THE FINAL STRAW, MAN!!

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Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanks to Bleeding Cool (see this link http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/07/03/marvel-now-to-relaunch-a-new-title-every-week-for-five-months/), Marvel's unveiled their post AvX plans, and it includes the dreaded word RELAUNCH. But unlike the New 52, they're not doing anything to the continuity--but there will be time travel, an 18-member Avengers roster, and much, much.......too much (one guy knows what I'm talking about: http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/3833250.html). The initiative: Marvel NOW! (more info here: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=62892). And now, my thoughts on this, in no particular order:

REALLY, Marvel? Re-he-he-he-eally, Marvel? Are you seriously trying to get yourself (figuratively) moidered? Though the title of this implies something, let me tell you, it WILL be the final straw if anything happens to the only modern Big Two title I read: the current volume of The Defenders. I've just--I've had it to here with DC and Marvel's shenanigans:

Marvel NOW! has got to be the most BONE-HEADED, STUPIDEST, IDIOTIC, UNGRATEFUL, DOLLAR-SCENTED, PEA/HARE-BRAINED decision/get-rich-quick-scheme I have EVER heard of!!!! It only confirms one of many things I've wanted and wished would happen right now--a COUP D'TAT in mainstream comic book company management! I want Quesada, Loeb, EVEN Alonso OUTTA HERE!!!! Everything described in the Marvel NOW! details--it's not the right approach! Don't those 40% creative-minded 60% business-minded morons know ANYTHING? ANY of the things I've advocated for in my past "how-to-save-the-industry" blog posts would've worked much, much better than this! I hated the idea of The New 52, and this just makes it worse.

And yes, there is the return of Jean Grey--but I didn't want to see it like the way All-New X-Men was described!! It's just--that's nothing! Worthless!

Seriously---can't you do anything ELSE??? Is there some sort of mental block inhibiting the fine folks over at both the Distinguished and Marvelous competition? Can't they do anything OTHER than Marvel NOW!? Can't they????

Something tells me a fine-tuned, heartfelt letter is in order, and I intend for them to get it before making what may or may not be a terrible, terrible mistake. For if this affects the only Big Two title I read.....that's it. I'm done. No more modern Marvel or DC. My money will only go to their reprint division--and even then, I'll simply buy the books secondhand (HA-HA!). Something is rotten in the state of Denmark...I only hope the shlubs in what remains of the Mighty Marvel Bullpen realize it before it's too late.

#1 Posted by John Valentine (16306 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sure Marvel and DC are really going to miss you.

#2 Edited by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine: Probably not....BUT THEY SURE AS THE MUSTACHE ON MING THE MERCILESS WON'T HEAR THE LAST OF ME!!!!!!!

#3 Posted by John Valentine (16306 posts) - - Show Bio

Read Image's The Walking Dead instead. It's a happy, uplifting read.

#4 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine: One problem with that....I hate zombies. Well, not so much zombies, just the onslaught of them we're seeing nowadays, and that they happen to be the 'rotting corpse' type. WHERE are the voodoo zombies??? They deserve some spotlight too--they were the first zombies on film! Look at 1932's White Zombie with Bela Lugosi!

#5 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll read it before I hate it.

#6 Posted by Dernman (14774 posts) - - Show Bio

At least give it a chance. Be open to something new. Ya I don't hold out much hope but you might get surprised.

#7 Posted by John Valentine (16306 posts) - - Show Bio

@Darkmount1 said:

@John Valentine: One problem with that....I hate zombies. Well, not so much zombies, just the onslaught of them we're seeing nowadays, and that they happen to be the 'rotting corpse' type. WHERE are the voodoo zombies??? They deserve some spotlight too--they were the first zombies on film! Look at 1932's White Zombie with Bela Lugosi!

Do you value INTERPERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS and PERSONAL TURMOIL, though? It's as much a book about human survival, what people will do to survive and how they change due to circumstance as it is about hacking and killing zombies.

#8 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dernman: Slight problem with that logic--it may be 'new', but it's been done before.

If Defenders gets cancelled because of this, and the new Hawkeye isn't to my fancy because it gets entrenched in this, then the only modern comics I'm reading are all IDW: Trio, Godzilla by Duane Scwyrzinski (whatever it's supposed to be spelled), Transformers: ReGeneration One, G.I. Joe by Larry Hama, and hopefully Ghostbusters.

#9 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine: I do value those--just not in a post-apocalyptic setting ALL THE TIME. Like "The Godfather", like Watchmen, I can respect the place The Walking Dead has in pop culture...but I don't have to read it if I don't want to.

#10 Posted by longbowhunter (6810 posts) - - Show Bio

There was plenty to be upset about with new 52. But also a lot that got me excited. I feel the same about this. Mostly I'm just happy to have Hickman and Remender on the Avengers titles. It's been so long since I've been able to enjoy the Avengers comics.

#11 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio
#12 Posted by Dernman (14774 posts) - - Show Bio
@Darkmount1: Hasn't everything been done before?
#13 Posted by Jodez (150 posts) - - Show Bio

At least they won't be messing with continuity

#14 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dernman: EXACTLY!! It's time 'stunts' were retired. I tell you, if I'd taken charge, I would've made a whole deal of sweeping changes--one of which would be the placing of event books 'on probation'. By benching those for a while, I'd shift the focus to storytelling, not blockbuster storytelling.

#15 Posted by DMC (1550 posts) - - Show Bio

When it comes to loosing a favorite new, non-AAA, book, I think we all can feel your pain but if there's anything I've learned over the last couple years is that you just gotta enjoy them while they're here. Do whatever you can to promote your favorite book, but don't hold your breath.

In regards to Marvel Now, I don't think it's as bad as you think, besides we don't know everything about it yet. Unlike the DC relaunch - which is starting almost from scratch - Marvel just did this

  1. Take 616 continuity
  2. Shake it up, literally as in reality itself it seems
  3. Wait and open in October.

It's like they said "continuity will not be rebooted' just given a facelift. Hopefully the character won't change too much.

But if they ruin my Cap I'll be drinking the Haterade with ya.

#16 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12586 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sure the big two will be heartbroken.

#17 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@DMC: I'm not trying to be a hater--I see myself as more of an "I told you so" kind of person.

@Avenging-X-Bolt: Everybody knows that the Big Two, being corporations that aren't for Public Broadcasting, could care less if they lose one guy for the next 10 or so. But as I said--they won't hear the last of me if either of them screws up in their endeavors.

#18 Posted by Inverno (13061 posts) - - Show Bio

Thiz is bolzeet. Al of it.

#19 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

@Darkmount1 said:

@DMC: I'm not trying to be a hater--I see myself as more of an "I told you so" kind of person.

Because that's so much better?

#20 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg: Not the kind of "I told you so" person that say, Sheldon Cooper on The Big Bang Theory is (the snarky kind).

#21 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@CaioTrubat: All of the stuff about Marvel NOW!, or the entirety of my blog?

#22 Posted by danhimself (22304 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't even understand why you're mad...we've got a synopsis of 4 of the 20 books that they're doing over the 5 months of the revamp....so in the long run you know absolutely nothing about it....you're acting just like a stereotypical, jumping the gun, overreacting comic book reader

#23 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself: I'm not reacting to what the books are about---I'm mad that they're not doing anything to slow down! It's been constant event after event, change after change---they're going too fast! That's my problem.

#24 Posted by Inverno (13061 posts) - - Show Bio

@Darkmount1: The stuff about Marvel Now. I agree with everything you said. That is not counting the Punisher vs Marvel Universe. Srsly there are so much heroes vs heroes conflicts lately supervillains are unneeded anymore.

#25 Edited by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@CaioTrubat: I dare anyone going to ask a question at the Marvel panel at SDCC this year to walk up to the mike and just ask one simple question (your choice of two): Why? or What did we EVER do to you????

#26 Posted by danhimself (22304 posts) - - Show Bio

@Darkmount1: well there's no evidence that they're launching another event anytime soon...well except the This is War teasers and who knows what that will entail

#27 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself: I thought the "This is War" teasers were about the new volume of Punisher: War Zone.

#28 Posted by danhimself (22304 posts) - - Show Bio

@Darkmount1: have they said? I really wasn't paying attention enough to know

#29 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

Can someone confirm?

#30 Posted by frozenedge (1155 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly as long as it doesn't restart the entire universe like New 52 did, i'm okay with this. For some reason, I don't think a whole reboot like the New 52 would work well with Marvel.

#31 Posted by _Zombie_ (10323 posts) - - Show Bio

Dude, just don't buy the comics. Uber-rants are kind of annoying and just waste space.

#32 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozenedge: They confirmed that they wouldn't be messing with continuity, but still--events and initiatives like these (and those of the past couple of years) have been popping in the instant one of them finishes. It's exhausting, comics shouldn't be released that fast-paced! Where's the moderation, I ask you!

@ZombieBigfoot: Easy to do--up till last year I have almost NEVER bought any modern Big Two comics (except Incredible Hulk #600, the Obama cover Spider-Man issue, Amazing Spider-Man #607, and a couple of other exceptions). As stated earlier, I am only giving one modern Marvel title a shot: Matt Fraction's Defenders (and quite possibly the Hawkeye book he's working on). But as for the rest of Marvel/DC comics post-2008--THEY'RE HORRIBLY, UNBELIEVABLY......boring. It's like every book post 9/11 got the life sucked out of it, and I think it's terrible. There's no escapism, no optimism, no flights of fancy. It's depressing.

#33 Edited by _Zombie_ (10323 posts) - - Show Bio

@Darkmount1: I'm optimistic about the Hawkeye book.. but I've heard bad things about Defenders. I think something about it being boring. Dunno, didn't have much interest in the title myself. Also, I disagree. Winter Soldier, Rucka's Punisher run, and Remender's run on Venom are all brilliant.

#34 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@ZombieBigfoot: Brilliant they may be (according to people I've talked to), but still--they occupy a niche that shouldn't have spread to the rest of the comics. Spider-Man comics do have dire situations, but they don't HAVE to be all the time! On all the Marvel NOW! covers I've seen so far each character conveys the same thing to me: a Dirty Harry-era Clint Eastwood-esque demeanor. It's, it's....just dumb.

Oy, if only it would take just four words to get Brevoort, Loeb, Quesada, and Alonso to reconsider:

#35 Posted by Beast_in_the_Shadows (424 posts) - - Show Bio

I can understand your upset over this as it certainly doesn't seem like the best idea to me either, but It hardly seems as bad as the New 52. "Seems" being a key word as who knows where it will really go. But they made a definite point in reference to the DCnU by saying that this wasn't a reboot and they weren't throwing their history out the window. That's why, at least for now, I will hold out some hope for this not being as big a mistake as DC's reboot was.

#36 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@Beast_in_the_Shadows: I'm not saying they shouldn't have done it---I'm saying they shouldn't have done it TOO SOON.

#37 Posted by Donovan Montgomery (5416 posts) - - Show Bio

Just please, please, please don't start Daredevil over again.

This is all I ask.

#38 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@Donovan Montgomery: Hopefully for you they won't--if they do for some cockamamie reason, it only proves that the current administration at Marvel has brought (for some people):

#39 Posted by StarKiller809 (1237 posts) - - Show Bio

I understand that you are upset about this relaunch. I feel that Marvel is really just trying to get some money but (Like almost everything else), but I think that this could be your chance to see how one of the main two publishing companies can be enjoyable.  
Get only one, the one that you think sounds the coolest. Read it and then, if you hate it, I understand, but what if you like it?  
What if it gets you back into the Marvel Universe?? 
 
I don't like Marvel but I think I'm going to try out a few series because I want to like it.  
 
Plus, there has been some very good comics since 9/11.I only read DC and I've enjoyed a lot of comics since 9/11. Sure they aren't all happy but there are a few that are pretty optimistic, 

#40 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@StarKiller809: Such as???

#41 Posted by Jodez (150 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay i get that it sucks when a title gets cancelled, i'd hate it if some of my faves gets the boot but that's not gonna stop me from enjoying some of the 20 new titles. Hell I'd even go so far as to say this relaunch has me excited for things to come in the marvel department.

and as for the timing, most of the relaunch is spining out of avx so obviously it's gonna happen at the end of avx (or towards the end, not really sure on the dates).

#42 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jodez: Once again, I'm saying that I think this relaunch is two words: TOO SOON.

#43 Posted by Jodez (150 posts) - - Show Bio

@Darkmount1: Well when would you have liked them to do it? By the time this launches it will have been more than a year since the new 52, and like I said it's spining off from avx so it makes perfect sense for it to launch so closely. What would be the point of waiting?

#44 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jodez: What would be the point of waiting? To fully iron out any kinks in the relaunch! The heck with the retreats editorial has them go through, they need to go through every inch of the ideas and make sure, I don't know, something doesn't contradict the other, will one thing be well-received vs. hated, etc. Things like this should be intricately planned so that it doesn't 'explode' upon implementation.

#45 Posted by Jodez (150 posts) - - Show Bio

@Darkmount1: And what makes you think this hasn't been intricately planned? I mean it seems to me like this has been in motion since before avx (hence the reason for avx in the first place) meaning they've had at least a few months to plan it out. I highly doubt marvel would do such a big relaunch without thinking it through

#46 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jodez: Believe it or not, I'm actually curious as to what kind of alternative plans they had in mind besides Marvel NOW!.

#47 Posted by VenomMelendez (405 posts) - - Show Bio

Seriously? It isn't too much at all. In fact, all these teasers for Marvel Now look great.

#48 Posted by VenomMelendez (405 posts) - - Show Bio

As for being the wrong approach. Well, you're wrong, because it's the right approach. Hickman has been excellent in Fatanstic Four, so his Avengers run shall be great as well. Slick, you are overeacting.

And Time Travel isn't new to comics slick. Time travel stories have always been a part of comics. Seriously, calm down.

#49 Posted by Darkmount1 (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@VenomMelendez: Why are you calling me "slick"? Anyway, look, Hickman I'm sure will do fine with Avengers, but as to how they're integrating that team and the X-Men---that isn't the best way to do so! Adding every one of the X-Men to the Avengers takes away the unique idea of the Avengers. If I was running this show, I would've just had the major Marvel hero teams (ALL of them, Avengers, FF, X-Men) set up a big network-like structure, like on Justice League Unlimited. AND I would've had a free one-shot published every year that helped people (new and old readers, young and old readers) keep up with what's going on in the Marvel Universe--I even have the perfect name for it: Marvel Yearbook. THAT would've been the best way--not all this redressing and reshuffling of characters and creative teams. That, and I would've gotten rid of New and Secret Avengers (I kept Avengers Academy because, despite being a modern comic, I like the idea)--I just think those two teams are too much. I'm a devotee of the DCAU and MAU, and to me, there is no New Avengers, no Mighty Avengers, no Secret Avengers, JUST Avengers. Same thing with the Justice League--International, Elite, Dark, of America, and Task Force are fine for the realm of comics, but when I'm around, it's just plain, good old Justice League.

#50 Posted by RPatrick (30 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Mr. Darkmount is over-reacting. Just a tad.

Dude, just wait for the titles to come out before you start losing your mind.

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