The 8 smartest men in the marvel U include the following in order: 1. Reed Richards- respectedany most as the smartest man in the world and master of all feilds of science, particularly cosmic radiation and antimatter physics (negative zone) 2. Dr. Doom- Some may say that Doom is the evil intellectual counterpart to Richards in all fields of science, however, Doom has also perfected a field that many would dare claim as science, dark magic. Although Pym has stated that "Magic is just science that I have yet to figure out." Doom is also a genius in the fields of robotics and energy absorption/manipulation. 3. Hank Pym- dubbed as the scientist supreme, Pym is the leading man in the fields of biocybernetics (ultron), bio-particle physics, and multi dimensional physics (Pym particles/micro- and macroverses) 4. Bruce Banner- always portrayed to be a master of radiation biophysics, particularly high frequency gamma rays absorption; as of late, Banner has been shown to also be a master of many other fields of science ranging from technology (force fields/teleportation) to genetics (cellular manipulation of his own DNA to control the Hulk). We also see in Fall of the Hulks story arc that Banner is a master strategist. 5. Tony Stark- always seen as the leading innovator of all things tech, Stark is particularly known for his works in weaponry and being a master at futurism, the ability to predict future problems and develop solutions before they even present themselves. However, after the civil war and secret invasion, we come to realize that Starks genius is best served on the circuit boards. 6. T'Challa- the ruler of a long standing civilization untainted by the modern world and yet generations more advanced due to their isolation from the world around, allowing them to grow unhindered by most worldly conflict, T'Challa is known for his mastery of all sciences from weapons and defense technology to medicine and even magic. The science and technology of T'Challa and his people has always been right on par or even beyond that of Richards, Stark, and Doom. 7. Amadeus Cho- noted many times over as being the 7th smartest person alive, Cho's primary genius comes from his uncanny ability to process seemingly infinite volumes of data in short periods of time using highly advanced mathematics and physics all in his head. This allows Cho to perform physical tasks with pinpoint accuracy in a matter of seconds, as well as finding recognizable patterns in otherwise random amounts of vast data and decipher them into comprehendible meanings (deciphering alien languages/Comparing energy fluctuation readings of magical beings such as Loki). This ability of Cho to use his brain as a "supercomputer" uniquely distinguishes him from all the other members of the Intelligencia. 8. Hank McCoy: one of the founding members of the X-Men, Hank is steps above many of the other members of this group in the fields of genetics and medicine, as well as mattering many other fields of science such as time travel. As far as I know, McCoys genious is not a manifestation of his X-gene, which makes him one of the top 8 smartest men on earth un-aided by genetics, radiation, and/or cosmic entities. There are others worth noting however, many of these have either been altered in some way, are alien to earth, or are comic/ godlike entities. Dr. Samson-Psychiatry M.O.D.O.K.-genetics The Leader-Radiation The Tinkerer-weaponry/tech The Mad Thinker-strategy/schemes High Evolutionary-genetics Mr. Sinister-genetics Charles Xavier-neuroscience/psychology/tech Dr. Nemesis-physiology Prodigy-many fields Cypher-technology/code Forge-technology Noh-Varr-technology Arnim Zola-genetics These all these men represent to me, the smartest men on earth. What do you think?

Hmm, interesting list. Is this your list or an official list?

So basically the list is saying that if your smart your probably going to be a superhero (or villain).

It also seems the list is also saying that women pale in comparison to the intelligence of men. Really Marvel is sexist. Can anyone think of any women who could be counted?

Technically I think Dark Beast belongs on the list too since he's in the 616, perhaps tied with Beast. Unless he doesn't count because he's from another universe....

Edgeworth_11 is right. You should try separating like this.

The 8 smartest men in the marvel U include the following in order:

1. Reed Richards- respected any most as the smartest man in the world and master of all feilds of science, particularly cosmic radiation and antimatter physics (negative zone)
2. Dr. Doom- Some may say that Doom is the evil intellectual counterpart to Richards in all fields of science, however, Doom has also perfected a field that many would dare claim as science, dark magic. Although Pym has stated that "Magic is just science that I have yet to figure out." Doom is also a genius in the fields of robotics and energy absorption/manipulation.
3. Hank Pym- dubbed as the scientist supreme, Pym is the leading man in the fields of biocybernetics (ultron), bio-particle physics, and multi dimensional physics (Pym particles/micro- and macroverses)
4. Bruce Banner- always portrayed to be a master of radiation biophysics, particularly high frequency gamma rays absorption; as of late, Banner has been shown to also be a master of many other fields of science ranging from technology (force fields/teleportation) to genetics (cellular manipulation of his own DNA to control the Hulk). We also see in Fall of the Hulks story arc that Banner is a master strategist.
5. Tony Stark- always seen as the leading innovator of all things tech, Stark is particularly known for his works in weaponry and being a master at futurism, the ability to predict future problems and develop solutions before they even present themselves. However, after the civil war and secret invasion, we come to realize that Starks genius is best served on the circuit boards.
6. T'Challa- the ruler of a long standing civilization untainted by the modern world and yet generations more advanced due to their isolation from the world around, allowing them to grow unhindered by most worldly conflict, T'Challa is known for his mastery of all sciences from weapons and defense technology to medicine and even magic. The science and technology of T'Challa and his people has always been right on par or even beyond that of Richards, Stark, and Doom.
7. Amadeus Cho- noted many times over as being the 7th smartest person alive, Cho's primary genius comes from his uncanny ability to process seemingly infinite volumes of data in short periods of time using highly advanced mathematics and physics all in his head. This allows Cho to perform physical tasks with pinpoint accuracy in a matter of seconds, as well as finding recognizable patterns in otherwise random amounts of vast data and decipher them into comprehendible meanings (deciphering alien languages/Comparing energy fluctuation readings of magical beings such as Loki). This ability of Cho to use his brain as a "supercomputer" uniquely distinguishes him from all the other members of the Intelligencia.
8. Hank McCoy: one of the founding members of the X-Men, Hank is steps above many of the other members of this group in the fields of genetics and medicine, as well as mattering many other fields of science such as time travel. As far as I know, McCoys genious is not a manifestation of his X-gene, which makes him one of the top 8 smartest men on earth un-aided by genetics, radiation, and/or cosmic entities.

There are others worth noting however, many of these have either been altered in some way, are alien to earth, or are comic/ godlike entities.

• Dr. Samson-Psychiatry
• M.O.D.O.K.-genetics
• The Leader-Radiation
• The Tinkerer-weaponry/tech
• The Mad Thinker-strategy/schemes
• High Evolutionary-genetics
• Mr. Sinister-genetics
• Charles Xavier-neuroscience/psychology/tech
• Dr. Nemesis-physiology
• Prodigy-many fields
• Cypher-technology/code
• Forge-technology
• Noh-Varr-technology
• Arnim Zola-genetics

These all these men represent to me, the smartest men on earth. What do you think?

Smartest Men on Marvel Earth 616- Sorry guys, this is the edited version. When I first posted, it was from my iPad, which doesn't support the text editor on here.

@xybernauts I did not include Dark Beast because he isn't from this timeline originally. As for smartest women in Marvel, there aren't many known for their intelligence; however, Valeria Richards (Reed Richards daughter) was noted in an X-Factor issue for possibly being as smart as her father. Dr. Rao, the creator of the "cure" for the X-gene, is another notable female in Marvel.

Thanks for your replys!

if t'challa tech and science is sometimes shown to be better then reed's, then why is reed still considered the most intelligent mind in marvel earth?

I posted this in another topic. This is Marvel's canon list.

1.) Reed Richards (multiple sources, but seriously... duh...)

2.) Victor von Doom (also multiple sources... and also duh...)

3.) Tony Stark (see above)

4.) Hank Pym (firmly established to be behind these three by a story arc in Mighty Avengers and the Intelligencia story arc)

5.)Bruce Banner (firmly established by the Intelligencia story arc)

6.) Hank McCoy (was listed among the eight smartest during the Intelligencia story arc, but no position was given; determined by process of elimination)

7.) Amadeus Cho (canon established fact)

8.) T'Challa (admitted to this rank personally to Spider-Man)

9.) Otto Octavius (was stated to be just above the Intelligencia in intellect ranking; rejected their offer to join because of it)

10.) The Leader (the Intelligencia's members were next in line on the list after the ones listed above; was stated and shown to be the smartest of the Intelligencia's ranks)

11.) M.O.D.O.K. (was stated to be the second smartest of the Intelligencia's ranks)

12-14.) Wizard, Mad Thinker, and Red Ghost (the remaining Intelligencia members weren't given specific numbers to their ranked positions, but would have filled these ranks)

As for all the "but T'Challa did this" or "the Leader did that" kind of arguements... ANYONE on this list can get the better of anyone else on this list on any given day. Each one is a leading expert in some area of science, so each one can do something better than the others can. This is an overall rank (one that has been established on-page as well). I'm sure it bothers some people because their favorite character isn't ranked higher on the list, but keep in mind that even the world's 30th smartest intellect on Earth would STILL be able to carry on a scientific conversation with these people on their level and even potentially get the better of them. Try not to get offended by established canon, because even the next 20 or so positions on the list still aren't anything to scoff at.

Do you know which issues of Mighty Avengers that is?

Isn't Amadeus Cho number 8? Didn't he get bumped down from 7 when Hank returned from being off-planet?

@v_scarlotte_rose: I don't have the issue numbers, no, but if you search Hank Pym along with Intelligencia or Scientist Supreme, you can find the scans on google images. Also, Hank was mistaken about that comment to Amadeus Cho, as he wasn't aware he was already counted among that list. Hank is too arrogantly humble and humbly arrogant for his own good sometimes.

@primedirective: In Mighty Avengers #30, Eternity only says that Reed Richards is smarter than him. He mentions Tony Stark, but not who he is more or less smart than.

I can't find the Intelligencia thing you're talking about, but I did find a scan that claims that Amadeus Cho is only the tenth smartest.

@v_scarlotte_rose: Bruce is making a dark joke referring to the fact that the Intelligencia (specifically the Leader and M.O.D.O.K.) had all gotten the better of them by that point in the story, "proving" themselves smarter. Also, Hank had just made the "eighth" correction earlier, which is why Amadeus just said "eighth" in bolded emphasis right there. He was being sarcastic and Bruce was being sarcastic back. Also, it's assumed Hank thought T'Challa above Cho, as Amadeus was an unknown nobody for the most part who came out of nowhere realatively recently. That said, by T'Challa's own admission to being the 8th smartest, Hank was wrong (which makes sense because he had just recently returned to Earth and had no knowledge of Amadeus' story thus far) and the list Amadeus saw that placed him as seventh was correct.

And yes, Tony has been stated to be the third smartest on more than one occasion. Mighty Avengers #30 DID place Tony above Hank. It wasn't Eternity that said it, it was Hank. This counts every bit as much because there is apparently an established intellect rank that they all know about. Hank would have known he was 4th on the list when he said that to Eternity.

How smart is peter parker

This is flawed. Ultron is a ruthless AI that does not tire, and is focused on becoming smarter. If you won't accept that, you must understand, the Leader is as smart as the Hulk is strong. That is limitless intelligence. He wins.

I agree. Ultron is the smartest. But he's not human. And once you get past him, and humans with ridiculous enhancements like the Leader and MODOK, lists become almost useless because everyone is specialized in different directions. To define who the smartest "multi-purpose" human is, you need to figure out who's the most adaptable to new situations (adaptability and growth are the reason for the success of the human race in general, and set us apart from machines, for the most part), who has the most knowledge and who has the most ability to translate their ideas into reality. Mr. Fantastic imo.

People who are always overlooked in this sort of list:

Valeria Richards -- At least as smart as her father.

The Maker (Reed Richards 1610) -- Now that he's in the 616 for good, he should probably be on the list right above 616 Reed.

Blue Marvel (Adam Brashear) -- Should definitely be in the Top 5 somewhere.

Sasquatch (Walter Langkowski) -- He's not as smart as the top 10, but he's no slouch.

Max Modell (founder of Horizon Labs) -- Considered one of the smartest men on the planet, and he assembled a "Think Tank" of other geniuses.

Green Goblin (Norman Osborn) -- Always overlooked, but he's definitely up there. It's just that he's also insane and tends not to think straight.

I also want to point out that according to various sources, Reed Richards' brain was augmented by the cosmic rays. He was already a genius, but his intelligence was increased when he got his powers.

Magneto has out witted reed richards a few times, he should be on these lists.

This is a good list. I would personally put Hank McCoy above Amadeus Cho and T'Challa

can someone post the list of smartest brains in universe (marvel universe) ,

according to ultimate spider-man anime.

At 7 comes Amadeus Cho ( Iron Spider )

At 6 and 5 comes Modok and The Leader.