Lookit this cool infographic about Marvel's cosmic hierarchy

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#1 Edited by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

found it online

Why marvel is the strongest fictional universe, if not top position

Overall DC has the tougher earth based heroes (current superman and whatnot), but in the grander scheme of things marvel has a more established cosmology.

#2 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow pretty cool, where'd you get it from?

I don't know much about cosmics (or anyone above mid-tier characters, really) but can anyone confirm the validity of this graphic?

#3 Edited by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@veshark: google and comic blogs, they included the many angled ones so it is updated

#4 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (32819 posts) - - Show Bio

It still annoys me that the Christian god get's to be "the one above all"

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#5 Edited by MandoViking (347 posts) - - Show Bio
#6 Edited by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous said:

It still annoys me that the Christian god get's to be "the one above all"

HELL to the f_cking no

Jack Kirby is GOD, not judeochristian crap (that is DC's motto)

marvel use author avatar, that assumption is offensive.

yahweh is just a rank description to give people idea

#7 Edited by Xeroxer (31 posts) - - Show Bio

Ahh marvel, it's a big world

#8 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5175 posts) - - Show Bio
#9 Edited by Fallen_Crippled (6436 posts) - - Show Bio

Cool!

#10 Posted by tigerkaya (1262 posts) - - Show Bio

If theirs one thing I love about Marvel over any fictional universe its their mythos and celestial beings minus the Phoenix. I like the fact these beings are the OP of the Marvel U. its why I hate the Superman level characters like Hyperion and Blue Marvel. Characters that have no real weaknesses to bound them to the Marvel U. standards. Reason why I like Gladiator is the fact his weakness is so bad he practically qualifies in the Marvel rank.

#11 Posted by Xeroxer (31 posts) - - Show Bio

@tigerkaya: There is always bigger fish in the sea, some reality warper on earth may think they are the bees knees but then they look up and walk away.

There are gods

Then there are beings that even gods consider to be gods above them

#12 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio
#13 Posted by tigerkaya (1262 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeroxer: Very true. Guys like Franklin Richards find out they grow up to be an omnipotent being in the ranks of the other cosmic gods. Even outranking some.

#14 Posted by Xeroxer (31 posts) - - Show Bio

@tigerkaya: It is a big ladder up, with plenty of hurdles one they he will graduate from earth and enter the league of real gods

#15 Posted by SheenLantern (6250 posts) - - Show Bio

It still annoys me that the Christian god get's to be "the one above all"

To be fair, he's not just the Christian god, he's also the god of Islam and Jewdism

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#16 Edited by Owie (3621 posts) - - Show Bio

Neat. This stuff is always arguable, but it's nice to see someone try to lay it out anyway.

#17 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous said:

It still annoys me that the Christian god get's to be "the one above all"

To be fair, he's not just the Christian god, he's also the god of Islam and Jewdism

That thing is not and never will be, check the link

#18 Posted by ShadowSwordmaster (12218 posts) - - Show Bio

This is pretty cool.

#19 Edited by RustyRoy (11084 posts) - - Show Bio

MU is undoubtedly larger and more powerful than DCU. Anyways cool info.

#20 Posted by Xeroxer (31 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: Marvel did the smart move with Jack Kirby, dc focuses too much on biblical lore and whatnot

@shadowswordmaster: everything is cooler in space

#21 Edited by TheManInTheShoe (3876 posts) - - Show Bio

Cool

#22 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

#23 Posted by tigerkaya (1262 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeroxer: One human I'd like to see move up before Franklin is Molecule Man. He has shown in the past that he's capable of understanding the universe when Doom cleared his mind in Secret Wars.

#24 Posted by Xeroxer (31 posts) - - Show Bio

@tigerkaya: Yeah, but him and beyonder have been retconned hell and back

#25 Posted by tigerkaya (1262 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeroxer: eh so what people in Marvel and DC get retconned all the time. Stark claims Spider-woman is the greatest spy, than in the recent Iron Man comic Iron Man is considered the greatest genius for making weapons for the government and SHILED even though the Governments and SHILD are useless against every alien attack even with every advance weapon Stark builds them, and so on.

#26 Posted by Xeroxer (31 posts) - - Show Bio

@tigerkaya: They are foolish for focusing everything on the 'street' scene when they have a large established cosmos waiting to be explored

#27 Edited by tigerkaya (1262 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeroxer: Agreed I would love to see Eternity and Infinity's explored further, Master Order and Lord Chaos, Oblivion and all the other lesser abstracts that are not Celestials and Galactus.

#28 Posted by Xeroxer (31 posts) - - Show Bio

@tigerkaya: True, I also want to explore the non-human races and their cultural workings

#29 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (5504 posts) - - Show Bio

They seem to be missing heralds of Galactus. Other than that, cool infographic

#30 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous said:

It still annoys me that the Christian god get's to be "the one above all"

To be fair, he's not just the Christian god, he's also the god of Islam and Jewdism

According to the Ghost Rider comics, everyone with a faith worships the same God.

Which makes GR > to Sky fathers :)

So all these whiners saying (I dont believe in the bible) who cares? If this is played out you worship and feed him no matter what religion or non religion you are.

#31 Posted by lykopis (10756 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2:

If it's in a book, it has to be true....

;p

@nerx

Love the infographic -- love that it's huge too so I didn't have to trigger a migraine to read it. Second image is adorable too.

@xeroxer:

"Aw, kids...don't be scared."

"Really, Mr Richards?"

"First of all, it's DOCTOR Richards..."

Only a tiny taste of the win to be found on this thread. This pretty much made my night.

#32 Edited by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis: no probs

@cadencev2: God did not make the universe in marvel, Kirby did >.>

also he ain't got no feats

Space Gods > Crappy earth faiths

#33 Posted by Xeroxer (31 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis: folks in marvel ought to worship space Gods, who in fact are very active compared to their earthen contemporaries

#34 Posted by RustyRoy (11084 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeroxer said:

@lykopis: folks in marvel ought to worship space Gods, who in fact are very active compared to their earthen contemporaries

Galactus doesn't speak like that. But yeah Marvel cosmo is far more interesting than DC.

#35 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx: Actually the Religion base God has many feats.

God created the Earth the holds the Cosmos together (Son of Satan)

God casts out Lucifer from Heaven, a Super powerful Hell Lord. (Ghost Rider)

God here takes out 6 Hell Lords with a flash. Then sets rules on them to rule Hell as the true devil. (X-Factor)

God not only created Heaven, but this whole Dimension for the Ghost Riders.(Ghost Rider)

God created Man Kind. (Ghost Rider)

God created all the 100s of Hell Lord level Ghost Riders. Each GR is a portion of Gods total power according to the comics. (Ghost Rider)

One Angel of God is equal to Mephisto in power (Ghost Rider)

So..... God has no showings, except being more awesome in power, creation, and total power than Galactus on his better days.

I say this as Galactus has trouble with Mephisto, yet Ghost Riders and Angels as well God himself is superior to 100 Mephistos.

So Religious God > Odin, Galactus typical day, and Celestials.

Bamsky

#36 Edited by tigerkaya (1262 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Too bad the Ghost Rider mythos plays such a minor role in the Marvel universe's daily basis. Hell Mephisto plays a far more larger role than Ghost Rider in Marvel and he doesn't need to beat anyone simply being persuasive. While As to Galactus vs Mephisto as I recall Mephisto is only powerful when he's in his home turf. Heres a question when was the last time Ghost Rider was relevant to the Marvel U. that wasn't in his own comic. Guy had two chances to make it big by fighting a demon possessed Daredevil and Wolverine and lost miserably.

#37 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Too bad the Ghost Rider mythos plays such a minor role in the Marvel universe's daily basis. Hell Mephisto plays a far more larger role than Ghost Rider in Marvel and he doesn't need to beat anyone simply being persuasive. While As to Galactus vs Mephisto as I recall Mephisto is only powerful when he's in his home turf. Heres a question when was the last time Ghost Rider was relevant to the Marvel U. that wasn't in his own comic. Guy had two chances to make it big by fighting a demon possessed Daredevil and Wolverine and lost miserably.

Ghost Rider is written as 2 ways. His Human Control (Johnny Blaze, Dan Ketch) version which is limited in power. Or his Spirit of Vengeance (Zarathos, Nobel Kale) Hell Lord level power.

The one fighting Shadow Land Dare Devil and Possessed Hellverine.... that was Blaze, not Zarathos.

GR also beaten Helllords and Mephisto in their own Realms where they match Galactus. Nuff said.

Also too bad God appears outside the Ghost Rider Comics and is confirmed a major player in those comics I showed above as well. God is a establish bada$$ power in the current Marvel Universe. People need to get over and accept it like DC / Image.

#38 Edited by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2:

Hell lords is not that impressive on that big scale since a Dormammu is stronger than the average hell lord, and faltines are not an endangered race. In the bigger picture God is just a baby suckling on mommy's teats.

Typical writers on that religimon, case in point FF animated series when Galactus got downed by a penance stare.

#39 Posted by Xeroxer (31 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: The problem with comics is that they cap on 'God' I say it is about time they went vertigo and kill yah/llah/ovah

#40 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx said:

@cadencev2:

Hell lords is not that impressive on that big scale since a Dormammu is stronger than the average hell lord, and faltines are not an endangered race. In the bigger picture God is just a baby suckling on mommy's teats.

Typical writers on that religimon, case in point FF animated series when Galactus got downed by a penance stare.

God > Ghost Rider > Galactus.

Animation Universe, canon its true.

#41 Edited by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Galan is only medium fish, plenty of folks out there who can make God their b!tch

Dormammu > Mephisto > GR

#42 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx said:

@cadencev2: Galan is only medium fish, plenty of folks out there who can make God their b!tch

Dormammu > Mephisto > GR

GR > Mephisto.

Zarathos battles.

This is Zarathos true form which cause Classic Dr. Strange, Ketch GR, and the rest of the Midnight Sons retreat from most of the battles.

Zarathos battle with Mephisto. Zarathos had to be depowered before Mephisto could take him. This later is Retcon with current Origins, however both Nightmare and Mephisto as well Centurious confirm this. So a clash in continuity I guess lol.

Zarathos vs Null the Living Darkness. This guy later becomes a Defender level threat and minor Abstract Being. Nothing Null could do could effect Zarathos including shrinking him.

Zarathos overpowers Hell Lord Azmodeus in his own Hell Realm.

This is Lucifer at full power.

Zarathos effortlessly pwns a Half Power Lucifer with no trouble.

Now a showing of the Brothers Ghost Rider vs Zadkiel. Some key thing first.... Zadkiel is the keeper of the Ghost Riders, a Arch angel, and tasked by God to oversee them on earth. Zadkiel plans to take the Throne for himself.

Zadkiel is no joke of a Arch Angel either and one of the stronger ones rivaling Lucifer, Kazaan, and Ruth.

He finds a plot whole and exploits it through Ketch gathering all the Spirits of Vengeance power and burn Heavens Gates down. After this Ketch, Blaze, and Vengeance are the only ones with Spirits left on earth, and are hunted down as they search for a way into Heaven. They team up with Son of Satan and a new Anti Christ called Kid Blackheart. Zadkiel meanwhile is getting the hang of his powers over all Creation.

Zadkiel power as God and gathering it fully over all Creation.

Finally the Brothers find their way to Zadkiel and battle.

Zadkiel cannot be beaten by them 2 alone, however with power over all Creation and his Reality Warping Powers was unable to do anything to the GRs. Then Blaze learns a new trick from Roxanne, Summoning the Spirits of Vengeance and overpower Zadkiel.

Nobel Kale Battles.

Nobel Kale is the true power of GR Ketch. It is important to note that after the 90s run, Nobel Kale was separated from Ketch. This leads to Ketch being easily manipulated by Zadkiel, who give Ketch a new and undentified Spirit of vengeance.

Nobel kale works with Ketch and pwn Nightmare in his own Realm.

Nobel kale pwns Blackheart in his Hell Realm.

Nobel Kale vs Uriel, a powerful Angel equal to Mephisto as the first scan shows. No contest in power scaling.

So Mephisto > GR? Even tho Zarathos was already more powerful than Mephisto and had to be Depowered?

Sounds like flawless reason to me.

#43 Edited by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Does GR have access to the 100% of zarathos's powers, earlier in that lucifer series he is limited to his portion and did not go all out, same in wwh where he went for a nuking effect. That is it.

edit:

Said lucifer thing is also a one panel prediction that never happened

#44 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx: For the one panel prediction it is accurate as seen with the Defenders when Mephisto merge his full power on Earth. Same thing happen, so I see no way it is faulty.

Also Blaze limits himself.

Next you will aks "Why does Blaze hold Zarathos back?"

Easy answer, Zarathos is not a nice guy.... at all.

When fighting Lucifer, Zarathos put people at risk of death, Blaze is your typical Hero, Zarathos is more impartial, he cares only for the end result, Vengeance.

#45 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Character actions are liabilities, so are transformations. Say a big G or a Meph can simply go all out and blast their enemies, ketch/blaze needs to summon power/transform/call out super powered evil side to get on par.

#46 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx said:

@cadencev2: Character actions are liabilities, so are transformations. Say a big G or a Meph can simply go all out and blast their enemies, ketch/blaze needs to summon power/transform/call out super powered evil side to get on par.

Pretty much. It is how GR can be used in street level Plots Lines and then amped to some of the Highest Tier level Plot Lines.

#47 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Wouldn't say highest, but yes he is variable as is spawn and strange (although in his case it is reversed from high [ditko] to low [bendis])

#48 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx said:

@cadencev2: Wouldn't say highest, but yes he is variable as is spawn and strange (although in his case it is reversed from high [ditko] to low [bendis])

The thing about GR is once Spirit of Vengeance is out, his only weakness on panels are Strange level Magic Spells and Holy damage.

So guys like Silver Surfer, Heralds of Galactus, and Hyperion cannot even harm GR.

#49 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Depends on the context and which herald, Tyrant can and maybe morg as well back then in the 'space era' of marvel

and 'once it is out' is a big liability, if it is out all the time then it is good

if he has to switch it is bad

#50 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx: Depends on the match. If he want to let it out, out it goes. Blaze can start the match with Zarathos in control. He done so a few times. In the 70s/80s Zarathos took control period with Blaze having no clue or control.

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