How about Solar: Man of the Atom?

Was he a rip-off of someone?

@ARMIV2 said:

Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Spider-man, Hulk, Punisher, Daredevil, Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops, Silver Surfer, Galactus, and Ghost Rider to name a few.

@Macest128 said:

@Man Without Fear said:

None of their characters are rip-offs. Ripping characters off is against the law and since no legal action has been taking against Marvel I would say they don't have ANY rip-offs. Marvel has characters inspired by others but so does DC. Even characters like Superman whom Marvel has used as reference material for quite a few of their characters. Most characters in comics aren't completely original or characters in general. Alot of characters are inspired by something or someone so....

we all know the young avengers are a rip-off of the teen titans

Actually, Teen Titans would be considered more of a rip-off of the series from the 1940's called Young Invaders which starred Bucky. and Namor and Human Torch's sidekicks. By your logic anyway.

There are just only so many types of teams and kinds of powers that you can give a character. I mean he's rich or he's poor, he's smart or dumb, he looks like a normal human or not, he can fly or can't , super strong or not, has a cape or doesn't , ....and so on and so on....See they are just basic superhero traits and you are bound to click a few of the same from time to time. As far as writing goes, well there are certain classic stories that all writers reinvent no matter what kind of fiction they writing so stories will sometimes sound the same.

I don't get these threads.

I know who is a rip off though, Speed from young avengers.

Just made either in spite or ppl who don't understand how artistry compliments itself and has a certain formula for each genre..._________ Also that stuff about Thor being to much like the myth... Unlike Greco/Roman myths, There actuallly is very few references found for Norse Myths being that nearly all was lost when the Christans took over. The only information we have are a couple of poems written after most of the myths had been changed to the Christain vew of the Nordic gods and short stories that often contradict those poems and are found on Rune stones. So you see there is very little base material for the story of Thor other than a family tree, a hammer,a belt and his death everything else Marvel has had to invent on it's own.

I haven't read all of these posts, but I'm pretty certain SpiderMan is an original.

@knighthood said:

I haven't read all of these posts, but I'm pretty certain SpiderMan is an original.

yep I was going to say the same

Spider-man is a ripoff of the African spider Gods.... (said sarcastically) but yes the half spider half human idea is not original either lol.

@RainEffect: hulk is a rip off of grundy

@gethere: hulk is a rip off of grundy

@ARMIV2: hulk is a rip off of grundy

@Almighty_Darkseid said:

@gethere: hulk is a rip off of grundy

@ARMIV2: hulk is a rip off of grundy

Can't really see how but I respect your opinion.

@Almighty_Darkseid: For the last time NO is he is not, Solomon Grundy and the the Hulk May have similarities, yes, but those similarities are far too basic and common place on comic book monsters ( of which Grundy is not the first I might add). 1)Similarities which are being super-strong, color disfigurement, being destructive, and of course being monsters.2) There are far to many differences between the two in particular their origin.Solomon Grundy a man named Cyrus Gold is killed is in a swamp and is brought back as a swamp zombie, there that was his origin for the next 30-40 years. The hulk a man named Bruce Banner creates a gamma bomb, but see a boy out on the testing field, he run out to rescue the kid only to heroic sacrifice himself to save the kid. That night he transforms in to a monster the he breaks out the military attack him. The character characteristics were different as well Solomon Grundy was mostly mindless, destructive and was a villain, the hulk was intelligent, cunning, a jerk, but with a heart of gold, and a hero, the boy named Rick Jones became an supporting character, he was constantly chased by the military and he help formed a superhero team. The only reason the those two are even put together is because of that stupid Amalgam comic in DC themselves admitted that they could not find a counterpart for the hulk and only picked Grundy because he was the most well known of their own comic book monsters.

@gethere said:

@Almighty_Darkseid: For the last time NO is he is not, Solomon Grundy and the the Hulk May have similarities, yes, but those similarities are far too basic and common place on comic book monsters ( of which Grundy is not the first I might add). 1)Similarities which are being super-strong, color disfigurement, being destructive, and of course being monsters.2) There are far to many differences between the two in particular their origin.Solomon Grundy a man named Cyrus Gold is killed is in a swamp and is brought back as a swamp zombie, there that was his origin for the next 30-40 years. The hulk a man named Bruce Banner creates a gamma bomb, but see a boy out on the testing field, he run out to rescue the kid only to heroic sacrifice himself to save the kid. That night he transforms in to a monster the he breaks out the military attack him. The character characteristics were different as well Solomon Grundy was mostly mindless, destructive and was a villain, the hulk was intelligent, cunning, a jerk, but with a heart of gold, and a hero, the boy named Rick Jones became an supporting character, he was constantly chased by the military and he help formed a superhero team. The only reason the those two are even put together is because of that stupid Amalgam comic in DC themselves admitted that they could not find a counterpart for the hulk and only picked Grundy because he was the most well known of their own comic book monsters.

negative, when hulk first came out he was grey and was basically the same as grundy, he was never intelligent, and still isnt, they both say their names then smash after, when they did admit it? umm u do know that grundy came out 20 years before hulk was ever even thought of right?

Is there anything OP says that aren't stupid?

@Almighty_Darkseid: how is being killed and brought back by swamp magic similar to gamma radiation bombardment?? FAIL.

@KainScion: they have more similarities than not so...

@sesquipedalophobe said:

I don't get these threads.

I feel you.

@InnerVenom123 said:

Is there anything OP says that aren't stupid?

Is the answer to Ivy's question blatantly obvious?

All these question, and more, answered in the next episode of Dragon Ball Z!

Is there anything OP says that aren't stupid?

@Mercy_ said:

@InnerVenom123

Is there anything OP says that aren't stupid?

*isn't

Way to ruin the joke. :P

Every character is in some way inspired by another. With a comic universes consisting of literally hundreds of characters obviously their will be similarities. Often for the sake of a story line a writer might want or need a character that resembles superman. The reference point is not always DC or Marvel. For one I think that the Hulk is most akin to Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde and he looks like Frankenstein. Solomon Grundy looks more like Frankinstien, so is it not plausable that both were inspired by frankinstien rather than one and other?

With superman, you have to understand he was one of the first if not the first to have super powers. I wouldn't call anything that comes to be as a result of him a rip off, more inspired. You have to think if your going to make a superheroe yourself, the chances are they will fly and have super strength, a cape? maybe or some long fluttering garment like a jacket ( Matriox Neo). The only way you won't step to this default of superman is when you want to create a different character and a can assure you that without using some sort of inspiration your stuck with the average Joe ( Kick ass). What would you have?

Superman is the source, so most powerful superheroes will have what he has atleast.

Is Stephen Hawkin a rip off of Einstien because he was inspired by him? no.

@Almighty_Darkseid: WRONG, because when he was first created the hulk was intelligent as in he spoke in correct full sentences and was very cunning, yes wasn't said to always a genius like banner, but many of when the hulk first adventures he was known to have outsmarted his opposition many times. I know what what you thinking of as many hulk writers screwed up hulk early days mostly due to mixing up the well know savage hulk and his other incarnations. The savage first appears in the early 70s, as for the character own intelligence have been in his own book as normal human level to genius level and back normal for the past 35+ years . Which tell me you have not really read anything on the hulk. I don't really think you understand what is considered a ripoff is the character must have a lot characteristics and in common this is usually personally, background, supporting characters, enemies, the hulk and and grundy have none of that and more in common. This pointless thing that people keep pushing something that is not there. To say that the hulk and grundy are similar because of basic comic monster characteristics is the same saying every white male hero is a ripoff every other because they are simply white and male. It too basic.

@gethere said:

@Almighty_Darkseid: WRONG, because when he was first created the hulk was intelligent as in he spoke in correct full sentences and was very cunning, yes wasn't said to always a genius like banner, but many of when the hulk first adventures he was known to have outsmarted his opposition many times. I know what what you thinking of as many hulk writers screwed up hulk early days mostly due to mixing up the well know savage hulk and his other incarnations. The savage first appears in the early 70s, as for the character own intelligence have been in his own book as normal human level to genius level and back normal for the past 35+ years . Which tell me you have not really read anything on the hulk. I don't really think you understand what is considered a ripoff is the character must have a lot characteristics and in common this is usually personally, background, supporting characters, enemies, the hulk and and grundy have none of that and more in common. This pointless thing that people keep pushing something that is not there. To say that the hulk and grundy are similar because of basic comic monster characteristics is the same saying every white male hero is a ripoff every other because they are simply white and male. It too basic.

negative, the only smart hulk is banner hulk, which isnt the first hulk, the first hulk created was dumb and looked just like frankenstein, as grundy does, when did he outsmart his enemies? his enemies are dumb as well, and negative once again, rip off just means a copy of the original, like for example the writers already have admitted that deadpool is a copy of deathstroke but yet none of their enemies, personalily, background, etc is the same

u clearly dont understand me both of grundy and hulk says smash, both repeat their damn names all the time, theres already a thread done that hulk is a copy of grundy

@Almighty_Darkseid: Man, read his comic he was able to speak in full sentences at the when he first appeared, again he may have not had a genius level intelligence, but was very intelligent. As well you are very wrong about banner hulk being the only smart one, as in addition to the original, there was 80s Mr. Fixit who had a normal level and could call upon banner genius intellect when he wanted too, 90s, Professor/merge hulk who usually had a genius level intellect, and current world breaker is normal intellect who depending on the writer is also able to be a genius when he want to. As for the hulk being a copy how a magical swamp zombie a copy of radioactive Dr.Jekyll and Mr.Hyde?

@gethere said:

@Almighty_Darkseid: Man, read his comic he was able to speak in full sentences at the when he first appeared, again he may have not had a genius level intelligence, but was very intelligent. As well you are very wrong about banner hulk being the only smart one, as in addition to the original, there was 80s Mr. Fixit who had a normal level and could call upon banner genius intellect when he wanted too, 90s, Professor/merge hulk who usually had a genius level intellect, and current world breaker is normal intellect who depending on the writer is also able to be a genius when he want to. As for the hulk being a copy how a magical swamp zombie a copy of radioactive Dr.Jekyll and Mr.Hyde?

both hulk and grundy looked like frankenstein, when they first came out and grundy came out 20 years before hulk was ever thought off

Not all of their characters are rip-offs.

@Almighty_Darkseid: Wow, that really bad,,,,, okay I' m not going argue anymore believe want.

@almighty_Darkseid..... Solomon Grundy is like literally based on the english poem Solomon Grundy.... Hulk is based on jekyll and hyde... They both were based on Frankenstein for looks... Hulk is not a rip off of Grundy..

Rip off is a very lose term. But having a character with simular characteristic to another isn't ripping off. Sometimes a comic company gets lucky and the idea hasn't been done yet. Which seem to get crowned as original. Batman may have been inspired by Zorro and Sherlock Homes, but Batman as a character is completely different. He is is own character. When characters get created it's more or less taking an idea and thinking how can I do this different or even better. Some get popular and some don't. Fantastic Four is simular to the stories of that of other stories created at DC or in Hollywood, but what sets them apart is what Marvel did with them and how they evolved as a characters. Every idea comes from somewhere. Inspiration is all around us.

Bunch of generic ideas blended together and mix and matched into building an original.

Would any one say that DC store the idea of Killer Croc from the Spider-Man who had the Lizard? I would say no. Sure they are simular villains. But their characters are completely different. But by going off everyones logic and claiming Marvel steels solely based on ideas would have DC doing the same thing. Same thing can be said about DC's Doomsday and Marvel's Hulk. But everyone wants to bash on Marvel. Why is that?

Iron Man

The Incredible Hulk

Thor

Captain America

Namor

Spiderman

Black Panther

Deadpool is a rip off of DC deathstroke who is a rip off of MARVELS Deathlok

Both marvel and DC characters are  parrallel to each other

@macest128:

Man thing 1971 - Swamp thing 1971 (Man thing came out may, swamp thing came out july)

Namor 1939 - Aquaman 1941

Aarkus(the original vision) 1940 - Martian Manhunter 1955Deathlok 1974 - Cyborg 1980Captain America 1941 - Guardian(DC Comics) 1942Wasp 1963 - Bumblebee 1977Blazing skull 1941- Atomic Skull 1978The Lizard 1963 - Killer Croc 1983Human Torch 1939(golden version) - Sunboy 1961Dormammu 1964 - Trigon 1981Electro 1964 - black lighting 1977Spiderman 1962 - Black Spider 1976 Galactus 1966 - Anti-Monitor 1985 Iron Man 1963 - Steel DC 1993 Hulk - Doomsday (I won't list the time of debut because it's painfully obvious.) Gorilla-Man 1954 - Gorilla Grodd 1959Phoenix 1963 - Raven 1980Red Skull 1941 - 1985 Black MaskBlack Panther 1966 - Bronze Tiger 1974

Jack frost 1941 - Icicle 1947

Crossbones 1981 - Bane 1993Whirlwind 1963 - Red tornado 1968

Multiple Man 1975 - Multiplex 1978

Enchantress(Marvel) 1964 - Enchantress(DC) 1966. Sauron 1969 - Man Bat 1970 Show lessAlso, Deathstroke is a ripoff himself of two characters created before him. Take 'Super Soldier' Captain America and have him go the route of a mercenary - Taskmaster. DS even had Taskmaster's costume, colors, arsenal, attitude. Deadpool is Marvel's way of laughing about it. :)

I think the trollish motive behind the threads like this, which tends to accuse Marvel being the one ripping off, does have a legitimate precedent for two reasons:

1. Marvel are absolutely blatant and shameless in their knocking off, examples: Wade WILSON, KAL-LARK, Moon KNIGHT, maybe even DR. Strange. They even actually published a comic of "official" JL ripoffs without any feeling of ethics lol

2. Trinity - the archetypes/prototypes of major, if not the most influential, superhero images. Superman, WW and Batman. I don't think if any explanation even needed here, just a recognition that by not owning any character out of these significant three, would give rival company a well-understandable disadvantage. And while I disagree with that, it does feel like Marvel has little complex about it for reasons all well-known.

And that's why DC gets away with how often they rip off.

The subject is pretty interesting and I never even brought up any of DC sins, but all in all that might require some good understanding of both Golden and Silver ages of comics.

Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Galactus are the first three I thought of.