Superheroes and AIDS

#1 Posted by MidKnight (131 posts) - - Show Bio

Mia Dearden is a great character. And I do enjoy her very much as Speedy; But one must question as to why DC would create an HIV positive Superhero. I could see if they were trying to reach those afflicted with HIV/AIDS but it's really not wise at all to put them in a situation in which they could infect others. This is in no way meant to offend anyone with HIV or AIDS I just can't help but think of this is all.

#2 Posted by Hawk (15833 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel had a charater die of Aids. Wasn't a superhero just a friend of Hulk. Jim Wilson.....

#3 Posted by Ms. Invisible (3292 posts) - - Show Bio

MidKnight says:

"Mia Dearden is a great character. And I do enjoy her very much as Speedy; But one must question as to why DC would create an HIV positive Superhero. I could see if they were trying to reach those afflicted with HIV/AIDS but it's really not wise at all to put them in a situation in which they could infect others. This is in no way meant to offend anyone with HIV or AIDS I just can't help but think of this is all."

I love Speedy too!

But anyway, I think that's the point of it; putting her in a situation where she could possibly infect someone and actually putting her out there. Maybe it's a metaphorical message of some sort? That being HIV positive is not a disability?

#4 Posted by MidKnight (131 posts) - - Show Bio

Ms. Invisible says:

"MidKnight says:
"Mia Dearden is a great character. And I do enjoy her very much as Speedy; But one must question as to why DC would create an HIV positive Superhero. I could see if they were trying to reach those afflicted with HIV/AIDS but it's really not wise at all to put them in a situation in which they could infect others. This is in no way meant to offend anyone with HIV or AIDS I just can't help but think of this is all."

I love Speedy too!

But anyway, I think that's the point of it; putting her in a situation where she could possibly infect someone and actually putting her out there. Maybe it's a metaphorical message of some sort? That being HIV positive is not a disability?"

I thought of that too but I still don't see the wisdom in putting her in a line of work where she fight's crime with no superpowers and really just clothe to protect her that in and of itself put alot of people in danger. I have no doubt in my mind that those who some people consider to be disabled or otherwise can and do accomplish amazing things. I realize that it is possible that DC made Speedy infected with the hopes that the character could inspire others inflicted with HIV or AIDS and give them hope and that's great. But at least give her some sort of protection from possibly infecting others.

#5 Posted by Ms. Invisible (3292 posts) - - Show Bio

MidKnight says:

"I thought of that too but I still don't see the wisdom in putting her in a line of work where she fight's crime with no superpowers and really just clothe to protect her that in and of itself put alot of people in danger. I have no doubt in my mind that those who some people consider to be disabled or otherwise can and do accomplish amazing things. I realize that it is possible that DC made Speedy infected with the hopes that the character could inspire others inflicted with HIV or AIDS and give them hope and that's great. But at least give her some sort of protection from possibly infecting others."

If you have a look at heroes who don't have superpowers as well: People with the Green Lantern rings, Black Canary, they wear thin spandex as well.

Wonder Woman's weakness is piercing objects, yet she still wears spandex, and she's got her legs and shoulders exposed.

But AIDs and being HIV positive is a serious issue; perhaps it's time to send an email to DC and ask for a costume upgrade.

#6 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio

her blood landing on someone's skin doesnt automatically mean she's going to give someone aids...i think her costume is fine [judging from the full covered pic that is the defualt on her page] i dont think she needs to fight crime from the inside of tank because she is HIV positive

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#7 Posted by MidKnight (131 posts) - - Show Bio

pixelized says:

"her blood landing on someone's skin doesnt automatically mean she's going to give someone aids...i think her costume is fine [judging from the full covered pic that is the defualt on her page] i dont think she needs to fight crime from the inside of tank because she is HIV positive"

You're misunderstanding me a bit here. Open wounds come with the territory of being a superhero and there is a very high risk of transferring bodily fluids i.e. blood with your combatant or otherwise. Which brings me to my next point. She would not give them AIDS, she would give them HIV which eventually evolves into full blown AIDS. And finally I wasn't emplying that she needs to, "fight crime from the inside of tank because she is HIV positive." Not at all. I meant she should protect those around her from possible infection. I was thinking that they should at least give her something tearproof like nomex or kevlar. That's not so off the wall. Hell everyone in the Batman Family (Excluding Oracle) wears it. So I really don't think that would offend anybody.

#8 Posted by warlock360 (27950 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone remember Shadowhawk?

#9 Posted by MidKnight (131 posts) - - Show Bio

Warlock360 says:

"Anyone remember Shadowhawk?
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I don't, no.

#10 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

MidKnight says:

"You're misunderstanding me a bit here. Open wounds come with the territory of being a superhero and there is a very high risk of transferring bodily fluids i.e. blood with your combatant or otherwise. Which brings me to my next point. She would not give them AIDS, she would give them HIV which eventually evolves into full blown AIDS. And finally I wasn't emplying that she needs to, "fight crime from the inside of tank because she is HIV positive." Not at all. I meant she should protect those around her from possible infection. I was thinking that they should at least give her something tearproof like nomex or kevlar. That's not so off the wall. Hell everyone in the Batman Family (Excluding Oracle) wears it. So I really don't think that would offend anybody. "

The kind of amounts of blood that would have to be exchanged in the manner you're talking about would endanger the character in question because of blood-loss more than anything else.

Here's a handy tip, if your partner or enemy has a sucking chest wound... (and i can't stress this enough) do not try to ingest the blood.

#11 Posted by MidKnight (131 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"MidKnight says:
"You're misunderstanding me a bit here. Open wounds come with the territory of being a superhero and there is a very high risk of transferring bodily fluids i.e. blood with your combatant or otherwise. Which brings me to my next point. She would not give them AIDS, she would give them HIV which eventually evolves into full blown AIDS. And finally I wasn't emplying that she needs to, "fight crime from the inside of tank because she is HIV positive." Not at all. I meant she should protect those around her from possible infection. I was thinking that they should at least give her something tearproof like nomex or kevlar. That's not so off the wall. Hell everyone in the Batman Family (Excluding Oracle) wears it. So I really don't think that would offend anybody. "

The kind of amounts of blood that would have to be exchanged in the manner you're talking about would endanger the character in question because of blood-loss more than anything else.

Here's a handy tip, if your partner or enemy has a sucking chest wound... (and i can't stress this enough) do not try to ingest the blood.

"

lol, no I wouldn't suggest that you ingest your partner's blood neither. But the fact remains. If you have HIV or AIDS and you have an open wound and your combatant(or partner) has an open wound, it doesn't take much more then a small exchange of bodily fluid to infect them. And let's also keep in mind that this is a comic book environment. Blood loss can, and often times, does become little worry.

#12 Posted by MidKnight (131 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr. Victor von Doom says:

"Well about that matter, thats a RARE chance of being infected that way, your blood stream goes in the opposite way than the others and therefore its not really likely for the HIV virus to go into your blood stream"

It is rare, yes. But it DOES happen so why risk it?

#13 Posted by Dr. Victor von Doom (3118 posts) - - Show Bio

Well about that matter, thats a RARE chance of being infected that way, your blood stream goes in the opposite way than the others and therefore its not really likely for the HIV virus to go into your blood stream

#14 Posted by MidKnight (131 posts) - - Show Bio

Once again though, I would like to stress the fact that I really do love Mia Dearden as Speedy, she plays the part well and it has nothing to with it being her.

#15 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

MidKnight says:

"Dr. Victor von Doom says:
"Well about that matter, thats a RARE chance of being infected that way, your blood stream goes in the opposite way than the others and therefore its not really likely for the HIV virus to go into your blood stream"
It is rare, yes. But it DOES happen so why risk it? "

If for some reason Batman picked up HIV, do you think he'd end his war on crime?

#16 Posted by Dr. Victor von Doom (3118 posts) - - Show Bio

Not saying that i would ever try it, F@ck that lol

#17 Posted by MidKnight (131 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"MidKnight says:
"Dr. Victor von Doom says:
"Well about that matter, thats a RARE chance of being infected that way, your blood stream goes in the opposite way than the others and therefore its not really likely for the HIV virus to go into your blood stream"
It is rare, yes. But it DOES happen so why risk it? "

If for some reason Batman picked up HIV, do you think he'd end his war on crime?"

I see what you did there, lol. And of course not but he would protect himself. Which is all I'm asking for DC to do with Speedy. Batman already wears nomex/kevlar and God knows what else. He even has gas vents on his cowl and and electric charge on his suit for matters of protection (See Hush).

#18 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

MidKnight says:

"I see what you did there, lol. And of course not but he would protect himself. Which is all I'm asking for DC to do with Speedy. Batman already wears nomex/kevlar and God knows what else. He even has gas vents on his cowl and and electric charge on his suit for matters of protection (See Hush). "

He does bleed, however. All that protection doesn't have a lot to say to a solid punch to the mouth. Or the kris dagger Jason Todd used to de-mask him.

I believe it was once said that Bruce Wayne leaves samples of his DNA at crime scenes all over Gotham. How good is their CSI team?

Bruce Wayne and Mia Dearden are not normal people. Their heroes. And they have a better chance of being struck by lighting or a meteor than Mia accidentally passing on the virus while fighting crime.

#19 Posted by Lantern Prime (13044 posts) - - Show Bio

Interestin' topic

#20 Posted by MidKnight (131 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"MidKnight says:
"I see what you did there, lol. And of course not but he would protect himself. Which is all I'm asking for DC to do with Speedy. Batman already wears nomex/kevlar and God knows what else. He even has gas vents on his cowl and and electric charge on his suit for matters of protection (See Hush). "

He does bleed, however. All that protection doesn't have a lot to say to a solid punch to the mouth. Or the kris dagger Jason Todd used to de-mask him.

I believe it was once said that Bruce Wayne leaves samples of his DNA at crime scenes all over Gotham. How good is their CSI team?

Bruce Wayne and Mia Dearden are not normal people. Their heroes. And they have a better chance of being struck by lighting or a meteor than Mia accidentally passing on the virus while fighting crime.

"

While that is true and I will agree with you there, he at least makes the effort.

P.S.

Jason Todd's dagger is pretty sweet.
Post Edited:2008-04-23 15:46:10

#21 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

I will concede that perhaps Mia is under-protected, but not anymoreso than Barbara Gordon (she had little formal combat training when she first donned the tights) or Dick Grayson or Jason Todd was when they were Robin (the lack of pants/leggings is really a red flag to me).

#22 Posted by MidKnight (131 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"I will concede that perhaps Mia is under-protected, but not anymoreso than Barbara Gordon (she had little formal combat training when she first donned the tights) or Dick Grayson or Jason Todd was when they were Robin (the lack of pants/leggings is really a red flag to me)."

And I will concede to you that no matter what measure of protection there is still a good chance that she will bleed. And you are correct, Barbara Gordon, Dick Grayson, and Jason Todd were each unprotected. But they have evolved from just spandex and tights, Dick is now Nightwing and wears a very sophisticated uniform, similar to Batman's in it's properties, as well does the current Robin, Tim Drake. And we all know Barbara's and Jason Todd's current states.

#23 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio

I still dont understand how she is putting others at risk. she's not slinging her HIV infected blood against people...idk....

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#24 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

I can see a scenario where one of Ollie's enemies captures him and Mia and threatens to administer a transfusion.

#25 Posted by MidKnight (131 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"I can see a scenario where one of Ollie's enemies captures him and Mia and threatens to administer a transfusion."

That would be pretty F@cked up lol

#26 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio

and other then that....she can sing songs from "RENT" and fight crime with her 6 pack showing haha

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#27 Posted by Chameleone (8710 posts) - - Show Bio

pixelized says:

"and other then that....she can sing songs from "RENT" and fight crime with her 6 pack showing haha"

Gah Rent was gay. Literally :P

#28 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio

chameleone says:

"pixelized says:
"and other then that....she can sing songs from "RENT" and fight crime with her 6 pack showing haha"
Gah Rent was gay. Literally :P"

RENT was amazing! "Would you lite my Candle???"

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#29 Posted by MidKnight (131 posts) - - Show Bio

pixelized says:

"chameleone says:
"pixelized says:
"and other then that....she can sing songs from "RENT" and fight crime with her 6 pack showing haha"
Gah Rent was gay. Literally :P"

RENT was amazing! "Would you lite my Candle???" "

Okay, WTF? This is not about some horrible movie adaptation of a horrible Broadway show.

#30 Posted by MidKnight (131 posts) - - Show Bio

pixelized says:

"MidKnight says:
"pixelized says:
"chameleone says:
"pixelized says:
"and other then that....she can sing songs from "RENT" and fight crime with her 6 pack showing haha"
Gah Rent was gay. Literally :P"
RENT was amazing! "Would you lite my Candle???" "
Okay, WTF? This is not about some horrible movie adaptation of a horrible Broadway show. "

Horrible? I lauged, and i cried....RENT was UH-MAZING!"

It still has nothing to do with this topic.

#31 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio

MidKnight says:

"pixelized says:
"chameleone says:
"pixelized says:
"and other then that....she can sing songs from "RENT" and fight crime with her 6 pack showing haha"
Gah Rent was gay. Literally :P"
RENT was amazing! "Would you lite my Candle???" "
Okay, WTF? This is not about some horrible movie adaptation of a horrible Broadway show. "

Horrible? I lauged, and i cried....RENT was UH-MAZING!

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#32 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio

I weaved it into speedy

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#33 Posted by Mourning Star (2 posts) - - Show Bio

Perhaps there is a slim slim slim chance that someone could get HIV because of an open wound gushing enough blood into someone elses open wound, but I think the number of people who might be saved based on Ollie having Speedy help him is far higher than the number of people who will, over the course of her existence, die because of HIV due to contact with her.

#34 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio
MidKnight said:
"

Mia Dearden is a great character. And I do enjoy her very much as Speedy; But one must question as to why DC would create an HIV positive Superhero. I could see if they were trying to reach those afflicted with HIV/AIDS but it's really not wise at all to put them in a situation in which they could infect others. This is in no way meant to offend anyone with HIV or AIDS I just can't help but think of this is all


DC... Drugs... wtf?
slightly off topic here, but what is it with DC, characters called Speedy and HIV situations?

the original Speedy also had a HIV scare way back in 1983 when he was with Green Arrow after he became a cocain addict...

M
#35 Posted by Hawkingbird (350 posts) - - Show Bio
MidKnight said:
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pixelized says:

It still has nothing to do with this topic.

"
Then quit bringing it up. And besides, we're talking about AIDS in a pop culture situation, so I can easily see it relating to this topic.

Why does she have HIV? Because .6% of the world has HIV. There are thousands and thousands of superheroes, what are the odds that one of them WOULDN'T have HIV, especially considering how she was a prostitute before?
#36 Posted by NightFang (9817 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lantern Prime said:
"Interestin' topic"
               Indeed.
         
#37 Posted by Erik (31458 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe she can fight crime with it?

#38 Posted by MrMiracle77 (1659 posts) - - Show Bio

One of my favorite scenes from Teen Titans (pre issue 50) was Mia telling the rest of the team not to help her if she gets injured.  She doesn't explain why, but she knows that she has that responsibility to warn them.  Tough call.

#39 Posted by Cherry Bomb (3189 posts) - - Show Bio

I like how DC includes characters like Barbara Gordon and Mia, 
who show that just because they are 'disabled' , they can still be superheroes and be who they want to be.

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