Mjolnir (pronounced myawl-nir) is the enchanted hammer wielded by Thor. It was forged by the dwarf weaponsmiths Brokk and Eitri after a bet with Loki. The name means crusher or grinder.
I just read Hulk #5 with Red Hulk vs Thor. I suppose I can get the physics of being able to move Mjolnir out in space but should this be possible? Is this just a loophole that Odin missed when he placed the enchantment on it? Did he just not pay attention during Physics class?
Seems Red Hulk can touch this...in space And sorry for the blurry picture. Since I'm away from home I don't have my scanner, only my iPhone.
"Well I rule out zero gravity. If it was that simple, you could also say someone capable of doing so could catch a thrown hammer since lifting isn't required. That takes me backto Red Hulk being worthy. So lets ask this question... whom has Red Hulk fought with? 1. Abomination....villian 2. She-Hulk... but didn't really destroy her but hinted that he could 3. A-bomb.. we don't know if this version will be a hero or villian 4. Green Hulk... who is considered more of a villian because of collateral damage and WWH incidents 5. Thor... who attacked why? To defend the Earth... What had Red Hulk done to the Earth? 6. Watcher... maybe to prevent interference since he has done this before.
Red Hulk did kill the Abomination, but killing doesn't necessarily mean he is not worthy. After all he did eliminate a villian and is not Thor fated to destroy the Migard Serpent. So I don't believe that this act would make him unworthy. Red Hulk is very calculating and has planned his actions out well. As a warior, I can easily see him being judged worthy enough to lift the hammer. Worthy in this case does not mean justified , honorable or even good."
"Well I rule out zero gravity. If it was that simple, you could also say someone capable of doing so could catch a thrown hammer since lifting isn't required. That takes me backto Red Hulk being worthy. So lets ask this question... whom has Red Hulk fought with? 1. Abomination....villian 2. She-Hulk... but didn't really destroy her but hinted that he could 3. A-bomb.. we don't know if this version will be a hero or villian 4. Green Hulk... who is considered more of a villian because of collateral damage and WWH incidents 5. Thor... who attacked why? To defend the Earth... What had Red Hulk done to the Earth? 6. Watcher... maybe to prevent interference since he has done this before.
Red Hulk did kill the Abomination, but killing doesn't necessarily mean he is not worthy. After all he did eliminate a villian and is not Thor fated to destroy the Migard Serpent. So I don't believe that this act would make him unworthy. Red Hulk is very calculating and has planned his actions out well. As a warior, I can easily see him being judged worthy enough to lift the hammer. Worthy in this case does not mean justified , honorable or even good."
"But he isnt Unworthy either, especially in battle."
If you aren't worthy, that means you are unworthy. And in this battle he would be, now lets say its a battle against Galactus or something, that may be different, but even then I doubt he would be.
"But he isnt Unworthy either, especially in battle."
If you aren't worthy, that means you are unworthy. And in this battle he would be, now lets say its a battle against Galactus or something, that may be different, but even then I doubt he would be."
Lets not forget Red Hulk killed Wendigo also. I think Red Hulk was counting on the Zero Gravity to be an answer on how to handle Thor, but in reality he is worthy to lift the hammer but did not see himself as such. I believe that is a more plausible theory on how he accomplished such a feat. Just always keep in mind, Red Hulk is eliminating villians and has not yet killed a hero.
"But he isnt Unworthy either, especially in battle."
If you aren't worthy, that means you are unworthy. And in this battle he would be, now lets say its a battle against Galactus or something, that may be different, but even then I doubt he would be."
Lets not forget Red Hulk killed Wendigo also. I think Red Hulk was counting on the Zero Gravity to be an answer on how to handle Thor, but in reality he is worthy to lift the hammer but did not see himself as such. I believe that is a more plausible theory on how he accomplished such a feat. Just always keep in mind, Red Hulk is eliminating villians and has not yet killed a hero."
Since when is fighting villains make somebody worthy?
"But he isnt Unworthy either, especially in battle."
If you aren't worthy, that means you are unworthy. And in this battle he would be, now lets say its a battle against Galactus or something, that may be different, but even then I doubt he would be."
Lets not forget Red Hulk killed Wendigo also. I think Red Hulk was counting on the Zero Gravity to be an answer on how to handle Thor, but in reality he is worthy to lift the hammer but did not see himself as such. I believe that is a more plausible theory on how he accomplished such a feat. Just always keep in mind, Red Hulk is eliminating villians and has not yet killed a hero."
Since when is fighting villains make somebody worthy?"
Worthy as a warrior. Remember the enchantment was placed by Odin. The Norse Gods are warriors. As a warrior, Red Hulk has shown that he has studied his opponents and possible opponents. As a stated in another thread, Thor himself is fated to slay the Migard Serpent, so I don't think killing necessarily disqualifies someone from being worthy.
Does anyone else have a better idea other than chalking it up as bad writing cause Thor was made to be Red Hulk's Biat**
"I don't know enough about Thor to make a good judgment here, But I just don't see how Gravity would affect his Hammer..."
-.- the enchantment says "Whoever worthy of lifting this hammer shall be granted the powers of Thor!" and without gravity, you dont need to lift anything...
IMO, no. He should not be able to affect the inertia of the hammer. Bad writing, and bad execution. It is clearly just a feat for the sake of showing how strong and unstoppable Red Hulk is. Garbage. His alter ego better be someone awesome.
Attention, Jeph Loeb: You are terrible. Please stay away from comics.
"I don't know enough about Thor to make a good judgment here, But I just don't see how Gravity would affect his Hammer..."
-.- the enchantment says "Whoever worthy of lifting this hammer shall be granted the powers of Thor!" and without gravity, you dont need to lift anything..."
"IMO, no. He should not be able to affect the inertia of the hammer. Bad writing, and bad execution. It is clearly just a feat for the sake of showing how strong and unstoppable Red Hulk is. Garbage. His alter ego better be someone awesome.
Attention, Jeph Loeb: You are terrible. Please stay away from comics.
"After finally looking at a scan from the fight I figured out what happened.
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Look what Thor says as they are flying into space. "To take my hammer 'tis no possible! Unless under my father's absence--"
I'm think what Thor just realize is that with Odin gone, his enchantment on the hammer no longer works. Thats my guess."
If that was the case then it really is bad writing. When the hammer returned to Earth, Doctor Doom wanted it for himself. Tons of people lined up to try to lift it. They couldn't. It wasn't until some dude with the initials "D.B." on his duffle bag came and took it (Donald Blake). So the enchantment must still be in effect.
It's not that it's simply too heavy to lift on Earth. So that's why I think that the gravity thing shouldn't have anything to do with it.
Fighting villains doesn't make one worthy. Someone like Spider-Man, who has sacrificed so much in his career, is not "worthy" to lift it.
"After finally looking at a scan from the fight I figured out what happened.
caption
Look what Thor says as they are flying into space. "To take my hammer 'tis no possible! Unless under my father's absence--"
I'm think what Thor just realize is that with Odin gone, his enchantment on the hammer no longer works. Thats my guess."
If that was the case then it really is bad writing. When the hammer returned to Earth, Doctor Doom wanted it for himself. Tons of people lined up to try to lift it. They couldn't. It wasn't until some dude with the initials "D.B." on his duffle bag came and took it (Donald Blake). So the enchantment must still be in effect.
It's not that it's simply too heavy to lift on Earth. So that's why I think that the gravity thing shouldn't have anything to do with it.
Fighting villains doesn't make one worthy. Someone like Spider-Man, who has sacrificed so much in his career, is not "worthy" to lift it."
"After finally looking at a scan from the fight I figured out what happened.
caption
Look what Thor says as they are flying into space. "To take my hammer 'tis no possible! Unless under my father's absence--"
I'm think what Thor just realize is that with Odin gone, his enchantment on the hammer no longer works. Thats my guess."
If that was the case then it really is bad writing. When the hammer returned to Earth, Doctor Doom wanted it for himself. Tons of people lined up to try to lift it. They couldn't. It wasn't until some dude with the initials "D.B." on his duffle bag came and took it (Donald Blake). So the enchantment must still be in effect.
It's not that it's simply too heavy to lift on Earth. So that's why I think that the gravity thing shouldn't have anything to do with it.
Fighting villains doesn't make one worthy. Someone like Spider-Man, who has sacrificed so much in his career, is not "worthy" to lift it."
I was thinking that. Alot of what's happening in Hulk at the moment seems to be ignoring the rules.
As the inscription states, only those the enchantments of Mjolnir deem worthy may even lift the hammer. Some who have been able to wield Mjolnir: Odin, Thor, Captain America, Awesome Andy, Thunderstrike, Beta Ray Bill, Buri, Superman, Wonder Woman, Red Norvell, and Dargo. The ability to wield Mjolnir is not necessarily permanent, and may also depend on need. Superman was able to lift Mjolnir for only a short period of time.
He doesn't have his own page. The "rule" of this place is all characters using the same name have one page (like Flash, Robin, etc). We don't want Hulk I, Hulk II, etc. There's also the fact that this Red Hulk has got to be someone we already know.
Just like (the lame) A-Bomb shouldn't have his own page since he's Rick Jones.
"He doesn't have his own page. The "rule" of this place is all characters using the same name have one page (like Flash, Robin, etc). We don't want Hulk I, Hulk II, etc. There's also the fact that this Red Hulk has got to be someone we already know.
Just like (the lame) A-Bomb shouldn't have his own page since he's Rick Jones. "
"After finally looking at a scan from the fight I figured out what happened.
caption
Look what Thor says as they are flying into space. "To take my hammer 'tis no possible! Unless under my father's absence--"
I'm think what Thor just realize is that with Odin gone, his enchantment on the hammer no longer works. Thats my guess."
If that was the case then it really is bad writing. When the hammer returned to Earth, Doctor Doom wanted it for himself. Tons of people lined up to try to lift it. They couldn't. It wasn't until some dude with the initials "D.B." on his duffle bag came and took it (Donald Blake). So the enchantment must still be in effect.
It's not that it's simply too heavy to lift on Earth. So that's why I think that the gravity thing shouldn't have anything to do with it.
Fighting villains doesn't make one worthy. Someone like Spider-Man, who has sacrificed so much in his career, is not "worthy" to lift it."
I read that issue and I thought it was crap. Red Hulk should not be able to lift it on the earth, in space, anywhere. It does seem that those that have a "pure" heart can lift the hammer, but that is just my opinion. But the fact that Red Hulk was even able to take a hit from the hammer just seemed wrong. In my humble opinion, this was a case of bad writing. Not the worst though.
So if someone like Ben Grimm came along, he'd be grunting and struggling but wouldn't be able to lift it. Now what makes someone like him or Spidey unworthy is something you'd have to ask Odin. I suppose it makes sense that someone like Cap or Superman could lift it. But Eric Masterson? He's more nobler than Spidey? Hogwash! You'd never see Spidey wearing a lame lightning bolt earring. Or maybe that was the problem...
"So if someone like Ben Grimm came along, he'd be grunting and struggling but wouldn't be able to lift it. Now what makes someone like him or Spidey unworthy is something you'd have to ask Odin. I suppose it makes sense that someone like Cap or Superman could lift it. But Eric Masterson? He's more nobler than Spidey? Hogwash! You'd never see Spidey wearing a lame lightning bolt earring. Or maybe that was the problem..."
lol
Considering Red Hulk has pwned just about everything, why shouldn't he be able to lift his hammer. I think some have liftedit barley but weren't worthy, just strong. Maybe Red Hulk is so strong he could do that....
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