alot of comic book fans have said that is "the worst page of all comic book history:" and some of the stupidest sh*t ever...
but is it really that bad
Black Panther is a really skilled fighter.. one of the top fighters in the Marvel U.. and has good agility and speed... and was able to lock it behind Surfer...
Black Panther H2H is vastly superior to Surfer's and he caught Surfer off guard.. Surfer did not have his board by the way....... plus when it comes to physical strenght.. i don't see
the surfer that much stronger then BP.....
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Was Black Panther "armbar" on Silver Surfer.. really that bad
Guys, the armlock wasn't exactly PIS. First, let me post the scan after that.
Also, this is what McDuffie said about the instance.
"Read the scene again and this time pay attention. The Surfer allowed the Panther to "restrain" him in the hope of finding out what the FF was up to. A panel later, the Surfer's assistant blasts the Panther unconscious. The Surfer is irritated because he wanted the Panther to talk, which he thought he might do if the Panther believed he had the upper hand. Most of the people who bitch about this have only seen a scan of one page, or have poor reading comprehension skills."
So, basically, the Surfer let T'Challa do it and made him think that he had him restrained. T'Challa didn't actually have Surfer restrained there.
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IT WAS BAD
Dwayne has sometimes made me feel uncomfortable
and I normally love or loved Dwayne McDuffie's work (RIP). Dwayne done great things for the comic industry, he worked in a media that was mostly white male dominated. Dwayne came after the first big black revolution, fights for equal rights, MLK but that does not mean everything was perfect, there was still a lot of work to do in the years Dwayne lived and wrote. As a minority you didn't really have equal opportunity in sport, media, business and entertainment. DC comics needed to follow through with that revolution which was going on in the film, music, business etc. Marvel had kinda got ahead by putting token black guys in their comics, Stan and Kirby were open minded to explore other ethnic groups and Marvel began filling team roosters with minorities. I mean only look at the JLA to see how ethnically unbalanced it was. Dwayne did some great things for DC in this area and having characters like Vixen and Green Lantern Stewart on the cartoon show added a more modern quality to DC comics.
What makes me uncomfortable is some of the time, online, in interviews etc Dwayne would come across as a guy who was still bashing his head against a wall even though most of the wall had been knocked a long time ago. You know these loud political people who give a modern German person grief because of something that happened 70 years ago, even though the modern German people have nothing to do with fascism or WW2...Dwayne would some times come across as a guy who was stuck in the past. I have mixed heritage, have white in my family but don't consider myself 'white'. What really bugged me is how Dwayne reacted to negative fan commentary. He said in online interviews the reason people got so upset was because it was a white guy getting beat by a black guy.
Not a herald of Galactus losing to T'Challa but Dwyane's excuse was to drop an F-Bomb and say fans only got annoyed cos of the race card
I was really disappointed in this remark and Dwayne's rant against comic fans once again made me feel uncomfortable
I never really saw Surfer as a 'white' either just a bald headed alien who looks silver, I didn't log on after reading the comic to trash Dawyne, I didn't post my dissapointment on his site....but its something I could have done because Dwayne chose to ignore power levels, Surfer should never be taken by a street leveler, Thor should never be beat by Taskmaster, Luke Cage should never be beat by a Hydra agent and Darksied should never lose to a flight of stairs...which ever writers produce nonsense like this deserve an online trashing. Dwayne just couldn't write or understand Surfer's power levels, Silver Surfer has skin durable enough to survive an enraged She-Hulk punching him straight to the face, Surfer depowered was still powerful enough to almost kill World War Hulk and all his Warbound (these battle arena friends were all as strong as classical Hulk)
I would hate to think any of my white comic book friends who didn't like this comic were RACIST like Dwayne implied....I would like to think they didn't like it because Dwayne produced BAD WRITING
There are times I felt Dwayne was stuck in the past,
I remember seeing ranting reviews months later saying how Dwayne was trying too hard to make the black folk look super cool, I mean in the same comic you had Storm breathe in space and take out an invulnerable herald Stardust with a lightning bolt...terrible writing.
but then again
months later we see Marvel fans go nuts over Thor
a black dude cast in a fictional/scifi movie involving Norse Gods...its science fiction an only losely based on the European myth so there's no reason Kenneth can't cast a black dude in this movie...yet fans went crazy online, i mean really crazy about the casting
so even though he screwed up on this particular comic maybe Dwayne had a point about this white vs black stuff after all
In the second scan you posted, Silver Surfer states that the disc used against him prevented him from using the Power Cosmic. What T'Challa used completely robbed Surfer of the Power Cosmic, altogether. That should clear up any misconception.
Storm and the rest of the Fantastic Four had devices on their forearms that provide oxygen for them to breathe out there. At the same time, Storm has been striking lightning in space and doing loads of other crazy things out there for decades. The fact that McDuffie wrote this isn't brand new. It's a part of Storm's character." I mean in the same comic you had Storm breathe in space and take out an invulnerable herald Stardust with a lightning bolt...
As far as Stardust goes, she reformed her body on the next page. Big deal.
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