Mjolnir (pronounced myawl-nir) is the enchanted hammer wielded by Thor. It was forged by the dwarf weaponsmiths Brokk and Eitri after a bet with Loki. The name means crusher or grinder.
He Throwed Thor in to the space and then lifted Mjolnir without Gravity
If you actually read what Rulk is saying, that he never actually lifts it, just holding onto it as it's flying, so no, not even Rulk can actually lift it unaided.
If someone aside from high cosmic or mystic beings are capable of lifting Mjolnir (correct spelling, by the way) without being worthy, then it is poor writing. Sad truth.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. Also if someone else is holding it and he has a second of breathing room, can't Thor just call the hammer back to himself?
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He Throwed Thor in to the space and then lifted Mjolnir without Gravity
He didnt lift it, he just jumped while thor was holding onto it, it even has him say it in the scan. then he held onto it in zero gravity. whoop de doo
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why ARE YOU TREATING EVERY COMMENT I SAY LIKE AN INSULT AND R YOU SAYING I AM KISSING THEIR ASS all i was just making a converstation, a friendly one in rulk's defence so no need to get aggressive and if you dont like the issue and had high expectations for it i am sorry but everyone has opinions some love it some hate it some in-between and i too hated what they did ti ross and betty and attaching the lame who is the red hulk gimmick but all i am saying its soething fresh from story centric books like summer action films loud funny and very entertaining so please relax i am just talking with you
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1) captain marvel. 2) blackadam. 3) wonderwoman 4) supermam ( i dont if his vunerable to magic might get in the way). 5) hulk probably 6) champion probably 7) superboy prime easily
LMAO the writers now i care about feat on panel and it happened more than once from very stronge guys this clearly implies strength has to do with it as i said on panel feat
I think it is funny that just because one person says it is bad writing...then it is bad writing. That is poor logic in the same way that he is trying to make out lifting Thors hammer through strength is poor logic.
@They Killed Cap!: Red Hulk taking the hammer from Thor is poor writing. Thor has mental control of the hammer. No one can take it from him save characters with higher power than his mental control, like Magneto's control over the metal in the hammer for example. But even then, I doubt Magneto could lift it once it connects to the ground.
anyone who is mechanical can lift it. Airwalker Ultron Punisher(Herald)
What makes you say that?
old faded memories of Airwalker doing it and hitting Thor with it. the enchantment never was suppose to encompass a machine especially non sentient ones or no concept of morality.
@Dark King: I doubt the reasoning. Airwalker took the hammer from Thor's hands, not lifted it. By that reasoning, when Thor's hammer fell to Earth just prior to his resurrection, the government should have been able to move it at their leisure with robots. They could not.
that is why i said how it was suppose to work of course modern writers started changing aspects of it but old feats still stand. Loki himself once created a magic construct of Thor and tricked Thor into handing over his hammer even then the simple act of giving doesnt remove the enchantment since Thor has actually let go of his hammer in battle and said things like take it and have peoples hands crushed.
The answers are obvious. Anyone who can lift the hammer must meet at least one of the following qualifications:
A) They must be worthy according to the stipulations of the enchantment, which encompasses both moral virtue and warrior attitude (which is why Captain America can lift it but Ben Grimm cannot). B) Exist/qualify as an artificial construct (Gabriel Airwalker was a consciousness transferred into an android body, the Destroyer was a magical construct with a pseudo-consciousness) C) Powerful enough to break the enchantment.
@Dark King: I doubt the reasoning. Airwalker took the hammer from Thor's hands, not lifted it. By that reasoning, when Thor's hammer fell to Earth just prior to his resurrection, the government should have been able to move it at their leisure with robots. They could not.
Did they even know about the limitations of the enchantment?
Everyone knows you can't physically force the Hammer off the Ground. You have to find the loop holes, like grabbing thor's hand while he's holding it, and beating him with it or something like that. If it's just laying on the ground no unworthy people can lift it period. Now some of them could destroy the planet then grab it while it floats in space that would also be considered a loophole.
He Throwed Thor in to the space and then lifted Mjolnir without Gravity
First off I hated Ross as the Red Hulk too. Second how is this scan used a proof? Rulk didn't lift Mjolnir, he jumped and held onto Thor's hand which held the hammer.
With just strength and Mjolnir standing on the ground; noone coz the enchantment says so.
But then you begin to add all the other stuff, like Rulk taking it from Thor in zero gravity (where the hammer wouldnt rest on anything or weigh anything) or that you use the arms of a worthy to lift it for you (both Rulk and Storm (w/ that copy Loki made for her) has done that with Thor).
Loeb is an idiot, it has never been about the weight of the hammer only about the fact that only those deemed worthy by Odin can lift it so no one weaker than Odin should be able to lift the hammer.
@Dark King: I doubt the reasoning. Airwalker took the hammer from Thor's hands, not lifted it. By that reasoning, when Thor's hammer fell to Earth just prior to his resurrection, the government should have been able to move it at their leisure with robots. They could not.
Did they even know about the limitations of the enchantment?
The government knew about the enchantment. That is how Red Hulk knew about it because he is Thunderbolt Ross. But even if they did not, anyone with eyes can see they need to be worthy to lift it as it is inscribed on the hammer.
@Dark King: I doubt the reasoning. Airwalker took the hammer from Thor's hands, not lifted it. By that reasoning, when Thor's hammer fell to Earth just prior to his resurrection, the government should have been able to move it at their leisure with robots. They could not.
Did they even know about the limitations of the enchantment?
The government knew about the enchantment. That is how Red Hulk knew about it because he is Thunderbolt Ross. But even if they did not, anyone with eyes can see they need to be worthy to lift it as it is inscribed on the hammer.
They only know about the enchantment, not the limitations of the enchantment. The government would not know which qualities make one "worthy" except through empirical induction, and they certainly wouldn't know about the loophole regarding constructs.
Also the Red Hulk feat was bull. Loeb couldn't even get the science right. There is no such thing as "zero gravity" and even if you qualify for a loophole you can't access any of its powers. Red Hulk can't jump with it just because Thor is holding onto it, and he shouldn't have been able to use any lightning with it anyway.
And oh yeah, Thor can recall and control the hammer with his freaking mind. The whole thing is a farce.
I never said that the arc was not sloppy writing. In fact, I am sure I was the first one to point it out. The only thing I took from it was Thunderbolt's knowledge of the hammer, which is clear.
He knew as much as any high up official and when the hammer fell to Earth pre-resurrection, you can bet anyone noteworthy knew about it. Someone like the top cop at the time..... Stark if memory serves. I highly doubt that being a robot means you can bypass the enchantment. The hammer can only be moved by those worthy, excluding those more powerful than the enchantment. If it could have been moved, they would have done it rather than leaving it out in the open for thousands of yahoos to come and give a whack at budging it.
BRB did it, but he was more than worthy i believe.
Although its not cannon i seen scans of Captain Marvel removing the enchantment of the hammer and liffting it. (Not saying he can because as I said that was non-cannon)
Dr. Strange could probably pull something like that off invoking higher powers.
Dr. Doom would find a way, I'm sure he already has taken his hammer at some piont.
Anyone who has or can invoke power that surpasses Odin's own power should be able to take the hammer.
BRB did it, but he was more than worthy i believe. Although its not cannon i seen scans of Captain Marvel removing the enchantment of the hammer and liffting it. (Not saying he can because as I said that was non-cannon) Dr. Strange could probably pull something like that off invoking higher powers. Dr. Doom would find a way, I'm sure he already has taken his hammer at some piont. Anyone who has or can invoke power that surpasses Odin's own power should be able to take the hammer.
i dont recall doom ever lifting the hammer and he has actually outright given up. Doom escaped from hell and went to the hammer thinking it was beckoning him and he failed to lift it in front of the FF
@CosmicSpiral: I never said that the arc was not sloppy writing. In fact, I am sure I was the first one to point it out. The only thing I took from it was Thunderbolt's knowledge of the hammer, which is clear. He knew as much as any high up official and when the hammer fell to Earth pre-resurrection, you can bet anyone noteworthy knew about it. Someone like the top cop at the time..... Stark if memory serves. I highly doubt that being a robot means you can bypass the enchantment. The hammer can only be moved by those worthy, excluding those more powerful than the enchantment. If it could have been moved, they would have done it rather than leaving it out in the open for thousands of yahoos to come and give a whack at budging it.
Yes, being a robot means you can bypass the enchantment. This has been specifically noted several times. None of these were done in public on Earth in full view of any authorities. So it's not unreasonable to believe that the government would know nothing about it.
@CosmicSpiral: I never said that the arc was not sloppy writing. In fact, I am sure I was the first one to point it out. The only thing I took from it was Thunderbolt's knowledge of the hammer, which is clear. He knew as much as any high up official and when the hammer fell to Earth pre-resurrection, you can bet anyone noteworthy knew about it. Someone like the top cop at the time..... Stark if memory serves. I highly doubt that being a robot means you can bypass the enchantment. The hammer can only be moved by those worthy, excluding those more powerful than the enchantment. If it could have been moved, they would have done it rather than leaving it out in the open for thousands of yahoos to come and give a whack at budging it.
Yes, being a robot means you can bypass the enchantment. This has been specifically noted several times. None of these were done in public on Earth in full view of any authorities. So it's not unreasonable to believe that the government would know nothing about it.
Can you give me the issues for these several instances?
If Stark were present for any ONE of those instances, he would have done something about it. Heck, he could have had Machine Man go pick up the hammer for him, who I believe was on government payroll at time as well.
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