Can Thor's Hammer be "lifted" in Zero Gravity?

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#1 Posted by G-Man (34953 posts) - - Show Bio

I just read Hulk #5 with Red Hulk vs Thor.  I suppose I can get the physics of being able to move Mjolnir out in space but should this be possible?  Is this just a loophole that Odin missed when he placed the enchantment on it?  Did he just not pay attention during Physics class?

Seems Red Hulk can touch this...in space

And sorry for the blurry picture.  Since I'm away from home I don't have my scanner, only my iPhone.
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#2 Posted by _Sub-Zero_ (753 posts) - - Show Bio

G-man, its been done LOL

#3 Edited by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30177 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin got an F in physics? Blasphemy!

#4 Posted by _Sub-Zero_ (753 posts) - - Show Bio
#5 Posted by G-Man (34953 posts) - - Show Bio

I know it's been done.  My question is should it be possible.

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#6 Posted by _Sub-Zero_ (753 posts) - - Show Bio
Warsman said:
"Odin got an F in physics? Blasphemy!"
and even if so, Red Hulk would be able too

Avantar said:
"Well I rule out zero gravity. If it was that simple, you could also say someone capable of doing so could catch a thrown hammer since lifting isn't required.
That takes me backto Red Hulk being worthy. So lets ask this question... whom has Red Hulk fought with?
1. Abomination....villian
2. She-Hulk... but didn't really destroy her but hinted that he could
3. A-bomb.. we don't know if this version will be a hero or villian
4. Green Hulk... who is considered more of a villian because of collateral damage and WWH incidents
5. Thor... who attacked why? To defend the Earth... What had Red Hulk done to the Earth?
6. Watcher... maybe to prevent interference since he has done this before.

Red Hulk did kill the Abomination, but killing doesn't necessarily mean he is not worthy. After all he did eliminate a villian and is not Thor fated to destroy the Migard Serpent. So I don't believe that this act would make him unworthy.
Red Hulk is very calculating and has planned his actions out well. As a warior, I can easily see him being judged worthy enough to lift the hammer. Worthy in this case does not mean justified , honorable or even good."


#7 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30177 posts) - - Show Bio

No, it shouldn't be possible. But through bad writing it is.

#8 Posted by _Sub-Zero_ (753 posts) - - Show Bio
G~man said:
"I know it's been done.  My question is should it be possible."
Yes, "Who e'er shal lift this hammer shall recieve the power of  Thor" and in Zero gravity you dont have to lift anything
#9 Posted by _Sub-Zero_ (753 posts) - - Show Bio
Warsman said:
"No, it shouldn't be possible. But through bad writing it is."
thats not bad writing at all
#10 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

That is crazy, I don't know though, I mean it shouldn't beable to be moved by being not worthy.

#11 Posted by Adam Warlock (723 posts) - - Show Bio
_Sub-Zero_ said:
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Avantar said:
"Well I rule out zero gravity. If it was that simple, you could also say someone capable of doing so could catch a thrown hammer since lifting isn't required.
That takes me backto Red Hulk being worthy. So lets ask this question... whom has Red Hulk fought with?
1. Abomination....villian
2. She-Hulk... but didn't really destroy her but hinted that he could
3. A-bomb.. we don't know if this version will be a hero or villian
4. Green Hulk... who is considered more of a villian because of collateral damage and WWH incidents
5. Thor... who attacked why? To defend the Earth... What had Red Hulk done to the Earth?
6. Watcher... maybe to prevent interference since he has done this before.

Red Hulk did kill the Abomination, but killing doesn't necessarily mean he is not worthy. After all he did eliminate a villian and is not Thor fated to destroy the Migard Serpent. So I don't believe that this act would make him unworthy.
Red Hulk is very calculating and has planned his actions out well. As a warior, I can easily see him being judged worthy enough to lift the hammer. Worthy in this case does not mean justified , honorable or even good."


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#12 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

@Adam: I have, I don't agree that the Red Hulk is worthy.

#13 Posted by Adam Warlock (723 posts) - - Show Bio

But he isnt Unworthy either, especially in battle.

#14 Posted by Final Arrow (24388 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont think the Hammer should have been used the way it was

#15 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
Adam Warlock said:
"But he isnt Unworthy either, especially in battle."
If you aren't worthy, that means you are unworthy. And in this battle he would be, now lets say its a battle against Galactus or something, that may be different, but even then I doubt he would be.
#16 Posted by Adam Warlock (723 posts) - - Show Bio

Well why did thor attack Red Hulk? there was no cause

#17 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
Adam Warlock said:
"Well why did thor attack Red Hulk? there was no cause"
I don't know his reason since I didn't read the comic, but my guess is that he is a giant red monster who is is attacking things.
#18 Posted by Avantar (385 posts) - - Show Bio
Nobody said:
"Adam Warlock said:
"But he isnt Unworthy either, especially in battle."
If you aren't worthy, that means you are unworthy. And in this battle he would be, now lets say its a battle against Galactus or something, that may be different, but even then I doubt he would be."
Lets not forget Red Hulk killed Wendigo also. I think Red Hulk was counting on the Zero Gravity to be an answer on how to handle Thor, but in reality he is worthy to lift the hammer but did not see himself as such. I believe that is a more plausible theory on how he accomplished such a feat. Just always keep in  mind, Red Hulk is eliminating villians and has not yet killed a hero.
#19 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
Avantar said:
"Nobody said:
"Adam Warlock said:
"But he isnt Unworthy either, especially in battle."
If you aren't worthy, that means you are unworthy. And in this battle he would be, now lets say its a battle against Galactus or something, that may be different, but even then I doubt he would be."
Lets not forget Red Hulk killed Wendigo also. I think Red Hulk was counting on the Zero Gravity to be an answer on how to handle Thor, but in reality he is worthy to lift the hammer but did not see himself as such. I believe that is a more plausible theory on how he accomplished such a feat. Just always keep in  mind, Red Hulk is eliminating villians and has not yet killed a hero."
Since when is fighting villains make somebody worthy?
#20 Posted by Adam Warlock (723 posts) - - Show Bio

Fighting in general, does.

#21 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
Adam Warlock said:
"Fighting in general, does."
Since when? There are tons of people that fight that have been proven unworthy.
#22 Posted by TheDrifter (26556 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know enough about Thor to make a good judgment here, But I just don't see how Gravity would affect his Hammer...

#23 Posted by Avantar (385 posts) - - Show Bio
Nobody said:
"Avantar said:
"Nobody said:
"Adam Warlock said:
"But he isnt Unworthy either, especially in battle."
If you aren't worthy, that means you are unworthy. And in this battle he would be, now lets say its a battle against Galactus or something, that may be different, but even then I doubt he would be."
Lets not forget Red Hulk killed Wendigo also. I think Red Hulk was counting on the Zero Gravity to be an answer on how to handle Thor, but in reality he is worthy to lift the hammer but did not see himself as such. I believe that is a more plausible theory on how he accomplished such a feat. Just always keep in  mind, Red Hulk is eliminating villians and has not yet killed a hero."
Since when is fighting villains make somebody worthy?"
Worthy as a warrior. Remember the enchantment was placed by Odin. The Norse Gods are warriors. As a warrior, Red Hulk has shown that he has studied his opponents and possible opponents. As a stated in another thread, Thor himself is fated to slay the Migard Serpent, so I don't think killing necessarily disqualifies someone from being worthy.

Does anyone else have a better idea other than chalking it up as bad writing cause Thor was made to be Red Hulk's Biat**
#24 Posted by Adam Warlock (723 posts) - - Show Bio
TheDrifter said:
"I don't know enough about Thor to make a good judgment here, But I just don't see how Gravity would affect his Hammer..."
-.- the enchantment says "Whoever worthy of lifting this hammer shall be granted the powers of Thor!" and without gravity, you dont need to lift anything...
#25 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio

IMO, no. He should not be able to affect the inertia of the hammer. Bad writing, and bad execution. It is clearly just a feat for the sake of showing how strong and unstoppable Red Hulk is. Garbage. His alter ego better be someone awesome.

Attention, Jeph Loeb: You are terrible. Please stay away from comics.
#26 Posted by TheDrifter (26556 posts) - - Show Bio
Adam Warlock said:
"TheDrifter said:
"I don't know enough about Thor to make a good judgment here, But I just don't see how Gravity would affect his Hammer..."
-.- the enchantment says "Whoever worthy of lifting this hammer shall be granted the powers of Thor!" and without gravity, you dont need to lift anything..."
Oh, Ok........
#27 Posted by Adam Warlock (723 posts) - - Show Bio
Korg said:
"IMO, no. He should not be able to affect the inertia of the hammer. Bad writing, and bad execution. It is clearly just a feat for the sake of showing how strong and unstoppable Red Hulk is. Garbage. His alter ego better be someone awesome.
Attention, Jeph Loeb: You are terrible. Please stay away from comics.
"
Hush was good...
#28 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

After finally looking at a scan from the fight I figured out what happened.

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Look what Thor says as they are flying into space. "To take my hammer 'tis no possible! Unless under my father's absence--"

I'm think what Thor just realize is that with Odin gone, his enchantment on the hammer no longer works. Thats my guess.
#29 Edited by Spider-Pantrelli (1731 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn't read this issue, so can anyone tell me who won?

#30 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
Spider-Pantrelli said:
"

I didn't read this issue, so can anyone tell me who won?

"
Red Hulk
#31 Posted by G-Man (34953 posts) - - Show Bio
Nobody said:
"After finally looking at a scan from the fight I figured out what happened.

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Look what Thor says as they are flying into space. "To take my hammer 'tis no possible! Unless under my father's absence--"

I'm think what Thor just realize is that with Odin gone, his enchantment on the hammer no longer works. Thats my guess."
If that was the case then it really is bad writing.  When the hammer returned to Earth, Doctor Doom wanted it for himself.  Tons of people lined up to try to lift it.  They couldn't.  It wasn't until some dude with the initials "D.B." on his duffle bag came and took it (Donald Blake).  So the enchantment must still be in effect.

It's not that it's simply too heavy to lift on Earth.  So that's why I think that the gravity thing shouldn't have anything to do with it. 

Fighting villains doesn't make one worthy.  Someone like Spider-Man, who has sacrificed so much in his career, is not "worthy" to lift it.
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#32 Posted by Spider-Pantrelli (1731 posts) - - Show Bio
G~man said:
"Nobody said:
"After finally looking at a scan from the fight I figured out what happened.

caption














































Look what Thor says as they are flying into space. "To take my hammer 'tis no possible! Unless under my father's absence--"

I'm think what Thor just realize is that with Odin gone, his enchantment on the hammer no longer works. Thats my guess."
If that was the case then it really is bad writing.  When the hammer returned to Earth, Doctor Doom wanted it for himself.  Tons of people lined up to try to lift it.  They couldn't.  It wasn't until some dude with the initials "D.B." on his duffle bag came and took it (Donald Blake).  So the enchantment must still be in effect.

It's not that it's simply too heavy to lift on Earth.  So that's why I think that the gravity thing shouldn't have anything to do with it. 

Fighting villains doesn't make one worthy.  Someone like Spider-Man, who has sacrificed so much in his career, is not "worthy" to lift it."
What makes someone "worthy"?
#33 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

@G-Man: I'm thinking its just bad writing.

#34 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio
G~man said:
"Nobody said:
"After finally looking at a scan from the fight I figured out what happened.

caption














































Look what Thor says as they are flying into space. "To take my hammer 'tis no possible! Unless under my father's absence--"

I'm think what Thor just realize is that with Odin gone, his enchantment on the hammer no longer works. Thats my guess."
If that was the case then it really is bad writing.  When the hammer returned to Earth, Doctor Doom wanted it for himself.  Tons of people lined up to try to lift it.  They couldn't.  It wasn't until some dude with the initials "D.B." on his duffle bag came and took it (Donald Blake).  So the enchantment must still be in effect.

It's not that it's simply too heavy to lift on Earth.  So that's why I think that the gravity thing shouldn't have anything to do with it. 

Fighting villains doesn't make one worthy.  Someone like Spider-Man, who has sacrificed so much in his career, is not "worthy" to lift it."

I was thinking that. Alot of what's happening in Hulk at the moment seems to be ignoring the rules. 
#35 Edited by G-Man (34953 posts) - - Show Bio
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#36 Posted by Buckshot (18915 posts) - - Show Bio
Cosmic Sentinel said:

I was thinking that. Alot of what's happening in Hulk at the moment seems to be ignoring the rules. "
That could be Rulk's real power.
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#37 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

Does Red Hulk have a page on the Vine?

#38 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio
Buckshot said:
"Cosmic Sentinel said:

I was thinking that. Alot of what's happening in Hulk at the moment seems to be ignoring the rules. "
That could be Rulk's real power."

I think he might be the real Beyonder, destroying the Marvel Universe for the terrible retcon they gave him.
#39 Posted by G-Man (34953 posts) - - Show Bio

He doesn't have his own page.  The "rule" of this place is all characters using the same name have one page (like Flash, Robin, etc).  We don't want Hulk I, Hulk II, etc.  There's also the fact that this Red Hulk has got to be someone we already know.

Just like (the lame) A-Bomb shouldn't have his own page since he's Rick Jones.

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#40 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
G~man said:
"He doesn't have his own page.  The "rule" of this place is all characters using the same name have one page (like Flash, Robin, etc).  We don't want Hulk I, Hulk II, etc.  There's also the fact that this Red Hulk has got to be someone we already know.

Just like (the lame) A-Bomb shouldn't have his own page since he's Rick Jones.
"
LOL, got it.
#41 Posted by Shaper (5168 posts) - - Show Bio
G~man said:
"Nobody said:
"After finally looking at a scan from the fight I figured out what happened.

caption














































Look what Thor says as they are flying into space. "To take my hammer 'tis no possible! Unless under my father's absence--"

I'm think what Thor just realize is that with Odin gone, his enchantment on the hammer no longer works. Thats my guess."
If that was the case then it really is bad writing.  When the hammer returned to Earth, Doctor Doom wanted it for himself.  Tons of people lined up to try to lift it.  They couldn't.  It wasn't until some dude with the initials "D.B." on his duffle bag came and took it (Donald Blake).  So the enchantment must still be in effect.

It's not that it's simply too heavy to lift on Earth.  So that's why I think that the gravity thing shouldn't have anything to do with it. 

Fighting villains doesn't make one worthy.  Someone like Spider-Man, who has sacrificed so much in his career, is not "worthy" to lift it."
When did Spidy try to lift it?
#42 Posted by G-Man (34953 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know exactly when but I seem to recall him trying to stop it in mid-flight and getting whisked away.

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#43 Posted by Spider-Pantrelli (1731 posts) - - Show Bio
G~man said:
"I don't know exactly when but I seem to recall him trying to stop it in mid-flight and getting whisked away."

What happens when somebody which is not worthy tries to lift it? How do you mean by whisked away?
#44 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio
Spider-Pantrelli said:
"G~man said:
"I don't know exactly when but I seem to recall him trying to stop it in mid-flight and getting whisked away."

What happens when somebody which is not worthy tries to lift it? How do you mean by whisked away?"
Normally, they just can't lift it. In this case, Spidey tried to stop it moving and was carried along with it.
#45 Posted by Erik (33014 posts) - - Show Bio

I read that issue and I thought it was crap. Red Hulk should not be able to lift it on the earth, in space, anywhere. It does seem that those that have a "pure" heart can lift the hammer, but that is just my opinion. But the fact that Red Hulk was even able to take a hit from the hammer just seemed wrong. In my humble opinion, this was a case of bad writing. Not the worst though.

#46 Posted by G-Man (34953 posts) - - Show Bio

So if someone like Ben Grimm came along, he'd be grunting and struggling but wouldn't be able to lift it.  Now what makes someone like him or Spidey unworthy is something you'd have to ask Odin.  I suppose it makes sense that someone like Cap or Superman could lift it.  But Eric Masterson?  He's more nobler than Spidey?  Hogwash!  You'd never see Spidey wearing a lame lightning bolt earring.  Or maybe that was the problem...

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#47 Posted by Mr. Wilson (6322 posts) - - Show Bio
G~man said:
"So if someone like Ben Grimm came along, he'd be grunting and struggling but wouldn't be able to lift it.  Now what makes someone like him or Spidey unworthy is something you'd have to ask Odin.  I suppose it makes sense that someone like Cap or Superman could lift it.  But Eric Masterson?  He's more nobler than Spidey?  Hogwash!  You'd never see Spidey wearing a lame lightning bolt earring.  Or maybe that was the problem..."

lol

Considering Red Hulk has pwned just about everything, why shouldn't he be able to lift his hammer.  I think some have liftedit barley but weren't worthy, just strong.  Maybe Red Hulk is so strong he could do that....
#48 Posted by Spider-Pantrelli (1731 posts) - - Show Bio

Can the Hulk breathe in space anyway?

#49 Posted by Mr. Wilson (6322 posts) - - Show Bio
Spider-Pantrelli said:
"Can the Hulk breathe in space anyway?"

He held his breath in the issue.
#50 Posted by Spider-Pantrelli (1731 posts) - - Show Bio
Mr. Wilson said:
"Spider-Pantrelli said:
"Can the Hulk breathe in space anyway?"

He held his breath in the issue."
But how when he was talking to Thor?

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