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Marvel Zombies is a comic book story arc that first appeared in Ultimate Fantastic Four #21

Continuity Errors with Marvel Zombies?

Topic started by DEADPOOL on March 9, 2007. Last post by Superparody 5 days, 5 hours ago.
Post by DEADPOOL (1,776 posts) See mini bio

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There were characters who couldn't have been zombies, like: Juggernaut, Thor, and Vision.

And what about characters with healing factors? Like Deadpool, Sabretooth, Wolverine.

And what about Dr. Strange? If the plague is magic-based, he should had sensed it and surely would had some way of saving the world/universe/multiverse.

Galactus and Silver Surfer... why were they taken out like bitches???!!!

The Living Tribunal exists simultaniously in every reality, he would had put a stop to it the moment it began.

And more stuff...



Post by G-Man (10,113 posts) See mini bio

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Uhm, well, since it's a different Marvel Universe, maybe the physics of their powers are different. Isn't Captain America called Colonel America there? That could also explain the continuity stuff. And maybe the zombie infection is just too much for Wolvie and Deadpool's healing factor. They're not indestructable.



Post by Gottheit (3,413 posts) See mini bio

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Yeah, I agree with all this, but the biggest problem I think is Vision. The only way to really "zombify" Vision would be to reprogram him to eat human flesh. And I don't know why anybody(especially zombies) would want to do that, because A) it just creates more competition for brains and liver, and B) since Vision is a robot, I don't see him discriminating between healthy human flesh and necrotic flesh. If anything, he'd be the ultimate Zombie-bane(aside from Ash) until he was finally just destroyed by Sentry or someone, but not until he had taken out a few of the lower zombies.

BTW, where's Dracula, the Simon Garth Zombie, and Man-Thing during all this? Can a vampire or a plant become zombified?



Post by fesak (3,796 posts) See mini bio

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Even Ghost Rider was a zombie. And Howard the Duck.



Post by Gottheit (3,413 posts) See mini bio

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That's nice.



Post by DEADPOOL (1,776 posts) See mini bio

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Among the dozen things that don't make sense to me about Marvel Zombies is why the zombies just nibble on other super-humans while they entirely consume normal people.

And I don't get why normal civilians don't get infected, but normal heroes/villains do.

Despite the hunger, why didn't any of them try to cure themselves? Zombie-Reed can dedicate himself to building a cross-dimensional portal, but he can't cure everyone? If not to cure himself, then at least so him and the other zombie-FF could cure and eat the other zombies.

Why would all the zombies heroes be so ready, willing, and able to massacre every living thing on Earth? Why didn't any of them try to fight it? Why didn't any of them try to stop each other after getting infected? It was basically "I have to stop you zombie bastards no matter what! ::gets bit:: oh, ok."

Why were all of the zombies still in one piece after Magneto dropped a barrage of exploding cars on them? Zombie-Hulk 'n the other heavy-weights I could understand coming out variably intact, but the others?

And how is it that everyone except the Hulk broke their teeth trying to bite the Silver Surfer, but they were able to eat him just fine later?


Speaking of eating the Silver Surfer... how do you physically consume adamantium-like skin and energy?

Why were the zombie-FF so concerned about getting the other zombies into the Ultimate universe?

What happened to zombie-Sentry?

And where is the Living Tribunal in all of this? While he'd likely allow the virus to be self-contained on one world, the virus spreading from one reality to another or the existance of the zombie-galacti are things he'd never allow to happen. And as I said, he exists in every reality simultaneously... he doesn't have alternate-reality selves, he literally exists in every reality at once. And like all the cosmic gods, he's aware of everything that happens in the universe.

Or if not the Living Tribunal, then what of Eternity or Death? The virus would create an imbalance of life and death in the universe, they wouldn't like that. And just like Living Tribunal, they too exist in every reality simultaneously.

The Cosmic hierarchy goes: One Above All > Living Tribunal > Eternity/Death/fully-fed Galactus > Lord Chaos/Master Order/Mistress Love/Sire Hate > Cosmic Cubes/Celestials/Watchers > Heralds/Phoenix Force/Enigma Force > Skyfathers > Other Gods. ::Note:: There's more, but I'm not listing everyone! lol.

G-Man says:

"Uhm, well, since it's a different Marvel Universe, maybe the physics of their powers are different. Isn't Captain America called Colonel America there? That could also explain the continuity stuff. And maybe the zombie infection is just too much for Wolvie and Deadpool's healing factor. They're not indestructable."

Well Ultimate Thing did knock out zombie-Hulk with one punch, and Ultimate Doom was able to rip off zombie-Thing's arm, so those may prove that there were some power differences... or just bad writing. Silver Surfer didn't appear any weaker. He easily withstood a blow from zombie-Thor, and zombie-Wolverine couldn't cut him with his adamantium claws.


And yeah, maybe the healing factor's couldn't protect them from the virus since it seems to be magic-based.


Post Edited:2007-03-14 17:44:08



Post by Mr Mofo (306 posts) See mini bio

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I think it's a silly fun comic. Just like I never question why getting bitten by a radioactive spider makes a guy wanna wear red and blue and crawl on walls.



Post by Mighty Magneto (13,005 posts) See mini bio

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Writers Smoke Pott thats all there is to it.



Post by DEADPOOL (1,776 posts) See mini bio

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I'd have to agree with that, or Marvel needs to hire better writers.



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Post by Mr Mofo (306 posts) See mini bio

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Exactly. It just took off on its own. They probably didn't realize we'd eat it up. It cracks me up.



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Post by DEADPOOL (1,776 posts) See mini bio

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Maybe that's my problem. I was expecting "Dawn of the Dead" but ended up getting "Shaun of the Dead."


Maybe I would had enjoyed Marvel Zombies more if it wasn't just a novelty. I mean, the zombies in UFF almost made me crap myself... but Marvel Zombies was just one-long Monty Python sketch.



Post by Fourpower (R.I.P) (2,182 posts) See mini bio

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MZ was okay, I just found it kind of ludicrous.



Post by Fourpower (R.I.P) (2,182 posts) See mini bio

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Like the original post said, Living Tribunal should have stopped it before it got started.



Post by Gottheit (3,413 posts) See mini bio

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What I want to know is, where's Uatu during all this? That guy's the worst Watcher ever. He'd break his vow of only observing to pimp Tony Stark's ride if he could, yet he couldn't be bothered to help out the earth from getting eaten?

Also, what does Odin think of his son becoming zombified? I mean, does he just not care either way, or is there some Godly law that prevents him from interfering?

And I think they were able to eat Silver Surfer despite breaking their teeth because they don't feel pain...

Wolverine and Deadpool couldn't rely on the Healing Factor because, as we've now learned, it's all caused by the NECRONOMICON!!!



Post by DEADPOOL (1,776 posts) See mini bio

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Gottheit, you make some good points... but about the Silver Surfer. I meant that they break their teeth against his metallic body one moment, then chew him up like he's made of taffy the next? And speaking of which, metal is not flesh, otherwise the zombies should be chowing down on cars and stuff.


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Post by Gottheit (3,413 posts) See mini bio

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Maybe he's only hardened for as long as he mentally wills it, maybe it's a whole reality distortion shpeal, that he loses when he dies or loses consciousness...I mean, it could just be a giant plot-hole, but you gotta give comics the benefit of the doubt...Otherwise, you just end up thinking their stupid and walking away. You have to help them help you...



Post by DEADPOOL (1,776 posts) See mini bio

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Comics may just be fantasy, but they have their own guide-lines and it's up to the writer to follow those guide-lines. If they can't, then I think their work is stupid. I'll forgive small things or them forgetting something, but what happened to the Silver Surfer and Galactus was complete B.S.


Post Edited:2007-03-14 18:12:27



Post by Gottheit (3,413 posts) See mini bio

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Yeah...and, again, this is not the six hundreth and sixteenth universe we've come to know and love, this is completely different. In the regular Marvel universe, Galactus would never be consumed, even if they weakened him. There just isn't any meat or anything there, it's all cosmic whatever. And, frankly, Thor from our universe would so destroy all the zombies there...

BTW, the Marvel Zombies are assholes. your telling me they can make a destructo ray to take out Galactus, but they can't work on a replica hammer for Thor? Maybe something with lightning charges or something. It sucks to be zombie Thor...



Post by DEADPOOL (1,776 posts) See mini bio

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Here are other things I thought of...

Why didn't Venom try to eat his symbiote? It appearantly didn't get infected.

If the symbiote was dying since it's host is "dead," then why didn't it just leave Eddie for someone that was alive?



Post by Padded Cell (1 posts) See mini bio

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Well, we know Ash is involved. These are not normal zombies. If you look at his world and the way zombies are even created in his travels, they usually just pop up around him for no reason at all. If you follow any of the arts such as necromancy you learn quite a bit about this phenominon, meaning these are more demons than the classic night of the living dead stereotype that everybody in this board is thinking about. As for venom, his host body isn't dead, we are dealing with the necronomicon. "Zombies" in the necronomicon are not dead but rather dead souls in living bodies. This series combines a bunch of factors, I agree a few loopholes, but they nailed the storyline as different plot points of what ifs pop up. To understand this series, watch the evil dead series, read a few different versions of the necronomicon, read as many comics as you can, and piece it together. It was b.s. how Galactus went down though...pissed me off.



Post by DEADPOOL (1,776 posts) See mini bio

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Venom said himself that his symbiote was dying because he's dead.

And if you look at them, they are all rotting. Necromancy is alot of things... speaking to the dead, astral projection, soul stealing, raising the dead, etc.

And it's only now tying in the the Evil Dead series. Before, it was just a jumbled up mess. The Evil Dead tie-in is just trying to make the story make sense... and it still doesn't.

I'd rather it be demonic possession, that would explain why they all became sadistic cannibals. But Spider-Man's body was fighting off the infection for a while (Spider-Man does have enhanced healing abilities, but only border-line super-human), while all non-healers became zombies instantaneously. This seems to imply a disease. Also, Deadites have never shown any desire to eat people.

And I've thought of other things that never struck me before. Where's the police? Where's the army? How can the zombies have eaten everyone if they never left New York city? Why is everybody in the world with a costume in New York city anyway? Why hasn't there been any nuclear strikes?



Post by Rotten gun (2,542 posts) See mini bio

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i think they didn't expect to have so much success, its a dream ride really, the mini series was a quirky out of the ordinary little piece, they have planted the seed and now they have to write in those parameters.... i try not to look at the mistakes or else i lose the feeling of the story



Post by DEADPOOL (1,776 posts) See mini bio

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Rotten gun says:

"i think they didn't expect to have so much success, its a dream ride really, the mini series was a quirky out of the ordinary little piece, they have planted the seed and now they have to write in those parameters.... i try not to look at the mistakes or else i lose the feeling of the story "

Yeah, they made a novelty that was far more popular than they thought it would be, and now it's almost impossible to make it into a hard-hitting story... especially with Robert Kirkman!!!


Post Edited:2007-05-14 17:32:00



Post by Buckshot (13,287 posts) See mini bio

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What's wrong with Kirkman? He's writing a great zombie book right now. I'm not defending Marvel Zombies, but Walking Dead is good. He may have dropped the ball on MZ, but that doesn't mean he can't write a good story.



Post by DEADPOOL (1,776 posts) See mini bio

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I can't judge Robert Kirkman's other work, but he screws up any chance of Marvel Zombies being a great book everytime he touches it. John Layman has already done a 50x better story in just 3 issues of "Marvel Zombies vs. Army of Darkness," and he's working inside the crazy continuity that Robert Kirkman created.

But... Robert Kirkman has yet to explain how the 5'9 Ultimate Wolverine grew 10 inches to become Ultimate Cable, has a glowing eye (probably robotic), and is able to interact with his past self.


Post Edited:2007-05-14 21:09:58



Post by DarkLotusChylde (44 posts) See mini bio

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DEADPOOL says:

"Here are other things I thought of...Why didn't Venom try to eat his symbiote? It appearantly didn't get infected.If the symbiote was dying since it's host is "dead," then why didn't it just leave Eddie for someone that was alive?"

The Symbiote didn't have anyone else to attach to. They were all dead already.

I like the series, but then again I'm a huge fan of zombies and Evil Dead. The main problem I have is that Colonel America can loose half his head and still be alive... errr undead and talk and function as if his whole brain was still intact. The idea of a super virus that only infects super powered beings is new and a fresh twist on the zombie genre. I agree that it is over the top and some stuff doesn't make sense but I've never taken a zombie story too seriously. It's fun.



Post by DEADPOOL (1,776 posts) See mini bio

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I don't know why it didn't dawn on me earlier, but... why didn't Galactus become a zombie? He was infected before he died.



Post by Rotten gun (2,542 posts) See mini bio

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DEADPOOL says:

"I don't know why it didn't dawn on me earlier, but... why didn't Galactus become a zombie? He was infected before he died."

hmmmn? the transformation was quite fast. did he die before the infection made it to his nervous system? (or what ever system it affects)






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