though Barbara works for Stephanie Brown rather than be her superior. I guess you can say it rubs me the wrong way. Another minor detail I came across was in Barbara's internal monologue where she infers that had it not been due in part to Dick's support after she became handicapped, she is unsure if she would have ever recovered. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe Dick was around to comfort Barbara at all in her time of need, but I digress. There is an interesting interaction between Wendy Harris 
and Barbara and I am interested to see that relationship develop. 
 
3 out of 5
 

Vengeance Of The Moon Knight #3

Written by: Gregg Hurwitz
Art by: Jerome Opena
 
If you are unfamiliar with the character (like I was) then this would be a good introduction to the character. First, the writing is good, consistent and flowed well throughout, and the art in the issue is really fantastic. The first few panels in the beginning of the issue where Hood is in a cemetery conjuring up the dead has some really fantastic art work. The writing is good, but I noticed a lot of similarities between Moon Knight's character and a certain "Dark Knight," if you know what I mean. While their individual background stories may differ considerably, there are some similar characters and key concepts that are so similar to characters and concepts in the Batman universe that I often found it difficult to overlook. Not only does the Scarecrow appear in this issue (and his costume is almost identical to the Scarecrow character in the Batman universe,) but they have to throw in an Asylum, too. 
 There is a fun scene, however, in the issue where Spider-Man complains about no longer being the center of attention, which I found to be relatively humorous. If you are looking to gain an understanding of Moon Knight's character, this would be a good book (and I presume, series) to start off with. Even though there does seem to be a lot going on, Hurwitz does a great job organizing everything in the story and writing Moon Knight a fantastic internal monologue that I felt not only drew from the character's history, but also gives the reader a clear indication of Moon Knight's present mind set. Aside from the fact that I still feel that reading Moon Knight is like reading Marvel's version of Batman, it is still a great book.
 
4 out of 5
#1 Posted by rouju (159 posts) - - Show Bio

I just realize that most Batman family hair is non blond, which makes it weird 2 see Steph as new B-Girl.
 
Oh yeah, Dick wasn't around when Barbara was "recovering".

#2 Posted by burr787 (2504 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn't get the same vibe that you got from Batgirl. I absolutely loved this issue but thought that Steph was as clumsy as ever. She would have smashed into the pavement if it wasn't for that tour bus, she talked about forgetting to use the grapple before, and she completely lucked out at the end. As for the teacher and student roles, I think Barbara has more of a 'you can't stop her, so the best you can do is contain her' attitude about Steph. She understands that Steph's going to improvise on every order, and is smart enough to use it in her advantage. Like in Batgirl #3 where Steph disobeyed the order to go home and Barbara ended up guiding her through the fight with Scarcrow anyway.

#3 Edited by Dane (10492 posts) - - Show Bio

A properly written Moon Knight has virtually no similarities to Batman except that they're street levellers. I know it feels like theres similarities, I felt a bit that way too when I first started reading Moon Knight but you come to realise he's nearly as far removed as you can be from the Caped Crusader. He's a rich, deep character and he's totally nuts half the time.

#4 Posted by rouju (159 posts) - - Show Bio
@Dane said:
" A properly written Moon Knight has virtually no similarities to Batman except that they're street levellers. I know it feels like theres similarities, I felt a bit that way too when I first started reading Moon Knight but you come to realise he's nearly as far removed as you can be from the Caped Crusader. He's a rich, deep character and he's totally nuts half the time. "
Frank Miller's All Star Batman?
#5 Posted by Dane (10492 posts) - - Show Bio
@rouju said:
" @Dane said:
" A properly written Moon Knight has virtually no similarities to Batman except that they're street levellers. I know it feels like theres similarities, I felt a bit that way too when I first started reading Moon Knight but you come to realise he's nearly as far removed as you can be from the Caped Crusader. He's a rich, deep character and he's totally nuts half the time. "
Frank Miller's All Star Batman? "
Was created long after and still never reminded me of Moon Knight.
#6 Posted by spider2dfly (230 posts) - - Show Bio

How come its not a video review?

#7 Posted by FoxxFireArt (3536 posts) - - Show Bio

The sudden improvement of Stephanie does seem rather abrupt, but it is comic book logic. People get beat to all hell and somehow are unmarked by the next issue. I'm not sure the author had the time to really of shown much progression. There is often pressure on writers to get the story moving. Publishers I think worry about sales if comics move too slow. It's one of the reasons why I think more independent comics make for stronger stories.
 
That was a nice catch about the statement Barbra makes. It's annoying how writers will twist events that have such meanings. It seems like an odd time to have Barbra reflecting on that time in her life. It also seems twisted having the relationship she has with Stephanie to be more like the Alfred. If anything, I would expect things to be more along the lines of how it was done in the animated Batman Beyond series. How Bruce would pretty much supervise missions. It could make for some nice interactions. Having Barbra watching Stephanie's movements via some video feed as if she's on some sort of probationary period and needs to earn the right to really prove she can go solo.
 
I really don't know much at all about Moonknight. Thanks for the reviews though. I hope you don't mind me saying, but I think your writing has shown some real improvement as of late. I can't quite put my finger on how. Not as if you were a poor writer to begin with from where I stand. You know how when some people write, while technically accurate, it can feel sort of bland? More as if you are in some kind of lecture then a conversation. This feels much more casual. The personality comes through and I believe that makes for a better read.

#8 Posted by Blindside002 (226 posts) - - Show Bio
@burr787 said:
"I didn't get the same vibe that you got from Batgirl. I absolutely loved this issue but thought that Steph was as clumsy as ever. She would have smashed into the pavement if it wasn't for that tour bus, she talked about forgetting to use the grapple before, and she completely lucked out at the end. As for the teacher and student roles, I think Barbara has more of a 'you can't stop her, so the best you can do is contain her' attitude about Steph. She understands that Steph's going to improvise on every order, and is smart enough to use it in her advantage. Like in Batgirl #3 where Steph disobeyed the order to go home and Barbara ended up guiding her through the fight with Scarcrow anyway. "

I pretty much agree with all that is said here.  
 
A question I have though, instead of meaning physically, do you think that Barbara meant if it wasn't because of Dick in the figurative sense? That maybe it was the idea of him that kept her going? That if it wasn't for her feelings for him that she was able to get through it?
#9 Posted by They Killed Cap! (2243 posts) - - Show Bio

"The writing is good, but I noticed a lot of similarities between Moon Knight's character and a certain "Dark Knight," if you know what I mean. While their individual background stories may differ considerably, there are some similar characters and key concepts that are so similar to characters and concepts in the Batman universe that I often found it difficult to overlook. Not only does the Scarecrow appear in this issue (and his costume is almost identical to the Scarecrow character in the Batman universe,) but they have to throw in an Asylum, too." 
 
 
 
I have heard this complaint before...it seems to be kind of common.
#10 Posted by W@de Wilson (42 posts) - - Show Bio

I've heard the Batman/Moon Knight complaints before.  To be honest, I think Moon Knight is a better character.  He's evolved much more then Batman ever has, especially between the 2006 run and this new Vengeance series.  The Scarecrow thing kinda weirded me out too, while I was reading it.  But they did such a good job with him that I forgave it.

#11 Posted by No_Name_ (17403 posts) - - Show Bio
@Blindside002: I don't think so. Dick  didn't come to see her and his actions caused a rift in their relationship, so I think this is an instance of the writer just making things up.
#12 Posted by Nyogtha (353 posts) - - Show Bio

Like people have said Moonknight does have similarities but they really stop at the no powers vigilante with money. I mean his whole back story, Khonshu, his mental state always influx. Plus, does Batman rip peoples faces off to get them out of his mind? An does said victim follow him around as a delusional embodiment of his god, removed face and all?

#13 Posted by Blindside002 (226 posts) - - Show Bio
@Babs:
Well that makes sense. Well atleast it was entertaining, and atleast he isn't the only one that has done it. :)
#14 Posted by Dane (10492 posts) - - Show Bio
@Babs said:
" @Blindside002: I don't think so. Dick  didn't come to see her and his actions caused a rift in their relationship, so I think this is an instance of the writer just making things up. "
It always sucks when a writer neglects to research the characters he's working on or fudges facts for his own storyline. Unfortunate, but on the whole I thought the book (at least for Stephanie) was going in a better direction.
#15 Posted by xerox_kitty (15760 posts) - - Show Bio

I can see where you're coming from with the Barbara & Stephanie relationship.  But in a series called 'Batgirl' she can't be in the spotlight anymore.  It's good that she's there to support the Batgirl legacy she's created... but it really does feel like it isn't enough Babs.

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#16 Posted by burr787 (2504 posts) - - Show Bio
@Blindside002 said:
" @burr787 said:
"I didn't get the same vibe that you got from Batgirl. I absolutely loved this issue but thought that Steph was as clumsy as ever. She would have smashed into the pavement if it wasn't for that tour bus, she talked about forgetting to use the grapple before, and she completely lucked out at the end. As for the teacher and student roles, I think Barbara has more of a 'you can't stop her, so the best you can do is contain her' attitude about Steph. She understands that Steph's going to improvise on every order, and is smart enough to use it in her advantage. Like in Batgirl #3 where Steph disobeyed the order to go home and Barbara ended up guiding her through the fight with Scarcrow anyway. "
I pretty much agree with all that is said here. 
Thanks :)
#17 Posted by Media_Master (2189 posts) - - Show Bio

Moon Knight cut Bushman's (he he ) face off earlier so I guess he's back from the grave, wanting his face back.

#18 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

Moon Knight and Batman are in no way similar besides using gadgets and having capes

#19 Posted by Bearded Justice (751 posts) - - Show Bio

I read a lot of Batman and Moon Knight, and yes, the similarities are there, but... MOON KNIGHT IS BETTER!  There I said it.  Good issue by the way.  I agree 4 of 5.

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