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    Heart of the Universe?

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    #1  Edited By One-Above-One-Above-All

    I have a question. Doesn't the HOTU possess the power of TOAA? If that's the case, then shouldn't it be more powerful then pre-retconned Beyonder and Molecule-Man
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    #2  Edited By frijolie

    I don't know much about alphabet soup, sorry :(

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    #3  Edited By One-Above-One-Above-All

    HOTU = Heart of the Universe 
    TOAA = The One-Above-All
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    #4  Edited By spawn devil

    Possibly, yet the tier does not include "Heart of the Universe" it includes "Thanos with the Heart of the Universe", so, let it be the power of TOAA  Thanos has yet to fully master it, after reaching mastery, then we can say he is above those 2, but, to point out a mistake, he was already above the living tribunal.
    I hope this answers your question, by the way, if you have any questions about abstract beings, don't hesitate to ask me, it's my speciality.

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    #5  Edited By One-Above-One-Above-All

    3 things: 
    1- So if the Heart of the Universe was just by itself, would it be alongside TOAA in the zeroth tier? 
    2- when did it say that Thanos never fully mastered the HTOU? i know he had difficulty in allowing his body to adjust to it, but I don't remember him or the comics saying anything about him not being in full control over it. im not disagreeing with you, im just trying to properly figure it out. 
    3- thanks, i'll keep that in mind =)
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    #6  Edited By spawn devil
    @One-Above-One-Above-All said:
    " 3 things: 1- So if the Heart of the Universe was just by itself, would it be alongside TOAA in the zeroth tier? 2- when did it say that Thanos never fully mastered the HTOU? i know he had difficulty in allowing his body to adjust to it, but I don't remember him or the comics saying anything about him not being in full control over it. im not disagreeing with you, im just trying to properly figure it out. 3- thanks, i'll keep that in mind =) "
    1. I think so. But it has yet to be found out if that was indeed all the power of TOAA, probably it was just the power necessary to fix the flaw in the universe. 
    2. Basically the same answer as above and I think someone put a scan in a thread about it where Thanos stated  " When I shall master this indescribable power, existence shall only be a simple microbe for me. " So, this is why I thought he never mastered it.
    3. Always here :)
    Also, I have a question of my own. Not that I am totally against it, but who moved Pre Retcon Beyonder in the same tier to TOAA?
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    #7  Edited By dewboy01

    the true source of an omnipotent force that those will easily overcome the cosmic defenders, even the living tribunal.
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