no weapons gadgets or powers who is marvels best martial artist my top 5 are deadpool wolverine captain america daredevil and taskmaster
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Formerly known by names including "Atlas" and "Timely", Marvel Entertainment is the publisher of comic books featuring iconic characters and teams such as the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, the Avengers, the X-Men, Iron Man, the Hulk, Thor, Captain America and Daredevil. Currently owned by the Walt Disney Company, Marvel is one of the "Big Two" comic publishers along with DC Comics.
top marvel martial artist
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sorry about my list ive based it on if they had powers as deadpool although good without his healing not as good so i would place wolvey at top giving his years of training and the amount hes learned same with cap daredevil is good because of his senses and amazing agility. its much harder i find choosing a top marvel martial artist than a dc one. shang chi and in the future one of the best if not the best.
DC does seem to go further into ranking their martial artists and even displaying their abilities more. A lot of Marvel's martial artists, like the Sons of the Dragon (who are in their way analogous to Bronze Tiger and Richard Dragon) are fairly forgotten and there is very little talk throughout Marvel as to who is better than whom, when compared to DC's level of chatter on that subject.
eganthevile1 says:
"Iron Fist wins in the martial arts mastery category"
Iron Fist is clearly inferior to Shang-Chi. Many marvel characters, including iron fist himself have said so. Gamora might be best. Among humans, Shang-Chi or the Foreigner would be my pick as the best. Possibly, Moondragon who I think is undefeated.
Mantis, the celestial Madonna is another option. There is also the White Tiger (the first one) and Champion (who if he is protrayed correctly has travelled the universe for millions of years learning every fighting style).
Maybe something like this
Gamora
Howard the Duck
Mantis
Mandarin ringless
IronFist
(amped on Chi and mysticism)
Stick
(when he's being serious)
Moondragon
(classic levels)
Black Panther
(with a gadgets and suit)
Taskmaster
(with weapons)
Daredevil
(billy club and his enhanced senses and bullet timer feats)
Captain America
(with Shield and Serum)
Karnak
(can put The Thing on his butt)
Shang Chi
(bullet timer, skilled with any weapon out there, even better at hand 2 hand)
IronFist
(normal levels)
without their toys
Cap America (no shield)
Black Panther (no gadgets)
Daredevil (no weapons)
Without their powers or gadgets, the rest Gambit, The Punisher, Wolverine etc are pretty useless
the future culmination of what centuries of Marvel fighting skills universe wide will pass down and become.
" Maybe something like this Gamora Howard the Duck Mantis Mandarin ringless IronFist (amped on Chi and mysticism)Stick (when he's being serious) Moondragon (classic levels)Black Panther (with a gadgets and suit) Taskmaster (with weapons) Daredevil (billy club and his enhanced senses and bullet timer feats) Captain America (with Shield and Serum) Karnak (can put The Thing on his butt)Shang Chi (bullet timer, skilled with any weapon out there, even better at hand 2 hand)IronFist (normal levels) without their toys Cap America (no shield) Black Panther (no gadgets) Daredevil (no weapons) Without their powers or gadgets, the rest Gambit, The Punisher, Wolverine etc are pretty useless "No.
Captain America
Iron Fist
Shang Chi
Champion of the Universe...I think that's his name...
and...Dare Devil.
daredevil
shang shi
captain america
iron fist
longshot ( he is pretty skilled with just "luck" )
puck ( from alpha flight)
elektra
bullseye
Steve Rogers has a super power the serum which gives him everlasting endurance not to mention the enhanced strength etc. Wolverine is a mutant with massive powers in healing factors and adamantium bones. As much as he get's hit he kind of sucks at martial arts. He's about the same level as Silver Samurai. Logan actually WAS a samurai a hundred and 40 years ago but has sense lost much of what he knew and even the samurai or ninja often fall like scrubs to daredevil and elektra types. Daredevil has a power too, his super sonar like sense wasn't from training it was from toxic wasted splashed on his face. So those three are not on my list. White tiger got strength externally from talesments so she isn't on there either and wouldn't be anyway. Daken, Task Master, and Deadpool all have powers as well have powers. Karnak is not a human and neither is mantis. Bullseye now has enhancements, Lady Bullseye was a contender but just didn't make the cut.
By the way I'm a martial arts instructor and I much enjoyed this question.
- Shang Chi (It's a Bruce Lee if he was that size)
- Master Izo (Leader over Stick [but got voted out for his drinking and gambling habits] and still toys with top fighters like Daredevil) 2010
- Elektra (she took down red she hulk, and is so disciplined she came back from the dead and also fooled Osborn's high tech equipment)
- Iron Fist (obviously in the top 5 for a reason)
- Stick (trained Elektra and Daredevil) They have since surpassed him as he has aged and they have both improved
- Echo (proved to be the tougher Ronin and has a photographic visual to kinetic memory)
- Panther (he kind of has powers too as the Panther spirit gives him extra abilities but you could argue he earned that spirit) but because of it I ranked him lower
- Hawkeye and Black Widow I put them about the same, though I think Hawkeye could beat on more multiple opponents. His advantage is being bigger, and capable of taking more hits. Black Widow is sick but IF she got clocked she'd be out before he would. He also has the edge in throwing weapons as great as she is in marksmanship, he's better.
- Blade (given that he is fighting other full blooded vampire with his own abilities or more, you can gather what kind of martial artist he would be if he was a human fighting humans)
- Ogun (Who trained Wolverine when Logan was at his peak before the advent of modern guns)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbwV3nSfPeg&feature=related
Daredevil has a power too, his super sonar like sense wasn't from training it was from toxic wasted splashed on his face. "This is false.Stick taught Daredevil radar sense.
" @oiHooliganismoi: Captain America is chemically enhanced. To never tire or get sick is a big deal and unhuman. The strength he has depends on how he is written, at times he has way above even perfect human strength, sure a lazy wiki search will say he's normal 800lbs bla bla but if you actually read his comic books, he trumps that all the time. The guys is stronger than a silver back gorilla most of the time, and at other times you have him at superhuman levels, he's being struck by the hulk or even taking the hulk down (flashback from Spiderman while fighting Rhino in the grave yard with the black suit on he was saved by captain America who punched out the hulk.) and fighting with spiderman (who can lift ten tons) . and an armored ironman, holding hs arms back with just his muscles. No human would survive being swatted by the Hulk. Regardless, martial arts wise he's not in the same league as these others. And it's not about being superhuman it's about having a super power, which Steve rogers does, he got the serum. If you allow powers from external sources, then Daredevil should be on the list I made. "The OP says no powers but Daredevil and Captain America really don't have any.The Super Soldier serum enhanced Captain America's physical ability but it didn't teach him martial artists.He's one of Marvel's best fighters because he was trained to be.Same as Daredevil.He was trained to see without seeing.His senses being heightened by his blindness and training have nothing to do with his skill as a martial artist.
And Captain America is not one of the best fighters, he's a strategist with grape fruit size balls, and enhanced strength but not a martial artist. He has some basic training in martial arts he's a master of none of them. But because he at maximum agility, speed, power, endurance all things given to him he didn't develop it by training, even basic stuff is very good for him. But even Tony Stark could punch him in the face with no armor on. One thing he's mastered is his shield. And because he is so strong it's hard to deal with him. Like I said before, skip the lazy wiki entry, Captain America as he is actually written is way above peak human strength. He jumps off on planes, survives being frozen in the ocean for decades, fist fights with the hulk, can throw an armored person one handed like tossing a dart, he's not just peak human, he's juiced. And his power came from an external source as did daredevils.
When you're done making up stuff..let me know." @Vance Astro: Do you read these books? Dare Devil doesn't just have 4 other real good senses. He actually sees sound like a sonar effect like a bat or a ship. He's more batman than batman. It's absolutely a power. The guy can hear your heart beat from across the room and know if you are lying or not, and even feel ink off of paper and read it. What makes him "blind" would be too much noise. And Captain America is not one of the best fighters, he's a strategist with grape fruit size balls, and enhanced strength but not a martial artist. He has some basic training in martial arts he's a master of none of them. But because he at maximum agility, speed, power, endurance all things given to him he didn't develop it by training, even basic stuff is very good for him. But even Tony Stark could punch him in the face with no armor on. One thing he's mastered is his shield. And because he is so strong it's hard to deal with him. Like I said before, skip the lazy wiki entry, Captain America as he is actually written is way above peak human strength. He jumps off on planes, survives being frozen in the ocean for decades, fist fights with the hulk, can throw an armored person one handed like tossing a dart, he's not just peak human, he's juiced. And his power came from an external source as did daredevils. "
I'm actually backing up what I am saying with comics. You are are just declaring things out your arse. You are making things up.
"
Matt's remaining senses became heightened, and he was able to 'see' using a 'radar' sense, that showed outlines and shapes. His hearing became so acute that he could hear heartbeats. He could smell the faintest odor in a room. He could touch a newspaper to 'read' it."
His power was automatic numbnuts.
And Captain America has knocked out the Hulk with his fist, in Fallen Son.
" @Vance Astro: OK go look up Dare Devils bio, he had radar sense as a result of the toxis chemicals. The Character Stick wasn't even the book until the 1980s, he was an after thought. So for decades Dardevil had his radar sense without stick.
Matt's remaining senses became heightened, and he was able to 'see' using a 'radar' sense, that showed outlines and shapes. His hearing became so acute that he could hear heartbeats. He could smell the faintest odor in a room. He could touch a newspaper to 'read' it." His power was automatic numbnuts. And Captain America has knocked out the Hulk with his fist, in Fallen Son. "
I'm actually backing up what I am saying with comics. You are are just declaring things out your arse. You are making things up.
"
I don't have to look up Daredevil's bio.I wrote the one on CV.I'm a member of the forums on Manwithoutfear.com and I already read that bio.It doesn't say that the radioactive waste caused his radar sense.It says the radioactive waste caused him to lose his eye sight which heighted his other senses.Daredevil having his radar sense without Stick is irrelevant.We're talking about Daredevil RIGHT NOW! So right now this very moment Daredevil doesn't have any powers.His heightened senses were a natural occurrence.Before Stick trained him he was essentially a blind kid though.In Daredevil #177, Daredevil goes to Stick and relearns Radar sense.If you read Frank Miller's Man Without Fear it directly deals with the radioactive waste incident.But says nothing about the chemicals heightening his senses.It was stated that they came as a result of him being blind.Let me know what comic actually states this.Before Frank Miller wrote DD, he didn't have a real origin.His first issue begins when he's already Daredevil.
The scene in Fallen Son where Spider-Man remembered Cap knocking out the Hulk didn't happen like that.Maybe you should read the comic where it actually happened so you'd know what happened.Spider-Man remembers it because he HELPED Cap knock down the Hulk.I don't see what this has do with anything seeing as how it's plot induced stupidity and couldn't logically have happened anyway.The OP says no gadgets or powers.It doesn't say you cannot use characters who have powers, you're only considering what they can do without their powers.Daredevil,Wolverine,and Captain America are 3 of Marvel's elite fighters and you're trying to discredit them.You even went as far as saying Captain America hasn't mastered anything and it's completely false. Since you're big on bios, at least try reading Marvel's Handbook.Those bios are ACTUALLY published by the company.
I can't make a real top 10 because there are so many good fighters but I would say....
1.Wolverine
2.Mister X
3.Taskmaster
4.Iron Fist
5.Black Panther
6.Captain America
7.Elektra
8.Daredevil
9.Shang Chi
10.Mantis
Eat it.
Eat it again.
Next time try knowing what the hell you're talking about. It's one thing to make a mistake. It's another thing to just be a stubborn ass who continues to argue about something after being proven wrong.
This proves what I said.You said Cap knocked out the Hulk and clearly Spider-Man is helping him do it.The dialogue even supports what I said.
"The OP says no gadgets or powers.It doesn't say you cannot use characters who have powers, "
Without his powers Captain America is a frail little dude who couldn't do anything. And Daredevil before his splash was an armature wrestler ( a sport) and boxer (a sport). Nothing quite like a Ninja that can fly off roof tops and avoid people shooting bullets. He got that with his radar sense which is 100% a power. You said stick taught him that and he didn't it was there as so as he woke up. Stick trained him after that, a couple decades of daredevil books later, where given that he already had this power how to best use it.
That's what I would say if I was wrong too.It's what people tell themselves when they can't provide the proper evidence and they've been caught lying.You're just one of those people that can't admit being wrong. It's called being a child. "
Also Cap blocking Hulk's attack if i'm not mistaken was blocked by the shield which isn't a superhuman feat.The shield is vibranium.It absorbs impacts.
EDIT:I like how you say I'm dead wrong about Daredevil when you posted a link to something that supports what I said.I also gave you reference to two comics that SHOW Daredevil learned Radar sense.Read Man Without Fear and Daredevil #177..then come back.
GAMORA
MANTIS
HOWARD THE DUCK
MOONDRAGON
MANDARIN
IRONFIST
DAREDEVIL
BLACK PANTHER
CAPTAIN AMERICA
CHAMPION
KARNAK
PSYLOCKE
SHANG CHI
BULLSEYE
ELEKTRA
STICK
TASKMASTER
DEADPOOL
WOLVERINE
TOMBSTONE
VALKYRIE
MYSTIQUE
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