First Superman now Wonder Woman.

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#1 Edited by Teerack (4552 posts) - - Show Bio

So when Marvel NOW started they introduced a new Hyperion with the same powers and origin of Superman. Now I Just realized they also made their very own Wonder Woman.

Hippolyta

Now Hippolyta in DC is the queen of the amazons and Wonder Woman's mom. In Marvel she is still the amazon queen, and that fine by itself because greek lore is greek lore, BUT that's not all.

In Fearless Defenders she was brought back with some new powers. She has always had super strength, but one of her new powers is...

Flight

And I mean that's fine. Lots of characters can fly. It's not like she has on magical wrist guards she uses to reflect stuff....

... yeah starting to see what I mean?

Now what really made me realized that she's Marvel's Wonder Woman was this...

Her super hero name is WARRIOR WOMAN! I don't think they could have gotten any more obvious. It wouldn't surprise me if she turns out to have a magic lasso to.

#2 Edited by Kal'smahboi (3325 posts) - - Show Bio

...yeah, that's cutting it pretty close. Hard to defend that in this day and age.

#3 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack:

I hate ripoff characters! this would include:

doomsday

imperiex

shazam

hyperion

sentry

mr majestic

moon night

there are more that im forgetting

quicksilver

#4 Edited by ShadowX (1084 posts) - - Show Bio

To be fair Hippolyta has already existed in the marvel universe.. although not as long as wonder woman... She also has ties to noth norse and greek mythology.

And wouldnt the original marvel " wonder woman" character be Power Princess who appeared with the original Hyperion as a member of the Squadron Supreme, along with marvels parrell versions of other Dc heros, that was supposed to be an unofficial crossover between the two. And dc made copies of the fantastic four i think.

#5 Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose (5558 posts) - - Show Bio

The name seems a little lazy/unimaginative. It's like naming your character 'Soldier Man' or something.

#6 Posted by ShadowX (1084 posts) - - Show Bio

Also Flight is a pretty basic power. Also does bracelets are armor... lots of people armor....she is blocking somebody with her armor... i didnt know wonder woman had a copyright on armor..

#7 Posted by Teerack (4552 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowx said:

Also Flight is a pretty basic power. Also does bracelets are armor... lots of people armor....she is blocking somebody with her armor... i didnt know wonder woman had a copyright on armor..

Yeah flight is a basic power which is why I said that. I can see how you'd think that was true about the armor, because it probably should be true.... But it's not. I challenge you to find an armored heroes with bracers that have uses them ever.

#8 Posted by cameron83 (6416 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:

@shadowx said:

Also Flight is a pretty basic power. Also does bracelets are armor... lots of people armor....she is blocking somebody with her armor... i didnt know wonder woman had a copyright on armor..

Yeah flight is a basic power which is why I said that. I can see how you'd think that was true about the armor, because it probably should be true.... But it's not. I challenge you to find an armored heroes with bracers that have uses them ever.

doesn't batman use his....

and the ones on deathstroke's costume (well,we've never seen him use those,but point is that there are LOTS of other characters that have used the bracers to deflect attacks.Not just wonder woman.That's like saying any hero in armor is a ripoff of Iron Man,or that any hero that can fly is a ripoff of Superman....although I've always thought of Hippolyta as a WW ripoff).

#9 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

So?

#10 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4075 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@teerack:

I hate ripoff characters! this would include:

doomsday

imperiex

shazam

hyperion

sentry

mr majestic

moon night

there are more that im forgetting

quicksilver

And Deadpool...

#11 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (4712 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@teerack:

I hate ripoff characters! this would include:

doomsday

imperiex

shazam

hyperion

sentry

mr majestic

moon night

there are more that im forgetting

quicksilver

And Deadpool...

And Aquaman

#12 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4075 posts) - - Show Bio
#13 Posted by dmessmer (356 posts) - - Show Bio

No single detail marks her as a Wonder Woman ripoff, but collectively it's pretty obvious. Whenever either company does this it just strikes me as pointless - ripoff characters are never interesting until they do something to distinguish themselves as unique - so why not start with uniqueness? Artistically speaking, it's a terrible strategy.

Furthermore, as a Wonder Woman fan there's no way I'm going to buy a book featuring Warrior Woman due to my fondness for the original, so it doesn't even seem like a good marketing strategy either.

#14 Posted by Bogey (929 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel is getting desperate.

#15 Edited by Johnni_Kun (289 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc: If you hate "ripoff" characters, then there should be a lot more Marvel characters on that list.........

#16 Posted by Alak (875 posts) - - Show Bio

And they both hate Hercules.

#17 Posted by DH69 (4258 posts) - - Show Bio

Umm both characters have existed for almost 40 years

#18 Posted by Pokeysteve (7058 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow they didn't even bother to try with her.

@dh69 said:

Umm both characters have existed for almost 40 years

I hope you aren't talking about Wonder Woman who has been around since late 1941....

Little more than 40 years.

#19 Posted by DH69 (4258 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow they didn't even bother to try with her.

@dh69 said:

Umm both characters have existed for almost 40 years

I hope you aren't talking about Wonder Woman who has been around since late 1941....

Little more than 40 years.

no hippolyta and hyperion, i'm saying its a bit late to criticize these characters when they've been around for quite some time, and i was wrong hippolyta has been around since the 60's so thats 50+

#20 Edited by Veshark (8558 posts) - - Show Bio

*shrugs* Not overtly bothered by this.

Though on that note, the most-recent Hyperion is proving to be a very interesting character.

#21 Posted by Pokeysteve (7058 posts) - - Show Bio

@dh69 said:

@pokeysteve said:

Wow they didn't even bother to try with her.

@dh69 said:

Umm both characters have existed for almost 40 years

I hope you aren't talking about Wonder Woman who has been around since late 1941....

Little more than 40 years.

no hippolyta and hyperion, i'm saying its a bit late to criticize these characters when they've been around for quite some time, and i was wrong hippolyta has been around since the 60's so thats 50+

Lol ok just checking. The OP made it seem like her powers are new. Maybe she's an older character that got an update. A very unoriginal update.

#22 Posted by Pokeysteve (7058 posts) - - Show Bio

Won't be long now till we see 12 Wonder Woman vs Warrior Woman threads.

#23 Edited by lykopis (10756 posts) - - Show Bio

Not too enthusiastic about her, just seems a bit of over-kill in the Fearless Defenders title where you already have Valkyrie --

Meh. I did like the Age of Ultron book with her -- interesting. Plus, she's got some history which shores her up in terms of Amazonian mythos that I would be interested in seeing. I like mythology being used in comics although I would rather Marvel branch out into South-Asian lore.

Not feeling the blonde dreadlocks either.

Yeah, just meh for me on this one. As for being Wonder Woman's copy, definitely Power Princess like someone has already mentioned earlier in this thread. :)

#24 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27624 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc: Explain to me how Shazam is a rip off?

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#25 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Posted by Outside_85 (7154 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous said:

@sog7dc: Explain to me how Shazam is a rip off?

DC felt that a flying darkhaired man in a spangly outfit, a cape, a logo on his chest, with super strength, speed, durability and so on was too much... especially since Captain Marvel was selling something like 2 million copies a month, far more than Superman has ever done and DC couldn't have that. You can rip it off an fail just fine, but the hammer is coming down if you do it better.

That said, it's pretty obvious that Marvel is trolling the New 52 Wonder Woman by making their Hippolyta nearly identical powerwise and how she got those powers to the post COIE Wonder Woman.

That said, Marvels Hippolyta is less regal than DC's Hippolyta, more of a brigand than a queen.

#27 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27624 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous said:

@sog7dc: Explain to me how Shazam is a rip off?

DC felt that a flying darkhaired man in a spangly outfit, a cape, a logo on his chest, with super strength, speed, durability and so on was too much... especially since Captain Marvel was selling something like 2 million copies a month, far more than Superman has ever done and DC couldn't have that. You can rip it off an fail just fine, but the hammer is coming down if you do it better.

That said, it's pretty obvious that Marvel is trolling the New 52 Wonder Woman by making their Hippolyta nearly identical powerwise and how she got those powers to the post COIE Wonder Woman.

That said, Marvels Hippolyta is less regal than DC's Hippolyta, more of a brigand than a queen.

Even though Captain Marvel had all them power before superman did?

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#28 Edited by Outside_85 (7154 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: Back then, yeah, apparently there were a lot of other Superman-copies running around at the time and DC sued every single one of them, Fawsett and their Captain Marvel were just the biggest competitor.

#29 Posted by SupremeHyperion (1390 posts) - - Show Bio

these two companies (and smaller ones) have been modifying ideas for ever. Hell, Hyperion and the Squadron supreme were sort created in honor of the justice league. and Hyperion has been a play on the superman character without any hiding it (one I have always liked more).

If any marvel character is wonder woman it is Zarda (aka Power Princess)....... This has and will happen, why do we have to have people crying foul? Very few things are really that original now adays and even those things that seem as though they are can be traced back to something. it's life, people see something and then find ways to improve it or adapt it. I'm over it.

#30 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio
#31 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: He's superman minus heat vision and freeze breath plus magic. Total ripoff

#32 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27624 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous: He's superman minus heat vision and freeze breath plus magic. Total ripoff

Yet Captain Marvel had the "flying strong guy" powers before Superman did.

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#33 Posted by lilben42 (2487 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

#34 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous: He's superman minus heat vision and freeze breath plus magic. Total ripoff

Yet Captain Marvel had the "flying strong guy" powers before Superman did.

really care to prove that? im not calling you a liar or casting aspersions. but if im wrong id like to know so I don't go calling superman "the orginal superhero" or "the reason theyre called 'super' heroes"

#35 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27624 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous: He's superman minus heat vision and freeze breath plus magic. Total ripoff

Yet Captain Marvel had the "flying strong guy" powers before Superman did.

really care to prove that? im not calling you a liar or casting aspersions. but if im wrong id like to know so I don't go calling superman "the orginal superhero" or "the reason theyre called 'super' heroes"

Literately look it up anywhere on the internet, it's a pretty common fact. Namor could even fly before Superman.

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#36 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous:

I found this on the internet basically Marvel was a ripoff+ flight:

"DC got annoyed since it was basically a clone of superman + flight and sued them because they were gonna use superman as there big gun

ok exclude flight and lets go over what he copied

the boyscout charm- captain marvel copied

super strength- captain marvel copied

super speed- captain marvel copied

super durablity- captain marvel copied

super stamina- captain marvel copied

super senses- captain marvel copied

surviving in space- captain marvel copied

superman grows more powerful than guess what happens- captain marvel copied that

than theres flight- superman copied"

and this:

"Your missing what Valtot is saying, Superman was created first and then Captain Marvel arrived in 1939 and copied most of supermans power set, Captain Marvel looked and acted much like Superman did. Even if CM looks where roughly based on Fred MacMurry, they did copy supermans power set, which lead to a court case in 1948 which said that Captain Marvel was an infringement but DC had slipped up and not copy righted all of their Superman newpaper comics so the court ruled in favour of Fawcett but in 1952 Fawcett was found to be at fault as they had copied some of Supermans stories and Fawcett decided to settle out of court. So he was roughly based of Superman in the eyes of the law. So it was not because he was more popular it was more to do with several legal matters."

#37 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27624 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous:

I found this on the internet basically Marvel was a ripoff+ flight:

"DC got annoyed since it was basically a clone of superman + flight and sued them because they were gonna use superman as there big gun

ok exclude flight and lets go over what he copied

the boyscout charm- captain marvel copied

super strength- captain marvel copied

super speed- captain marvel copied

super durablity- captain marvel copied

super stamina- captain marvel copied

super senses- captain marvel copied

surviving in space- captain marvel copied

superman grows more powerful than guess what happens- captain marvel copied that

than theres flight- superman copied"

and this:

"Your missing what Valtot is saying, Superman was created first and then Captain Marvel arrived in 1939 and copied most of supermans power set, Captain Marvel looked and acted much like Superman did. Even if CM looks where roughly based on Fred MacMurry, they did copy supermans power set, which lead to a court case in 1948 which said that Captain Marvel was an infringement but DC had slipped up and not copy righted all of their Superman newpaper comics so the court ruled in favour of Fawcett but in 1952 Fawcett was found to be at fault as they had copied some of Supermans stories and Fawcett decided to settle out of court. So he was roughly based of Superman in the eyes of the law. So it was not because he was more popular it was more to do with several legal matters."

Superman wasn't a boyscout back then and as for everything else every super hero has them powers, is Hulk a rip off of Superman then?

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#38 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous:

I found this on the internet basically Marvel was a ripoff+ flight:

"DC got annoyed since it was basically a clone of superman + flight and sued them because they were gonna use superman as there big gun

ok exclude flight and lets go over what he copied

the boyscout charm- captain marvel copied

super strength- captain marvel copied

super speed- captain marvel copied

super durablity- captain marvel copied

super stamina- captain marvel copied

super senses- captain marvel copied

surviving in space- captain marvel copied

superman grows more powerful than guess what happens- captain marvel copied that

than theres flight- superman copied"

and this:

"Your missing what Valtot is saying, Superman was created first and then Captain Marvel arrived in 1939 and copied most of supermans power set, Captain Marvel looked and acted much like Superman did. Even if CM looks where roughly based on Fred MacMurry, they did copy supermans power set, which lead to a court case in 1948 which said that Captain Marvel was an infringement but DC had slipped up and not copy righted all of their Superman newpaper comics so the court ruled in favour of Fawcett but in 1952 Fawcett was found to be at fault as they had copied some of Supermans stories and Fawcett decided to settle out of court. So he was roughly based of Superman in the eyes of the law. So it was not because he was more popular it was more to do with several legal matters."

Superman wasn't a boyscout back then and as for everything else every super hero has them powers, is Hulk a rip off of Superman then?

1. no other heroes had those powers in 1939

2. superman came before marvel "leaping tall buildings in a single bound" then marvel comes along and says "I can do everything that guy can do only I can fly too"

3. marvel copied how he looks and how he acts

4. show me superman not being a boyscout back then im pretty sure he came out defending "truth justice and the American way" sounds pretty boyscoutish to me

5. hulk didn't come until 23 years later after marvel realized theyd get sued for blatant ripoffs so they had to be more creative. hulk has zero to do with this debate

#39 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (27624 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc: Superman didn't come out boyscout, he came out throwing woman beaters at walls

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#40 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio
#41 Edited by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (4712 posts) - - Show Bio
#42 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio
#43 Posted by SandMan_ (4526 posts) - - Show Bio

Is she banging Hyperion?

#44 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (4712 posts) - - Show Bio
#45 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@norrinboltagonprime21:

lol I was trolling. but id never heard of namor til this year. I assumed he was a ripoff of aquaman

#46 Posted by JJ62 (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc: Actually Namor came first, and Aquaman was meant to compete with him. Some would call Aquaman the ripoff.

#47 Posted by Cobalion (188 posts) - - Show Bio

Bumblebee is clearly a rip off of Wasp

Doom Patrol were originally a rip off of the Fantastic Four

Swamp thing is a rip off of Man thing

Black cat is a rip off of Catwoman (People think it, I dont)

People say Ms. marvel is a rip off of Supergirl.

People think X-23 is a Cassandra Cain rip off.

It happens in comics so get over it!


#48 Edited by PrinceIMC (5421 posts) - - Show Bio

I think they should have just made Athena into Marvel's Wonder Woman equivalent, they did great things with her in Hercules. Though I guess Athena is more of a manipulator, kind of a benevolent Loki.

#49 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (4465 posts) - - Show Bio

Get over guys. These kinda thing happens on a daily basis in he comic book industries. lol

#50 Posted by CrazyScarecrow (1019 posts) - - Show Bio

@cobalion: X-Men were a rip off of Doom Patrol. They had that "we don't fit with the rest" thing going on along with a wheel chair bond leader about like 3 months before Marvel released the X-Men

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