Who is more powerful, Thor or the Silver Surfer?

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#1 Posted by Mego_Stretch_Hulk (210 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor vs Silver Surfer, two of the most powerful superheroes in any comic universe clash in a battle for the ages!

Which is truly the more powerful force, Mighty Mjolnir or the Power Cosmic?

Who has the bigger indomitable spirit and heart?

Who has the better attributes?

Find out all the definitive information here and then you decide!!

http://hero-envy.blogspot.com/2012/05/thor-vs-silver-surfer.html

#2 Posted by Z3RO180 (6533 posts) - - Show Bio

im going with thor

#3 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7184 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor. Surfer admits it. in an issue written by stan lee.

#4 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33338 posts) - - Show Bio

Surfer 

#5 Posted by Reality (135 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87 said:

Surfer
#6 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

@Thor's hammmer said:

Thor. Surfer admits it. in an issue written by stan lee.

For classic Thor and SS I wouldn't argue there, but for their current states? Idk, I'd think Surfer.

#7 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Thor's hammmer said:

Thor. Surfer admits it. in an issue written by stan lee.

Classic Thor was equal with classic Silver Surfer though.

That's untrue, and you know it.

#8 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7184 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@Thor's hammmer said:

Thor. Surfer admits it. in an issue written by stan lee.

Classic Thor was equal with classic Silver Surfer though.

That's untrue, and you know it.

Equal No I know that's not the way their portrayed.

#9 Edited by Malevolent1 (1072 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay. In terms of current versions of each character, I lean toward the Surfer because of his superior speed. Last time the two confronted one another (Mighty Thor 4), I would call it a draw. But in terms of current capabilites, I give it to the Surfer.

Having said that, Marvel does a LOT of things I disagree with these days, including how the handle Thor. The two first met in Silver Surfer 4. Even infused with Loki's power, the Surfer was not match for Thor, who was holding back. In Silver Surfer 86, the two tangoed again, but Thor had the power gem (and no, he was not in the throes of warrior's madness). While the bout ended inconclusively, it is generally accepted that Thor had the upper hand. He went on to tango with Thanos in one of the coolest knockdown dragouts I've seen between two heavyweights that ended in a draw, and Thanos having to capture in a stasis field to stop.

Having said all this, Stan INTENDED Thor to be Marvel's top dog. However, Marvel these days, in my opinion, does not portray him as such.

1) The Surfer himself has indicated Mjolnir as mightier than his power cosmic. Again, that may be different these days.

2) Thor has the greatest will and most indomitable spirit of any Marvel superhero I've ever seen.

3) Better attributes? Depends on your preference. Thor is willing to fight to the death for what he believes in. The Surfer however, seeks for peace FIRST before he starts to cut loose.

#10 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Thor's hammmer said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Thor's hammmer said:

Thor. Surfer admits it. in an issue written by stan lee.

Classic Thor was equal with classic Silver Surfer though.

That's untrue, and you know it.

Equal No I know that's not the way their portrayed.

Than how?

#11 Edited by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

With how they have both been written in the past years. Surfer 
Although I'm not quite sure if he has been depowered or not since his entry on The Defenders.

#12 Posted by gravitypress (2069 posts) - - Show Bio

As far as combat Thor hands down. Surfer beats him in utility and broad spectrum powers though.

#13 Posted by Mega_spidey01 (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

silver surfer

#14 Posted by OmegaRed86 (505 posts) - - Show Bio

@Malevolent1 said:

Okay. In terms of current versions of each character, I lean toward the Surfer because of his superior speed. Last time the two confronted one another (Mighty Thor 4), I would call it a draw. But in terms of current capabilites, I give it to the Surfer.

Having said that, Marvel does a LOT of things I disagree with these days, including how the handle Thor. The two first met in Silver Surfer 4. Even infused with Loki's power, the Surfer was not match for Thor, who was holding back. In Silver Surfer 86, the two tangoed again, but Thor had the power gem (and no, he was not in the throes of warrior's madness). While the bout ended inconclusively, it is generally accepted that Thor had the upper hand. He went on to tango with Thanos in one of the coolest knockdown dragouts I've seen between two heavyweights that ended in a draw, and Thanos having to capture in a stasis field to stop.

Having said all this, Stan INTENDED Thor to be Marvel's top dog. However, Marvel these days, in my opinion, does not portray him as such.

1) The Surfer himself has indicated Mjolnir as mightier than his power cosmic. Again, that may be different these days.

2) Thor has the greatest will and most indomitable spirit of any Marvel superhero I've ever seen.

3) Better attributes? Depends on your preference. Thor is willing to fight to the death for what he believes in. The Surfer however, seeks for peace FIRST before he starts to cut loose.

Good post, sir.

#15 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

I see Surfer as the more powerful of the two and concerning their most recent battle, Surfer didn't even want to fight back while Thor kept rushing like a mad man.

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#16 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4529 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor!

#17 Posted by Onemoreposter (4047 posts) - - Show Bio

The Surfer easily if you go by the battle threads around here....which are lame because Superman could take both of them....

#18 Posted by SC (13092 posts) - - Show Bio

To me, Thor based on writer opinions, history, creator of characters intent and thats only by a slim margin. Both characters benefit by it being ambiguous enough to mean that each time they fight you won't know who wins. Then again CV Battles dictate Surfer probably definitely. Popular opinion beats objective reasoning and evidence of absence is evidence of absence and better to have a definite inaccurate answer than an accurate indefinite answer lol Great write up in link by the way OP. Thank you. 

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#19 Posted by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

@evilvegeta74 said:

Thor!
#20 Posted by TheSwordsman (1954 posts) - - Show Bio

I would say Thor is probably more powerful with Mjolnir, although Silver Surfer does not have the disadvantage of having the source of most of his power kicked or batted away or surrounded by some sort of force/energy field during a fight (although Thor can call it back or retrieve it, it is still out of the battle for a time.). Given this Achilles heel one could come to the conclusion that, while Thor is more powerful, SS has fewer limitations in battle making them possible equals(?).

#21 Posted by SupremeHyperion (1523 posts) - - Show Bio

Im not sure Thor has the greatest will more so one of the biggest egos. Surfer has the power cosmic and wants nothing more than to be able to spend his life speeding through the universe conflict free. Not holding back I think Surfer would take thor down.

#22 Posted by Z3RO180 (6533 posts) - - Show Bio

@SupremeHyperion:if they were both not holding back i think thor could win but surfer could also pull off a win if he made thor lose his cool.

#23 Posted by ThePhoenX (119 posts) - - Show Bio

@Z3RO180 said:

@SupremeHyperion:if they were both not holding back i think thor could win but surfer could also pull off a win if he made thor lose his cool.

Totally agree! Although Thor is my favorite character, I think when two heavy hitters, like this, collide, the outcome of the fight

should be able to go on both sides!

#24 Posted by Supermansito (197 posts) - - Show Bio

i think thor

#25 Posted by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor.

#26 Posted by ThanoStomp (788 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree with most of the comments as well. They both seem to hold back quite a bit. Surfer can manipulate energy and matter with ease, create "singulartities in peoples eyes" and Thor has a huge amount of power from being the Odinson and son of Gaea, a power he rarely taps into. Odin did mention to Thor that he basically hasn't scratched the surface of his power. King Thor could be a representation of what that power would look like.

Going all out......hard for me to pick. It could be 50/50 or 60/40 either way.

#27 Posted by Billy Batson (58021 posts) - - Show Bio

Silver Surfer, no question.
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#28 Posted by DevilInside4 (50 posts) - - Show Bio

@Billy Batson said:

Silver Surfer, no question.
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Ummmm no!! My own opinion...so don't take it personally!!

#29 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7184 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@Thor's hammmer said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Thor's hammmer said:

Thor. Surfer admits it. in an issue written by stan lee.

Classic Thor was equal with classic Silver Surfer though.

That's untrue, and you know it.

Equal No I know that's not the way their portrayed.

Than how?

Classic Thor atleast Matches a Surfer who is at almost double power. (had all of Loki's powers addeed to his)(and loki matches the surfer in power in the previous issue) and The Surfer admits Thor's stronger and when Loki is testing the Surfer's powers Loki says that as strong as the Surfer is alone his power is no match for Thor's... and the issue is written by stan lee who created both characters.

Latter Thor continues to defeat the Surfer even when the Surfer has back up. Surfer and Adam warlock flee fighting Thor once he starts unleashing all his power ause they no it's useless. seeing as how Thor already beats the Surfer twice in that arc. once 1 v 1 and once when the Surfer had backup.

#30 Posted by TDK_1997 (14891 posts) - - Show Bio

Silver Surfer.

#31 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Thor's hammmer said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Thor's hammmer said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Thor's hammmer said:

Thor. Surfer admits it. in an issue written by stan lee.

Classic Thor was equal with classic Silver Surfer though.

That's untrue, and you know it.

Equal No I know that's not the way their portrayed.

Than how?

Classic Thor atleast Matches a Surfer who is at almost double power. (had all of Loki's powers addeed to his)(and loki matches the surfer in power in the previous issue) and The Surfer admits Thor's stronger and when Loki is testing the Surfer's powers Loki says that as strong as the Surfer is alone his power is no match for Thor's... and the issue is written by stan lee who created both characters.

Latter Thor continues to defeat the Surfer even when the Surfer has back up. Surfer and Adam warlock flee fighting Thor once he starts unleashing all his power ause they no it's useless. seeing as how Thor already beats the Surfer twice in that arc. once 1 v 1 and once when the Surfer had backup.

That was Classic Thor.

#32 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbat87 said:

Surfer
#33 Posted by ShootingNova (16979 posts) - - Show Bio

Silver Surfer has some of the Power Cosmic, so he is pretty powerful. He can revive the dead/defeated/wounded, travel at immensely fast speeds,can sail through space and so on. Thor has Mjolnir, superhuman strength,speed, agility and other physical attributes. He can control massive amounts of lightning and thunder, and can fly, but in his current state, I don't think Thor is as powerful as Silver Surfer.

#34 Posted by God_Spawn (37871 posts) - - Show Bio

Silver Surfer. Bringing up the ancient old argument of Surfer stating Thor's hammer was better I don't see as relevant anymore. They weren't really too far apart to begin with in the olden days but since then Thor has been written weaker or less varied than his old days while Surfer has been amped up since post Annihilation.

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#35 Posted by sonny1 (55 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova said:

Silver Surfer has some of the Power Cosmic, so he is pretty powerful. He can revive the dead/defeated/wounded, travel at immensely fast speeds,can sail through space and so on. Thor has Mjolnir, superhuman strength,speed, agility and other physical attributes. He can control massive amounts of lightning and thunder, and can fly, but in his current state, I don't think Thor is as powerful as Silver Surfer.

No silver surfer cannot bring back the dead, well basically it's the only thing he can't do. I don't see why he couldn't out match Thor since he has been able to defeat hulk on several occasions. During planet hulk a mind controlled silver surfer without power cosmic took on hulk and the war bound single handily the only thing that saved them was hulk removing the slave disk controlling him. Big deal about Mjolnir, it's like an average person holding a gun at a slightly above average street level hero type. Sure if he gets shot he's done for, but if said hero is smart and quick enough to disarm his opponent, then what?

#36 Posted by Enigmatri (28 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor Odinson

#37 Posted by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

That was Classic Thor.

Classic Thor is essentially Modern Thor.

Anyway, Thor's more powerful.

#38 Edited by AssertingValor (5392 posts) - - Show Bio

@Thor's hammmer: True but surfer has recieved amps from galactus......

#39 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
Reed Richards verified the Surfer to be the most powerful being in the galaxy - surprise, also in an issue written by Stan Lee. And he has been powered up a series of times since both statements were made, while the most recent Surfer vs Thor fight was to a virtual standstill before Sif interrupted them.
 
But let's use more outdated examples to make a point. It's better that way.
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#40 Posted by jloneblackheart (5519 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ I like your outdated example the best though...
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#41 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@jloneblackheart: Mine is also more recent than the one in Silver Surfer v1 # 4, IIRC it's from Silver Surfer: The Enslavers, so I guess we win the outdated statements contest.
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#42 Edited by warlord1234 (1268 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deranged Midget said:

I see Surfer as the more powerful of the two and concerning their most recent battle, Surfer didn't even want to fight back while Thor kept rushing like a mad man.

True and Surfer is much more powerful then he was before.

#43 Posted by Enosisik (1153 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Surfer has more potential power but you could argue that either one is more powerful on any given day.

#44 Posted by Enigmatri (28 posts) - - Show Bio

You could argue that Silver Surfer gets powered up from time to time by Galactus or whoever he is but Thor can also touch on the power of the Odinforce.......all he needs to do is kill his father. Sorted.

#45 Posted by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor.

#46 Posted by deadpool6_6_6 (1064 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor

#47 Posted by PowerHerc (83461 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor is the more powerful character.

Always has been. Should always be.

#48 Posted by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc said:

Thor is the more powerful character.

Always has been. Should always be.

This.

#49 Posted by Malevolent1 (1072 posts) - - Show Bio

Love this question...it is a win win question for me because my favorite superhero is the Surfer. My second favorite is Thor (third is Blue Marvel).

When the two first met in Silver Surfer #4, it was clear that Thor was the more powerful of the two. It is also noteworthy that Stan Lee actually wrote that comic book, with the great John Buscema on pencils. Even amped by Loki's magic, the Surfer was no match for Thor. Interestingly, in The Mighty Thor 4, a reader wrote in and asked Stan, point blank, "Who is Marvel's most powerful superhero?". Stan's answer? "Thor!".

Unquestionably, Stan intended the Mighty Thor to be Marvel's top dog from the word go. Unfortunately, Stan retired as EIC in 1972. While Jim Shooter faithfully upheld Stan's vision of Thor as Marvel's premier powerhouse, the vision began to decay when Tom DeFalco took over, who for the first time in Marvel history, outrightly declared the Hulk to be superior in strength to Thor, but Thor to be the more powerful.

The Surfer and Thor clashed again in the Blood and Thunder arc in Silver Surfer #86, this time Thor was amped by the power gem and decidedly NOT holding back. The Surfer and Thor tangoed briefly; generally, that skirmish is ruled by fans as a win for Thor. My take was the Surfer was simply trying to slow Thor down, although unsuccessfully. It's not as if he were blood lusted. Thor went on to trade blows with Thanos, toe to toe, mano y mano in one of the most earth shattering fights between two heavy weights in Marvel history.

In 2007, after the Surfer had just been amped up by Galactus to a greater level of power, the Surfer went on to fight Beta Ray Bill in the Godhunter arc. The results were stunning. The Silver Surfer proceeded to literally beat BRB down. While he apologized. And with little effort. I've always seen BRB and Thor as fairly close in power and strength (although I have Thor up 2 to 1 in their fights). Nevertheless, for anyone who has a question these days about who might win in a fight between the Surfer and Thor, that fight stands as a possible outcome because of the similarity between Bill and Thor.

Finally, In Thor #4 last year, the Surfer clashed yet again with the Thunder God. While the outcome did not dictate a clear winner, I say it leaned slightly in favor of the Thunder God.

However, the aforementioned is an appraisal of these two titans in light of their fights in continuity.

However, a logical appraisal of these powerhouses respective set of powers might seem to favor the Silver Surfer these days. To me, clear advantages for the Surfer would lie in his obvious speed advantage. The Surfer is leagues faster than Thor, although Thor does have feats in continuity that demonstrate remarkable superhuman speed, but certainly not in the same league as a Superman and definitely not in the same league as the Surfer. The Surfer can phase. I don't know that Thor can counter that. How does Thor hit something he can't touch? Thor, on the other hand, has flashed some magical prowess, enough to counter Loki and on one occasion, Dr Strange. It's funny that Stan Lee never explored this aspect of Thor's powers more in depth. If Stan were competing with Superman in the powers department (as I have often felt he was...), it seems logical he would have capitalized on Thor's mystical/magical source of power as the antithesis to Superman's blazing speed. Is Thor's magical prowess enough to counter the Surfer's ability to phase or his insane speed? Questionable at best.

And of course, at this juncture, it is important to mention the Marvel universes version of a Green Lantern ring. Without Mjolnir, Thor is pound for pound, the strongest superhero in the entire Marvel universe (or at least, he used to be...). His durability in continuity shows him resistant to the adamantium claws of Wolverine and taking point blank explosions from nuclear bombs or doing battle in the heart of a star. It is important to note that Thor has control of the weather WITHOUT Mjolnir. Also, he is a skilled warrior.

With Mjolnir, he has the antiforce, the godblast, limited telepathic control over large crowds, invisibility, flight at 3x the speed of light, transmutation of elements and teleportation.

However, while the aforementioned facts seem to favor the Surfer, in my personal opinion, the Surfer is easily trumped by Thor when he is in possession of the Odin force. Rune King Thor is WAY, WAY out of the Surfer's league, in my opinion.

Having said all these things, I find myself wishing for the old days. I miss a Marvel universe that does not clearly indicate Thor as it's premier powerhouse superhero.

Just my two cents.

#50 Posted by mr_gone (218 posts) - - Show Bio

@gravitypress said:

As far as combat Thor hands down. Surfer beats him in utility and broad spectrum powers though.

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