The Future of Marvel NOW! Seen in AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #695

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#51 Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus (6836 posts) - - Show Bio

Im curious about what's going on with Hulk there. And it looks like we still see possibility for Ultron War later. I'm most curious about Thor and Deadpool though O_O

#52 Posted by Metatron_Da_Don (1029 posts) - - Show Bio
@punkpuppy3 said:

@Cafeterialoca I doubt X-23 is going to kill Hazmat since the AA kids are going to be sticking together

X-23 looks like she's mixed with Veil or wearing Veil's costume. ???
#53 Posted by BillyCoyle321 (1 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting.. I look forward to reading Marvel NOW.

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#54 Edited by animehunter (2306 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't want to step on the toes of those who believe that Hazmat will die during Avengers Arena, but I need to mention something.

Marvel loves to play games when it involves a death of a character, especially when it's a favored character. They love to poke at our emotions, and they would use any number of techniques.

  1. Plant red herrings during interviews and announcements
  2. Make issue covers that show one thing, but something entirely different happens during the issue itself.
  3. Show an apparent death but no body or funeral.

A good example of this is the supposed death of Silver Sable, she apparently died in the Ends of the Earth arc, they showed a panel where she apparently dies, Spider-man says she didn't make it, they create a tribute issue "Avenging Spider-Man #8" to her and Dan Slott goes on to indicate that she died in a interview. After all that I was sooo convinced of her death that I created a forum as a tribute to her.

Now I find out that, according to Julia Carpenter in The Amazing Spider-Man #690, she is still alive and still has things to do.

Since then, I have to see a number of things, before deciding on whether a character died or not.

  1. A death that is meaningful
  2. A body.
  3. A funeral
  4. An official announcement
  5. Dialogue, that says or make it very clear the character died.

Only when I see 3+ of these, specifically a body, is when I sway towards them being truly dead.

A very good example of a good, meaningful death is that of Mattie Franklin, when she died during the Grim Hunt arc.

#55 Posted by danhimself (22718 posts) - - Show Bio

is that Hulk grey?????

#56 Posted by Cafeterialoca (1484 posts) - - Show Bio

@Metatron_Da_Don: Don't ask me! I really don't know either!

#57 Posted by Cafeterialoca (1484 posts) - - Show Bio

@animehunter said:

I don't want to step on the toes of those who believe that Hazmat will die during Avengers Arena, but I need to mention something.

Marvel loves to play games when it involves a death of a character, especially when it's a favored character. They love to poke at our emotions, and they would use any number of techniques.

  1. Plant red herrings during interviews and announcements
  2. Make issue covers that show one thing, but something entirely different happens during the issue itself.
  3. Show an apparent death but no body or funeral.

A good example of this is the supposed death of Silver Sable, she apparently died in the Ends of the Earth arc, they showed a panel where she apparently dies, Spider-man says she didn't make it, they create a tribute issue "Avenging Spider-Man #8" to her and Dan Slott goes on to indicate that she died in a interview. After all that I was sooo convinced of her death that I created a forum as a tribute to her.

Now I find out that, according to Julia Carpenter in The Amazing Spider-Man #690, she is still alive and still has things to do.

Since then, I have to see a number of things, before deciding on whether a character died or not.

  1. A death that is meaningful
  2. A body.
  3. A funeral
  4. An official announcement
  5. Dialogue, that says or make it very clear the character died.

Only when I see 3+ of these, specifically a body, is when I sway towards them being truly dead.

A very good example of a good, meaningful death is that of Mattie Franklin, when she died during the Grim Hunt arc.

But here's the thing, Arena is about death. The writer admitted that there will be like 10 or so deaths in the book. Even if we knock off the new characters, the remaining fan favorites are still in there. Mettle and Hazmat are the biggest targets because they are the couple going into the book. They are the ones who will lose the most and that's why they are prime targets.

Another thing, I don't think this book can properly show the consequences of the death to the outside world. I mean, if Runaways die, do we just get one panel of the Runaways at home crying and that's it? Or how about Avengers Academy kids dying? Do we just flash a panel of those kids dying? There's a lot of threads here that can easily be buried in the book. Hopeless is a good writer, but there are a lot of things that could fall apart quickly for this book if he doesn't do these characters justice. Which makes the fact that characters are dying for ARCADE all the more annoying. Arcade is a joke! And now characters could die FOR HIS AMUSEMENT! They won't die as heroes. They will die in a game! That's the depressing thing!

And what if Arcade gets away at the end? What if the kids are about to kill him, and Captain America swoops in saying "We don't kill people." That would make this the most rage inducing story on the planet.

And I disagree. Mattie was a horrible death. She just died out of nowhere, and everyone moved on. You didn't even get J.J.J. to mention her. The man adopted her and we never saw his reaction. That's what really annoys me about comics at times. Character deaths who should reach a lot of other characters aren't shown because they either die to make a story seem big, shock value, or motivation. When Captain America died, they wouldn't let you hear the end of it. When Mattie died, it's full impact wasn't shown because "She's just some small character. Kill her for drama and move on."

Again, Anxious about Arena.

#58 Posted by GillaDro (249 posts) - - Show Bio

Looks like someone holding Spider-man's dead body in the air. Top right

#59 Posted by MisterKetch (253 posts) - - Show Bio

Bottom right corner has a pic of Scarlet Spider from Minimum Carnage Alpha, not sure but I think the picture of Carnage on the left side might be from that as well.

Doesn't really seem like much is being shown that's signifigant most just seems to be generic scenes of heroes, and since one (at least) of theses was taken from another comic it seems like these would most likely be from comics that have already been finished (so probably nothing more then a few months from now at the most)

It was interesting to see in the context of the issue though, hopefully she doesn't die or else its pointless as it give the reader so little information. It really doesn't look like Marvel Now is a reboot but this kind of suggests (at least in the really dramatic fashion in which she got this overload) that another event is imminent, either that or when a Madame Web dies her powers just go supernova for a moment.

#60 Posted by DEGRAAF (7918 posts) - - Show Bio

@Cafeterialoca: Julia Carpenters dying?

@Spideycap said:

Looks like Ock's finally going to die, Hulk joins shield, possibly Deadpool joining Avengers, Lizard in an iron man suit, Cap gains super feet powers thanks to JRJR, and whats up with Peter's head poking out of that water?

Oh you think that is Peter? I thought that was an artists drawing of Iceman

@Gambit1024 said:

Bottom right. Can't see too closely, but are those Daken's hands?

I would guess no unless he under goes the same procedure Wolverine did. The claws look shiny and to me at least it looks like they are coming out for the first time.

#61 Posted by clemj (817 posts) - - Show Bio

more strange spoilers to make us beg for more

#62 Posted by __transgojobot__ (46 posts) - - Show Bio

As long as all roads lead to Ultron War, they can do whatever they want.

#63 Posted by 3rdClawtotheleft (17 posts) - - Show Bio

@Cafeterialoca said:

@animehunter said:

I don't want to step on the toes of those who believe that Hazmat will die during Avengers Arena, but I need to mention something.

Marvel loves to play games when it involves a death of a character, especially when it's a favored character. They love to poke at our emotions, and they would use any number of techniques.

  1. Plant red herrings during interviews and announcements
  2. Make issue covers that show one thing, but something entirely different happens during the issue itself.
  3. Show an apparent death but no body or funeral.

A good example of this is the supposed death of Silver Sable, she apparently died in the Ends of the Earth arc, they showed a panel where she apparently dies, Spider-man says she didn't make it, they create a tribute issue "Avenging Spider-Man #8" to her and Dan Slott goes on to indicate that she died in a interview. After all that I was sooo convinced of her death that I created a forum as a tribute to her.

Now I find out that, according to Julia Carpenter in The Amazing Spider-Man #690, she is still alive and still has things to do.

Since then, I have to see a number of things, before deciding on whether a character died or not.

  1. A death that is meaningful
  2. A body.
  3. A funeral
  4. An official announcement
  5. Dialogue, that says or make it very clear the character died.

Only when I see 3+ of these, specifically a body, is when I sway towards them being truly dead.

A very good example of a good, meaningful death is that of Mattie Franklin, when she died during the Grim Hunt arc.

But here's the thing, Arena is about death. The writer admitted that there will be like 10 or so deaths in the book. Even if we knock off the new characters, the remaining fan favorites are still in there. Mettle and Hazmat are the biggest targets because they are the couple going into the book. They are the ones who will lose the most and that's why they are prime targets.

Another thing, I don't think this book can properly show the consequences of the death to the outside world. I mean, if Runaways die, do we just get one panel of the Runaways at home crying and that's it? Or how about Avengers Academy kids dying? Do we just flash a panel of those kids dying? There's a lot of threads here that can easily be buried in the book. Hopeless is a good writer, but there are a lot of things that could fall apart quickly for this book if he doesn't do these characters justice. Which makes the fact that characters are dying for ARCADE all the more annoying. Arcade is a joke! And now characters could die FOR HIS AMUSEMENT! They won't die as heroes. They will die in a game! That's the depressing thing!

And what if Arcade gets away at the end? What if the kids are about to kill him, and Captain America swoops in saying "We don't kill people." That would make this the most rage inducing story on the planet.

And I disagree. Mattie was a horrible death. She just died out of nowhere, and everyone moved on. You didn't even get J.J.J. to mention her. The man adopted her and we never saw his reaction. That's what really annoys me about comics at times. Character deaths who should reach a lot of other characters aren't shown because they either die to make a story seem big, shock value, or motivation. When Captain America died, they wouldn't let you hear the end of it. When Mattie died, it's full impact wasn't shown because "She's just some small character. Kill her for drama and move on."

Again, Anxious about Arena.

SB/DB is that you ?

#64 Posted by Cafeterialoca (1484 posts) - - Show Bio

@3rdClawtotheleft said:

@Cafeterialoca said:

@animehunter said:

I don't want to step on the toes of those who believe that Hazmat will die during Avengers Arena, but I need to mention something.

Marvel loves to play games when it involves a death of a character, especially when it's a favored character. They love to poke at our emotions, and they would use any number of techniques.

  1. Plant red herrings during interviews and announcements
  2. Make issue covers that show one thing, but something entirely different happens during the issue itself.
  3. Show an apparent death but no body or funeral.

A good example of this is the supposed death of Silver Sable, she apparently died in the Ends of the Earth arc, they showed a panel where she apparently dies, Spider-man says she didn't make it, they create a tribute issue "Avenging Spider-Man #8" to her and Dan Slott goes on to indicate that she died in a interview. After all that I was sooo convinced of her death that I created a forum as a tribute to her.

Now I find out that, according to Julia Carpenter in The Amazing Spider-Man #690, she is still alive and still has things to do.

Since then, I have to see a number of things, before deciding on whether a character died or not.

  1. A death that is meaningful
  2. A body.
  3. A funeral
  4. An official announcement
  5. Dialogue, that says or make it very clear the character died.

Only when I see 3+ of these, specifically a body, is when I sway towards them being truly dead.

A very good example of a good, meaningful death is that of Mattie Franklin, when she died during the Grim Hunt arc.

But here's the thing, Arena is about death. The writer admitted that there will be like 10 or so deaths in the book. Even if we knock off the new characters, the remaining fan favorites are still in there. Mettle and Hazmat are the biggest targets because they are the couple going into the book. They are the ones who will lose the most and that's why they are prime targets.

Another thing, I don't think this book can properly show the consequences of the death to the outside world. I mean, if Runaways die, do we just get one panel of the Runaways at home crying and that's it? Or how about Avengers Academy kids dying? Do we just flash a panel of those kids dying? There's a lot of threads here that can easily be buried in the book. Hopeless is a good writer, but there are a lot of things that could fall apart quickly for this book if he doesn't do these characters justice. Which makes the fact that characters are dying for ARCADE all the more annoying. Arcade is a joke! And now characters could die FOR HIS AMUSEMENT! They won't die as heroes. They will die in a game! That's the depressing thing!

And what if Arcade gets away at the end? What if the kids are about to kill him, and Captain America swoops in saying "We don't kill people." That would make this the most rage inducing story on the planet.

And I disagree. Mattie was a horrible death. She just died out of nowhere, and everyone moved on. You didn't even get J.J.J. to mention her. The man adopted her and we never saw his reaction. That's what really annoys me about comics at times. Character deaths who should reach a lot of other characters aren't shown because they either die to make a story seem big, shock value, or motivation. When Captain America died, they wouldn't let you hear the end of it. When Mattie died, it's full impact wasn't shown because "She's just some small character. Kill her for drama and move on."

Again, Anxious about Arena.

SB/DB is that you ?

#65 Posted by mrpandopool (63 posts) - - Show Bio

I don´t think that the lower right image are claws, I think that's peter´s stingers and are all bloody cause it has passed a long time since he used them remeber tthat in the 693 issue he mentioned that he "used to have organic web shooters" and even before in the two last parts of spider island is a part when he is talking to kaine and he says that he knows the feeling of dying and comig back with strange powers so now there is more proof that his "other" powers where there but maybe he loose completly some and others are just turned "off" for this time around like the organic web shooters maybe in one more day while he was fighting Ironman and used all his web maybe he atrophied the organs that make the organic webs while forcing them to make all that web being the reason why he returned to the classic web shoorters. And if he had that organic web shooters there´s no proof he lost his stingers maybe they're just going to come out when his around some one dark and caothic although there where a lot of moments tha could happen even in A vs X number 9 and I´m sure that are stingers beacuse if you read Minimum Carnage Alpha your going to see that Kaine uses his stingers and are practicly identical but without the blood and that also discards the possibility of being Kaine´s stingers.

#66 Posted by jesusdisciple001 (546 posts) - - Show Bio

hawkeye anyone see hawkeye and ms marvel

#67 Posted by jesusdisciple001 (546 posts) - - Show Bio

hawkeye anyone see hawkeye and ms marvel

#68 Posted by Strider92 (16837 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd laugh if that picture of Peter drowning was in fact Spidercide.

#69 Posted by queenfrost_ (2490 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultron War takes place after 'yesterday's x-men' (which is the team in all new x-men) so we can still expect that to happen.

#70 Posted by AD47575 (8 posts) - - Show Bio

I reckon that that Peter head poking out of the water is BEN REILLY BEING REBORN. Hast to be. so many people want Ben back not to mention that marvel has been toying with the legacy clone saga for a while now with the scarlet spider series, the who was Ben reilly arc and all the recent jackal appearances.

#71 Posted by Frenkcastle19 (2 posts) - - Show Bio

Morbius in The Amazing Spider-Man #699.1, Trapster and Hydro-Man in the last issues of The Amazing Spider-Man, original X-men time traveled from the past to the present thanks to Beast in All-New X-Men #2, X-23 vs Hazmat in Avengers Arena #1, Captain America vs Avalanche and Wolverine giving eulogy speech in Uncanny Avengers #1, Elektra in Thunderbolts #1, Hulk in Indestructible Hulk #1, venom in Venom #28, Dying Doc ock in last issues of amazing spider-man, ant man ( scott lang ) in marvel now point one and also nick fury's new son in marvel now point one, deadpool meeting thor in new deadpool volume, ms marvel in captain marvel #9 new volume, captain america in new captain america volume, Mary jane hitting someone probably in superior spider-man, doc ock in parker's body meditating in superior spider-man, scarlet spider, minimum carnage, hawkeye in hawkeye vol 4, some girl holding a gun probably Guardians of the galaxy, lizard and doc ock's robot thing in last issues of amazing spider-man

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