Does Marvel Publish Too Many Event Books?

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#151 Posted by playhouse (14 posts) - - Show Bio

I really would like at least a 5-year moratorium on events from Marvel.  I have no problem with events in one book having consequences throughout the rest of the universe so that it feels like a shared world.  But heroes all feel like they don't have a corner in their lives to call their own anymore.  And events have lost all meaning.  Used to be something to look forward to, seeing something company-wide meant it was huge and momentous.  Now, it just means it's November.  Or March.  Or July.
 
I'm not sure Marvel knows how to do anything non-event anymore.  Was kind of hoping with Alonso coming on as EIC, we'd see that mentality retired.  No such luck.  (And, no, Marvel is not alone in this.  DC has been doing events for the last few years too.  It's just that their events are dragged out even longer rather than Marvel's concept of shorter, stacked events.  I'll let you debate the merits of either approach.)

#152 Posted by Druid (104 posts) - - Show Bio

I am so sick of all these damn events. Actually the comic titles I've stuck with the most consistently over the years are those that are self-contained. It is easy to get sucked into the events, so I understand why Marvel uses them to boost sales, but it is also just as easy to get burned out on keeping up with what is happening.

#153 Posted by SpidermanWins (3963 posts) - - Show Bio

WE CAN'T KEEP UP. This sucks because we can only either choose one to stay on top of... or only get a few from each. I would just pick the one that has kept up good reviews or is the one starring the heroes you like most.

#154 Posted by PhoenixoftheTides (3629 posts) - - Show Bio

I like good stories, good art and consistency in the creative team. Big events don't provide any of those three factors. I now avoid most of them until they are published in a graphic novel at least, and only after reading whether anything really happened.

#155 Posted by Trodorne (2498 posts) - - Show Bio
@cody1984 said:

I'm sorry but the people on here buying all the books, then complaining about all the events marvel is pushing are hypocrites pure and simple. You are feeding what you consider a problem then complaining about that problem which makes you come off as schizophrenic since you hate the events yet you buy them up. Marvel is essentially looking at this and going..."okay people are complaining about the events yet they are buying them since are sales are still up. We could stop the big events but are sales would most likely drop so we will keep pushing big events since even though people are complaining about it they will buy the books."

If you all really wanted to get marvel to stop doing so many big events just boycott buying their comics that feature all of these events in them. When sales start dropping marvel will look to its marketing department and fans response and change tactics and not push a ton of events. In the meantime I wouldn't be getting angry about this or DC's reboot since there other comics out their besides the ones marvel and dc publish. Since I personally can't stand big events and don't like starting over from scratch throwing everything away I've been checking out other titles instead. I finally got around to picking up all the issues of the Boys and have got to say I really have enjoyed it so far. Hell I even started reading Vampirella a comic I never thought I would touch since I saw the movie (it was beyond horrible) and thought the comic would be terrible. Instead I've found it so far to be not bad from what I've read of the first 8 issues of the relaunch.

Anyway that's just my two cents for whatever its worth.

This has been the best answer that I have seen so far. 
 And its not just the events that are the problems as well. the main problem is the Tie-in issues that always come with these so called events. At least with Flashpoint dealing with an alternate reality I can see the use of Tie-ins. but all events should be SELF CONTAINED EVENTS! (tried to make it a large hint there for you marvel.) And because of this I have not bought into fear itself and just stick the the series I do read like ASM, and Hulk (I say Red that is), Boom! and Dynamite and Image are showing more promise in terms of comics that I follow. DC is mainly pulling me over.
#156 Posted by Shoe (62 posts) - - Show Bio

I love the "Big Events" style of storytelling.  why shouldnt marvel heroes all interact with one another.  I havent enjoyed comics this much since I was a naive child in the 90's and still thought I might develop super powers when I hit puberty!

#157 Posted by Knightwraithe (39 posts) - - Show Bio

Awesome article Babs... 
 
Actually to add on to your piece here... 
 
Marvel publishes too many books in general...and I know I am probably in the minority to think this...it just seems like Marvel publishes with the attitude of..."lets throw a  whole bunch of garbage out there...if it's got Wolverine or Deadpool or Spider-man in it people will buy it even if the story/art sucks".   
 
It seems like storytelling at Marvel is dead, and has been for a while.  I remember reading an old piece by Robert E Howard (the guy who created Conan for those who don't know) where he stated that when he wrote, it was like the character was telling him the story in his head (hopefully not a sign of pyschosis) and that he was just the means for the character to get his story out.  I was at a Wonder Con panel with a bunch of DC writers two years ago (side note...I had the opportunity to meet Babs that day - she is one of the nicest/coolest comic book people you can ever meet)...but I digress...the DC panel pointed out that when you are writing about iconic characters (like most comic book heroes are) that you should not be trying to tell YOUR story about the character...you should be telling the character's story. Marvel tells THEIR story, not the character's story.   
 
Am I the only person who was let down by the anti-climactic conclusions to Civil War or Secret Invasion?  
Am I the only one so disappointed by "Ultimatum" that I gave up the "Ultimate Comics Universe" for good because of it? (I used to love Ultimate - I appreciated it's "realism" - I even understood WHY Ultimatum happened - it just was done horribly)...Am I the only person who thought "Dark Reign" went WAAAY to long? (and it's conclusion was both overdramatic, and unsatisfying as well)...Am I wrong that the first "New Avengers" arc (which had such potential - especially with the introduction of the "Next Avengers" movie kids) had such potential but was also a let down? (I HATE covers that show something that doesn't actually happen in the book - as in the "fight" between Hulk and Thor)...It's made it hard to get excited about Marvel books in general, and a lot of Marvel "events" because I don't want to be disappointed again...(Though I'll admit "Fear Itself" has not disappointed - yet).
 
To me Marvel gave up continuity, story telling, and any actual respect for their characters a LONG time ago.  They publish stories to make money (which is not necessarily a bad thing because I do love a lot of Marvel characters and want them to stay in business) but to tell their characters' stories. This is part of why Marvel's characters act so inconsistently and out of character.  
 
It's why Marvel publishes so much stuff that is over the top dramatic (Marvel is the "Desperate Houswives" of comics). It seems like two and three times a year we get told "This event will shape the Marvel Universe (or this part of the Marvel Universe) for YEARS to come"...or at least for the next three months until the next "Event to shape the Marvel Universe for YEARS to come" gets hyped. 
 
I touched on it a moment ago...but Marvel really has become a cheap soap opera.  Almost all if it's characters have become so inconsistent - sometimes almost totally perverted - from their original concepts and ideals.  I was truly hoping that with the "Heroic Age" Marvel's characters (while still being realistic) would become HEROIC again - that instead of constant hype we would get good storytelling and great/inspiring stories...alas, that has not happened...and it seems that we will not have a "re-birth" of the "Marvel Age of Comics". 
 
And that is the real tragedy of so many events...the loss of our heroes.

#158 Edited by HexThis (924 posts) - - Show Bio

This is classic marketing-obsessed editorial thinking, if something works once then it must be repeated over and over again till it's reached sickening levels of redundancy. For example, this whole Schism malarkey with the X-men was introduced by Marvel with the preface that this division between teams would lead up to yet ANOTHER event that would allegedly REALLY change the face of the mutant race for all time....once again. Notice none of these things REALLY change much at all? We got 6 mutants kids after Second Coming, that's it.
 
The reason why House of M did so well was because it had the excitement of all the heroes coming together but also a really hefty and well thought-out structural and emotional foundation that ultimately helped it to really set sail...or "sale" rather.
 
Doesn't mean there needs to be an Alien Invasion and another mutant massacre and another mutant messiah and another damn collection of superheroes or this "Fear Itself" nonsense.

#159 Posted by sngoku0 (5 posts) - - Show Bio
@CombatSpoon86: Marvel does a ton of "Big Events" which can be a real challenge on the wallet and make fanboys such as myself feel cheated at times or lose interest in events that have no real impact.
#160 Posted by ozeol (497 posts) - - Show Bio

Well the best stories for the most popular characters have alrady been written. 
 
 I guess there is only that much the writers of today can come up with about characters who had been fleshed out fully over the span of 40 years of storytelling. 

 
I mean Marvel has its sales to keep up.  
Perhaps it is time to write some of the less popular characters up to their full potential and introduce them to a whole new audiance that would get to like them. This would probably not sell that great but the stories would be quality.

#161 Posted by CrimsonTempest (305 posts) - - Show Bio
@cody1984 said:

I'm sorry but the people on here buying all the books, then complaining about all the events marvel is pushing are hypocrites pure and simple. You are feeding what you consider a problem then complaining about that problem which makes you come off as schizophrenic since you hate the events yet you buy them up. Marvel is essentially looking at this and going..."okay people are complaining about the events yet they are buying them since are sales are still up. We could stop the big events but are sales would most likely drop so we will keep pushing big events since even though people are complaining about it they will buy the books."

If you all really wanted to get marvel to stop doing so many big events just boycott buying their comics that feature all of these events in them. When sales start dropping marvel will look to its marketing department and fans response and change tactics and not push a ton of events. In the meantime I wouldn't be getting angry about this or DC's reboot since there other comics out their besides the ones marvel and dc publish. Since I personally can't stand big events and don't like starting over from scratch throwing everything away I've been checking out other titles instead. I finally got around to picking up all the issues of the Boys and have got to say I really have enjoyed it so far. Hell I even started reading Vampirella a comic I never thought I would touch since I saw the movie (it was beyond horrible) and thought the comic would be terrible. Instead I've found it so far to be not bad from what I've read of the first 8 issues of the relaunch.

Anyway that's just my two cents for whatever its worth.

I haven't bought a Marvel event book since Civil War. My complaints are valid.
#162 Posted by RedHush (3 posts) - - Show Bio

personally thats y i stopped reading them

#163 Posted by They Killed Cap! (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes YEs ey==yes
#164 Posted by maelevikus (18 posts) - - Show Bio

This is the main reason I gave up on Marvel and DC a long time ago because everything started to revolve around these massive events. Everything got tied into something and in order to understand the story somehow you'd had to get different comics that explained what the hell happened and will happen afterwards. I still pick up a Marvel and a DC comic. Sporadically. If I like the cover and a I have an extra buck to spend. Sporadically. So for me it's Bye buy Marvel and Bye buy DC. Don't ever crap in my cereal and tell me it's chocolate. 

#165 Posted by 00 Raiser (441 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel has become virtually the equivalent of SPAM! I mean events are cool but damn Fear Itself. ROTFLMAO F-CKING GARBAGE! I mean the crossovers alone are just way to many and very mundane. I mean with Blackest Night as least most of the crossovers were important and held the interest of the reader, yes I can say that cause I have yet to hear a single person say Blackest Night was awful. Also marvel need to trim down its comic book roster. I mean how many freaking Avenger comics are there going to be. And Wolverine........ugh makes me puke just thinking about it.

#166 Posted by jadrendar (2 posts) - - Show Bio

I would love to read more marvel. but there seems to be no jumping on points, I know they did the .1 stuff but comics like Venom and Spiderman had more then one .1, I think if they lessened up on the events and made them mean more then more none marvel readers could jump on. I mean we basically know they are killing someone new every quarter at the end of an event. just seems they are more concerned with money than story telling.

#167 Edited by nick7913 (103 posts) - - Show Bio
@cody1984 
... and everybody else who keeps arguing that people who don't like the events should stop buying them to show Marvel that they don't like the direction they've taken: People have stopped buying them. This has already happened. Then when their favourite titles kept getting bogged down in event after event they dropped those, making for even lower sales and cancellations for many otherwise outstanding books. I've been faithfully keeping up with New Mutants but have been having storylines interrupted all the time and will probably drop it too. I used to buy 10-15 Marvel titles every month. I believe I'm now down to 5 or so. Readers are jumping ship and Marvel hasn't gotten the message.
 Events might outsell regular titles but have been declining in sales since Civil War and the only reason they do sell is because you honestly can't follow any story without having the status quo "changed" and then you have to buy tie-ins just to keep up. If Marvel would commit to a better policy they would have me back in a flash. Regrowing the non-fanatical readership will be harder and slower than losing it but it's worth it. It's probably time for Marvel to stop digging itself into a hole and start trying to climb out of it. If they still can.
#168 Posted by frogjitsu (477 posts) - - Show Bio

The thing I hate about event books, is that I tend to want to follow the whole story, buying as many of the tie-ins as possible, therefore, as they increase the number of events, and the number of books that tie in to them, I simply don't have time to read them all, so if my comic book pile at home starts piling up, I end up stop following the comics that have multiple issues I haven't read.  The way I see it, I'm not going to continue to buy what I don't read.  
 
Because of this, I dropped all Avengers titles around Fear Itself, and haven't come back, because I can't keep up.  And I hate this feeling that I'm missing something that's going on in the Marvel Universe, because I love those characters, but when I have an ever increasing pile of comics that I can't keep up with then something has to go.

#169 Posted by cody1984 (1277 posts) - - Show Bio

@nick7913 said:

@cody1984 ... and everybody else who keeps arguing that people who don't like the events should stop buying them to show Marvel that they don't like the direction they've taken: People have stopped buying them. This has already happened. Then when their favourite titles kept getting bogged down in event after event they dropped those, making for even lower sales and cancellations for many otherwise outstanding books. I've been faithfully keeping up with New Mutants but have been having storylines interrupted all the time and will probably drop it too. I used to buy 10-15 Marvel titles every month. I believe I'm now down to 5 or so. Readers are jumping ship and Marvel hasn't gotten the message. Events might outsell regular titles but have been declining in sales since Civil War and the only reason they do sell is because you honestly can't follow any story without having the status quo "changed" and then you have to buy tie-ins just to keep up. If Marvel would commit to a better policy they would have me back in a flash. Regrowing the non-fanatical readership will be harder and slower than losing it but it's worth it. It's probably time for Marvel to stop digging itself into a hole and start trying to climb out of it. If they still can.

I'm sorry but I got to disagree with you about people not buying the titles featuring big events. The sales numbers maybe lower right now then they were for civil war I don't follow comic book sales numbers so I can't verify if your right or wrong about that. Yet my point is I've read posts on here by people who are buying the main event books and the tie ins and still complaining about the "big events" so my critism of them is valid. If you dropped the titles completely or wait until the tie ins are finished then return to the series than obviously my response doesn't apply to you or anyone who does the same. Now you are write that this does kill a lot of peoples favorite titles for you it is new mutants for me it was the Punisher's 616 series after Ennis left...luckily The Punisher's MAX title was (and still is) around so this wasn't a problem for me and other Punisher fans if the main series gets dropped. For others though it definetly is a major problem and I do get why people are frustrated. As far as the reason behind the events being changing the status quo I really do view that as nonsense since the status quo after the events is still maintained. Only an event like Ultimatum really changed the status quo since it killed off a ton of characters altering the ultimate universe completely. Also I got to ask do we really want the status quo changed for certain characters? Marvel tried this with the Punisher twice and it was ...how should I say...not received well by fans. Anyway, if sales keep on dropping for big events marvel will have to eventually stop doing so many of them or go out of business.

#170 Posted by darksoul7th (206 posts) - - Show Bio

too many yes, most even i can't keep up

#171 Posted by daredeville (84 posts) - - Show Bio

FIFTEEN Marvel Events in 2010...? Yikes...! I can only remember a few or them... Siege, Shadowland, Chaos War... was Age of X 2010..? Second Coming was, right..? I think that's all I've got. Does Widowmaker count..? I read Siege, Second Coming, Shadowland, and Widowmaker. The best of them was definitely Second Coming, but Siege was entertaining more or less. Widowmaker was a pretty good story, but Shadowland was pretty much crap. It just didn't fit. It made too big a leap from Matt's slow decent into madness to all of a sudden he's leading the Hand (which was fine), killing Bullseye (still bought that – the guy killed two of the loves of his life), but sitting on a throne and lording over Hell's Kitchen in a big dojo.. just didn't feel like it made sense. I much more believe Matt trying to simply look on the bright side of life in Waid's new book than the whole dojo thing. It didn't fit for Matt.

At any rate, I generally avoid all the tie-in books and stick with my self-contained character-driven books. I do pick up the main event series usually to check it out, and have been pretty satisfied with the big ones (Civil War, Siege, Fear Itself), but was very underwhelmed with Secret Invasion, especially the tie-ins they were awful stories. The exception through all of these for me was the Dan Slott/Christos Gage books Avengers Initiative to Mighty Avengers to Avengers Academy. They addressed the big events, but were always primarily about character development. They found the balance and I believe, lifted the quality of the over-arching event to greater heights. And the most interesting thing about that is that they mostly comprised brand new characters, or more B-tier, but were always the best Avengers books. I liked the characters so much from Slott & Gage's books that I've been picking up both FI: Frontline and FI: Youth in Revolt since the stories featured. If you don't read Avengers Academy, I highly recommend it. When New Avengers started again in the Heroic Age, I skipped that one, then with the Fear Itself tie-ins I put down Avengers proper, but kept buying Secret Avengers and Avengers Academy. I can't quite tell you what Secret has been up to during the event, but I could tell you in great passionate detail all about what the kids went through going to war in Avengers Academy. If you still don't believe me, Slott and Gage made me care about Speedball and Tigra..! Two characters I couldn't give a rip about before reading them in these books.

As to the larger question, yes, I am tired of the constant events. But I also ignore the ones I'm not interested in, and pick up the ones I am. I don't pick up ancillary books that aren't a part of the primary storylines (like Bab's mention of the Uncanny X-Force Fear Itself mini), just continue reading the main book, or reading the ones only if they get involved. Some writers do it right – Gage, Fraction – or avoid it all together, and that's great too. I think that's what has been nice about Fear Itself is it doesn't feel mandatory to read the extra stuff, and I certainly don't pick up anything I don't want to.

#172 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (6028 posts) - - Show Bio

I definitely agree that there are way too many events in the Marvel Universe. I really miss the character driven stories that Marvel used to give out because if a major event did happen, then at least we would know how the character reacts to the situation. Probably the biggest problem I had with Marvel doing so many events was when there were too many events for the X-Men and there wasn't enough time to develop the characters. For example, during Schism, Wolverine sort of acted out of character about not letting Idie fight the Hellfire Club Kids and then suddenly, he is starting a new school and is the headmaster. This was a bit too odd for me because the past X-Men books never mentioned about Wolverine ever wanting to be a headmaster of a school and this just seems like a way for Marvel to just make a series about Wolverine entitled "Wolverine and the X-Men" because Wolverine is such a popular character, but I don't think it was necessary for Marvel to give Wolverine his own book. I think Marvel should have hook up Wolverine's adventures at the new school in Uncanny X-Men.

I like events as long as there is only one event per year and the event has to actually change the characters' lives and how they look at life after that event instead of just putting out some random event every year and not think of it ever again.

#173 Posted by Lukassrod (30 posts) - - Show Bio

Every story that is good is a worth sale for me

#174 Posted by mitchelmurphy (27 posts) - - Show Bio

Dark Reign ended too soon. That's my answer

#175 Posted by chasereis (794 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually don't mind the events or crossovers when they first started in the late eighties, but now the events are largely unreadable due to being across 60+ books by 30+ writers and artists. It just breaks the rhythm and flow of the story and makes it unreadable. Let's get to a practical business model please publishers, because you have completionists out there who want the full effect of the event or crossover don't make it more expensive than a Acura NSX payment. Please?

#176 Posted by CaptainMarvel4Ever (4963 posts) - - Show Bio

I am from the future, and I can defiantly say yes, it only gets worse before it gets better (assuming it will get better).

#177 Edited by GhostRider88 (110 posts) - - Show Bio

Event books.. You mean cross over events? Not really, it's usually 1 a year but sometimes 2. Here's a list of ALL Marvel crossover events since 1980-

Contest of Champions1982Limited SeriesThe Grandmaster and Death manipulate the heroes of Earth in a game to decide the fate of The Collector. (Contest of Champions #1–3 June 1982).[2]
Casket of Ancient Winters1984CrossoverSnow falls all over Earth as a prelude to Surtur's attack. Thor (Volume 1) 346-350, Avengers (Volume 1) 249
Wraith War1984-1985CrossoverAvengers #244-245, Incredible Hulk #296, Uncanny X-Men #185-188, ROM #52-65
Secret Wars1984–1985Limited SeriesThe Beyonder kidnaps selected heroes and villains of Earth to battle on a planet of his creation. Spider-Man finds his Symbiote costume. Doctor Doom steal the powers of the Beyonder, becoming almost god-like in the process, but is ultimately defeated by the assembled heroes. (Secret Wars #1-12, May 1984-April 1985).[3]
Secret Wars II1985–1986EventThe Beyonder heads to Earth in a bid to understand humanity, creating a human form for himself in the process.
Mutant Massacre1986CrossoverPrimarily involving the superhero teams the X-Men, X-Factor and the New Mutants. Power Pack, Thor, and Daredevil crossed over for an issue in their own comic books.
Fall of the Mutants1988CrossoverThe X-Men are slain in Dallas during a cataclysmic battle against the Adversary. Cypher (of the New Mutants) dies battling the Ani-Mator. X-Factor (the original X-Men) battles Apocalypse and his Four Horsemen. (The New Mutants #59-61, The Uncanny X-Men #225-227, X-Factor #24-26, Captain America #339, Daredevil #252, Fantastic Four #312, The Incredible Hulk #340, Power Pack #35, starting January 1988).
The Evolutionary War1988CrossoverThe High Evolutionary unleashes attacks all over the world to guide the way of human evolution. (Eleven part crossover starting in X-Factor Annual #3,including The Punisher Annual #1, The Uncanny X-Men Annual #12 and concluding in The Avengers Annual #17, September 1988).[4]
Inferno1988–1989CrossoverDemons from Limbo invade earth.
Atlantis Attacks1989CrossoverUnder the influence of Set the Serpent God, the Atlanteans launch a massive assault on the surface world.
Acts of Vengeance1989–1990CrossoverLoki unites Doctor Doom, Magneto, Kingpin, Mandarin, Wizard, and Red Skull in a plot to use lesser enemies to defeat the superheroes that aren't their usual enemies. (Story arc begins in Avengers Spotlight #26, December1989).[5]
X-Tinction Agenda1990–1991CrossoverThe New Mutants and the X-Men are kidnapped and taken to Genosha, which culminates in their escape; the Genoshan government is overthrown. (Story arc begins in The Uncanny X-Men #270, November 1990).
Muir Island Saga1991CrossoverA five-part Marvel Comics crossover event involving the X-Men and X-Factor, published in 1991. It was written by Chris Claremont and Fabian Nicieza. Leads to a change of teams.
The Infinity Gauntlet1991EventThanos uses the power of the Infinity Gems to become Supreme Being. Involves all Marvel heroes. (The Infinity Gauntlet #1-6, July–December 1991).[6]
Operation: Galactic Storm1992CrossoverThe Avengers become involved in a war between the Kree and the Shi'ar. (Captain America #398-401, Avengers West Coast #80-82, Quasar #32-36, Wonder Man #7-9, Avengers #345-347, Iron Man #278-279, Thor #445-446).[7][8]
Infinity War1992EventMagus, Adam Warlock's "Evil Side", creates evil doppelgangers of Earth's heroes to gain ultimate power.
X-Cutioner's Song1992–1993CrossoverStryfe arrives in the present to take vengeance against Cable & the X-Men by capturing his parents Cyclops and Jean Grey. The Legacy Virus is released during its epilogue. (Story arc begins in The Uncanny X-Men #294, November 1992).
Infinity Crusade1993EventGoddess, Adam Warlock's "Good Side", recruits an army of heroes to fight her holy war. Thanos and Adam Warlock unite to stop her.
Fatal Attractions
Bloodties
1993
1993
CrossoverMagneto returns more powerful and determined than ever, ripping the adamantium from Wolverine's bones and enraging Professor X. Colossus defects to Magneto's side. (Story arc begins in X-Factor #92, July 1993).
It details the fallout from Charles Xavier's infamous mindwipe of Magneto and Magneto's ultimate defeat.
Mys-Tech War1993CrossoverMys-Tech create a duplicate voodoo version of Earth called Unearth in a bid to take control of the planet while coordinating a demonic invasion. While Earth's mightiest heroes (including a majority of the Avengers, Fantastic Four, and X-Men, as well as Spider-Man, Ghost Rider, and Nick Fury) fighting the invasion with crossover books including Warheads, Motormouth, Dark Angel and Death's Head.
Child's Play1994Crossover"Child's Play" is a 1994 Marvel Comics crossover featuring the New Warriors, X-Force, and the Upstarts. It is also the first time Karma reunites with the New Mutants since she left the team in New Mutants #54 from 1987.
Phalanx Covenant1994CrossoverThe Phalanx race attacks Earth. Generation X is founded in its aftermath.
Legion Quest
Age of Apocalypse
1995–1996CrossoverLegion travels back in time to kill Magneto, but accidentally kills his own father, Charles Xavier.
A dystopian alternative timeline in which Apocalypse rules the world is created after Legion inadvertedly killed his own father. (Story arc begins in X-Men Alpha, February 1995).[9]
Onslaught Saga1996CrossoverThe seed was planted when Xavier mind-wiped Magneto during Fatal Attractions, and he was born by the time warp of the Age of Apocalypse. Onslaught has arrived and defeating him results in the apparent "deaths" of many superheroes. (X-Men #53, June 1996, Onslaught: X-Men Special, August 1996, Onslaught: Marvel Universe, October 1996).[10] Leads to a relaunch of Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Captain America and Avengers.
Heroes Return1997-1998CrossoverThe heroes who died during the "Onslaught Saga" return from a Limbo created by Franklin Richards. (Heroes Reborn: The Return #1-4, November 1997).[11] Leads to a new relaunch of Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Captain America, Avengers and Thor.
Operation: Zero Tolerance1997CrossoverThe story followed from the "Onslaught Saga" and focused on individuals within the United States government, including Bastion and Henry Peter Gyrich, and their attempts to use their positions to hunt down all mutants across the country.
The Hunt for Xavier1998–1999CrossoverThe X-Men attempt to find the location of Professor Xavier, who has been missing ever since the authorities arrested him in the wake of the "Onslaught Saga" disaster.
The Magneto War1999CrossoverThe charismatic, mutant, subversive known as Magneto is given the island-nation of Genosha to appease his plans for the advancement of Homo Superior. With his rise to power will Magneto tolerate a faction of mutate rebels within his own borders and how will he deal with the humans also living within his new island nation?
The Twelve2000CrossoverApocalypse emerges once more, along with a mysterious prophecy of 12 powerful mutants capable of destroying him. The story carries on into the Ages of Apocalypse arc.
Maximum Security2000–2001CrossoverFed up with Earth's interference in intergalactic affairs, the starfaring alien community quarantines the Sol System and turns Earth into a prison for the universe's worst criminals.
Eve of Destruction2001CrossoverA cure for the Legacy Virus has been released, providing Magneto with a brand new army of healthy mutants ready to wage a final battle against humanity. Finale to the more traditionalist, old-school X-Men storylines. Leads to a reorganization of the X-Men titles.
Infinity Abyss2002Limited SeriesMad partial-clones of Thanos try to destroy the universe.
Avengers Disassembled2004CrossoverScarlet Witch uses her powers to attack the Avengers physically and psychologically, resulting on the Avengers to disband, setting the stage for the franchise being relaunched as "New Avengers". (Main story arc in Avengers #500-503, Avengers Finale, September–December 2004.).[12] Meanwhile Thor brings about the end of Asgard. (Thor #80-85, 2004).[13] Leads to a cancellation and relaunch of Avengers titles.
House of M2005EventScarlet Witch uses her powers to create a world in which mutants are in charge but ultimately resulting in the population of the world's mutants being brought to near extinction. (Main story arc in House of M #1-8).[14]
Annihilation2006–2007EventSilver Surfer, Super-Skrull, Nova, and Ronan face the Annihilation Wave.
Civil War2006–2007EventHeroes are divided when the U.S. government passes the Super-human Registration Act. Captain America seeks freedom, while Iron Man seeks to institute the 50 State Initiative. (Main story arc in Civil War #1-7, July 2006-January 2007).[15] Major events in the saga include Peter Parker's revealing his identity to the public (Civil War #2, August 2006)[15] and Captain America's death (Captain America #25, 2007).[16] Leads to a number of new launches.
  • Initiative: With Captain America dead, the world moves on under a single united team, the Fifty States Initiative. Unfortunately, Luke Cage leads a renegade team of Avengers against Iron Man while Norman Osborn and the Skrulls lurk under the surface of Iron Man's new order.
World War Hulk2007EventFollowing his exile into space (New Avengers Illuminati One-Shot, 2006),[17] The Hulk returns to Earth to exact revenge on those responsible. (World War Hulk #1, August 2007).[18]
  • World War Hulk : Aftersmash: The events following World War Hulk.
Annihilation: Conquest2007–2008EventAfter the devastation of the wake of the Annihilation Wave, Nova, Starlord, Wraith, & a new Quasar (Phyla-Vell) lead a group of cosmic heroes against the Phalanx, who threaten to conquer and annihilate all of Kree space.
Messiah CompleX2007–2008CrossoverThe birth of the first child with the X-gene since Decimation sparks a race between the X-Men, the Marauders, the Acolytes, the Reavers, the Purifiers, and Predator X to see who will find the child first. Bishop turns rogue in an attempt to assassinate the child who he believes will cause his dystopian future to occur.
Secret Invasion2008EventA stealthy invasion by the Skrull race comes to fruition, as the New Avengers and Mighty Avengers and Thunderbolts must unite to stop the villains. (Main story arc in Secret Invasion #1-8, June 2008-January 2009).[19]
  • Dark Reign: The world of heroes is in its darkest period. Norman Osborn is now the leader of S.H.I.E.L.D., rebranded H.A.M.M.E.R. and formed his own dark cabal with Emma Frost, the Hood, Namor, Doctor Doom, Loki, and the Void to control the world and steal the Avengers name from the team, with the creation of the Dark Avengers. Iron Man faces the consequences of his crimes during Civil War, as he becomes a wanted fugitive and near death. Meanwhile, Hank Pym forms his own team of Avengers to combat Norman Osborn while the Hood assumes control over the Avengers Initiative.
War of Kings2009CrossoverVulcan is rapidly expanding the Shi'ar Empire, while Black Bolt and the Inhumans become leaders of the Kree empire following the events of "Secret Invasion", and a cosmic war begins, drawing in Nova, Darkhawk, the Starjammers, and the Guardians of the Galaxy.
Messiah War2009CrossoverLearning that Bishop was after Cable and the first mutant born since House of M, Cyclops had Beast develop time travelling devices so Cyclops could send his secret wetworks team, X-Force (consisting of Wolverine, Warpath, X-23, Domino, Vanisher, Archangel and Elixir), into the future after Bishop, hoping that they'll end the threat once and for all and the future of mutant kind will be safe in the hands of his son.
Utopia2009CrossoverNorman Osborn forms the "Dark X-Men" to deal with anti-mutant riots and captures/tortures Beast and Professor X. Unwilling to tolerate Osborn's evil scheme to harm her teammates, Emma Frost and Namor, the Sub-Mariner, plot a coup against Osborn while Cyclops attempts to create a new safehaven for mutantkind by way of creating an island paradise.
Necrosha2009–2010CrossoverThe once Black Queen of the Hellfire Club brings forth a new Inner Circle of deadly mutants as well as a new threat to the entire mutant population as she sets her plan into motion of becoming a goddess.
Fall of the Hulks2009–2010CrossoverThe smartest minds in the Marvel Universe are being captured by a group known only as the Intelligencia which is a collection of some of the smartest supervillains in the Marvel canon.
Siege2010EventIn the aftermath of "Dark Reign", Norman Osborn invades Asgard.
  • Heroic Age: Norman Osborn has finally been overthrown, and the heroes can now bask in the sun - for now.
Realm of Kings2010CrossoverThe follow-up to "War of Kings".
Second Coming2010Crossover"Second Coming" was the final part of a trilogy of stories that began with Messiah Complex and continued in Messiah War. Intended as a conclusion to Cable's efforts to save Hope from Bishop, who has hunted the so-called Mutant Messiah since her birth; the series also builds on the Utopia, Nation X and Necrosha storylines of 2009 in the X-Men books. The story centers on the return of Cable and Hope Summers to the present day and Bastion's final campaign to destroy the X-Men. Leads to a number of new launches.
The Thanos Imperative2010EventThe follow-up to "Realm of Kings". Known for featuring the deaths of Richard Rider, Star-Lord, and Thanos.
World War Hulks2010CrossoverThe follow-up to Fall of the Hulks. The plan of the Intelligencia is put in action plus the identities of the Red Hulk and Red She-Hulk are finally revealed.
Curse of the Mutants2010CrossoverVampires from around the globe descend on San Francisco to claim the city as their own, causing the X-Men and Blade to team up to stop them.
Shadowland2010EventA prison-temple is constructed on the ruins of a Hell's Kitchen building, destroyed (along with numerous lives) by Bullseye during the Dark Reign event. Murdock returns to Hell's Kitchen from Japan and seeks to utilise the Hand as a force for justice; however, Murdock is not the same person anymore.
Chaos War2010–2011EventThe Chaos King Amatsu-Mikaboshi, the living embodiment of the void before time and space began, has chosen to annihilate all reality and to return the Marvel Universe back to its state of primordial darkness, thus launching a massive assault on Earth to wipe out all of existence with an army of thousands of alien deities at his back. This forces the remaining heroes, gods and cosmic beings, rallied by a restored Hercules, to join forces in a last desperate effort to stop him.
Age of X2011CrossoverReality has changed, the Earth-616 was replaced by a world where the X-Men never came to be, mutantkind has been hunted to extinction, the few remaining mutants band together to make their last stand.
Fear Itself2011EventThe Asgardian God of Fear is sowing fear and doubt among Marvel's Superheroes to use it against them.
Schism2011EventAfter a mutant-triggered international incident, anti-mutant hatred hits new heights. It's at this moment, when the mutant race needs most to stand together, that a split begins that tears apart the X-Men.
Spider-Island2011CrossoverThe Jackal has given to every New Yorker spider-like powers, even heroes and villains.
Dying Wish2012Story ArcDoctor Octopus finally fulfils his lifelong dream of killing Spider-Man. This story arc ends 'The Amazing Spider-Man.'
  • The Superior Spider-Man: Peter Parker is dead, and Otto Octavius has taken up Spider-Man's mantle. Now he is determined to be a better person that he and Peter ever were. But his actions will result in all of New York being afraid of the once-beloved hero and cause the rise of the Green Goblin.
Avengers vs. X-Men2012EventAftermath of the mini series Avengers: X-Sanction, which brings back Cable to the Marvel Universe ahead of the Phoenix Force which has been discovered heading directly for Earth. The Avengers believe that the Phoenix Force will destroy mankind, but the Uncanny X-Men believe it will bring mutantkind to its former glory after House of M. Only a war can create a win-win solution - though in the process, Professor X will die.
  • Marvel NOW!: A number of re-launches follows AvX, and each were branded under the name "Marvel NOW!".
Age of Ultron2013EventFor years, Marvel Heroes feared that Hank Pym's artificial intelligence Ultron will one day return and exterminate everything. That day has come, and the fate of the world now rests in the hands of Wolverine and Invisible Woman.
Infinity2013EventWhile the Avengers are in space to combat the Builders, Thanos attacks a now-very vulnerable Earth.
  • Inhumanity The Marvel Universe must deal with the consequences of Infinity as brand new Inhumans are created due to Black Bolt releasing the Terrigen Mists on a global scale.
  • All-New Marvel NOW!: Further relaunches came about following Infinity and simultaneous with Inhumanity; all were released under the name All-New Marvel NOW!
Battle of the Atom2013CrossoverThe X-Men of the future travel to the present in order to force the All-New X-Men back to their own time, but things get complicated when another group of future X-Men arrives.
The Trial of Jean Grey2014CrossoverThe Guardians of the Galaxy and the All-New X-Men must team up to save Jean Grey after the capture and trial of her by the Shi'ar empire for her supposed crimes as the Phoenix.
Goblin Nation2014CrossoverThe Superior Spider-Man faces his final challenge as he faces off against the Goblin King and his goblin army.
  • The Amazing Spider-Man: The Amazing Spider-Man returns as Peter Parker reclaims his body and his life after the events of Goblin Nation.
Revolutionary War2014CrossoverThe UK’s greatest heroes come together to face a threat that could destroy the world.
Original Sin2014EventUatu the Watcher has been murdered. Nick Fury must now lead the Marvel heroes into uncovering the mystery of who killed the Watcher and why as Marvel's deepest darkest secrets are unleashed. But Punisher is leading his own investigation, and that can't end well.
  • Avengers NOW! A new initiative set after the events of Original Sin showing Bucky's new role as Man on the Wall, Thor becoming unworthy of holding his hammer, Angela in her new role as sister of Thor and a new Deathlok.
Death of Wolverine2014EventWithout the aid of his healing factor, Wolverine fights a losing battle to the death as he looks back on his life. The mini series is proceeded by Three Months to Die in Wolverine vol. 6 #8-12 and involves numerous aftermath tie ins.
AXIS2014EventFrom the ashes of the once proud mutant haven Genosha, an evil power rises. Exploiting the limitless gifts of the world’s greatest telepath Charles Xavier, the Red Skull has enslaved thousands, amassed an army and now broadcasts his message of hate across the world. Channeling the unstoppable force known as Onslaught, the Red Skull’s ruthless and unparalleled evil now wields a destructive power unmatched by even the most powerful heroes.

The fractured teams of Avengers and X-Men are now all that stands in the way of total obliteration. Earth’s last hope now hinges on the fragile alliance of these two estranged teams. In the shadows of the Red Supremacy, can they fight as one? Even united, they may not be enough to stem the coming darkness. And if they fall, all hope is lost.

The March to AXIS begins this September in Uncanny Avengers #24, Captain America #24, Magneto #9 and Loki: Agent of Asgard #6

Spider-Verse2014EventMorlun has escaped the realm of the dead following being trapped there by the Black Panther. Now, every Spider-Man in the entire Multiverse must stand together to defeat the only villain Spider-Man himself never defeated.
#178 Posted by Moonlighterstone (355 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh yes, TOOOOO many.

#179 Posted by GhostRider88 (110 posts) - - Show Bio
#180 Edited by Sky_Fire (138 posts) - - Show Bio

TOO MANY damn books.

#181 Posted by dagmar_merrill (10276 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes

#182 Posted by Magnetic_Eye (371 posts) - - Show Bio

It's total saturation with way too many events and crossovers. Would prefer good quality self-contained books instead.

"Fear Itself" and "AvX" were the last two events I bought. I'm over the whole heroes fighting heroes in yet another soap operatic non-event. As boring as watching paint dry and just too fatigued and budget conscious to keep up with it all. The quality of writing is also sub-standard.

#183 Edited by Starr (89 posts) - - Show Bio

TOO many and most of them are crap lol

#184 Posted by Fabulosity (148 posts) - - Show Bio

Seriously yes. Too much too much too much and only a few of them are fabulous to read.

#185 Posted by batmite1995 (212 posts) - - Show Bio

Ugh marvel just keeps releasing events like spam.seriously stop!

#186 Edited by PurePleazure4u (59 posts) - - Show Bio

Ridiculously too many.

#187 Edited by Cutter (970 posts) - - Show Bio

Too many is good lol...

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