what are your thoughts race changes in marvel movies?

#1 Posted by THORSON (2317 posts) - - Show Bio

for example a black kingpin, heimdall, "Electro", an Asian hogun.

#2 Posted by JohnnyGat (1561 posts) - - Show Bio

On an intitial point of view, I don't mind it would feel off but as long as the actor does it well then great.

After, if the actor performed well then nice, if not then too bad. Honestly if ever there was any race changing that would bother me only because of how off it will feel is if the character is a big name hero.

#3 Posted by NightHaunter (111 posts) - - Show Bio

It would only bother me for a big name. Don't care about Electro.

#4 Posted by BiteMe-Fanboy (7543 posts) - - Show Bio

Meh. I don't like it, but it's not too bad, I reckon.

#5 Posted by Asagod (290 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn't like it.

#6 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4521 posts) - - Show Bio

Does't matter, great idea in some cases, epecially the Nick Fury thing!

#7 Posted by Selinaky (677 posts) - - Show Bio

Doesn't bother me, think the guys as Heimdall and Hogun did a good job.

#8 Posted by arnoldoaad (1007 posts) - - Show Bio

curious that you dont mention Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury

I dont think any of the changes are bad at all

#9 Posted by tupiaz (2170 posts) - - Show Bio

Nick Fury was an idea taken from Ultimattes so that wasn’t real a change in the movies but a question about where you took inspiration from. I’m against it often it feels unnecessary often it makes the movie less believable. The biggest e problem is more that the lack of big comic book heroes that are Black, Asian or Hispanic this shouldn’t be a problem the movie should fix this way,

#10 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

As long as it makes sense, it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

#11 Posted by Z3RO180 (6310 posts) - - Show Bio

i really really really could not care. What i do care about is all these dame thor 2 thread popping up. Basically spoiling the movie

#12 Posted by sunhawk (550 posts) - - Show Bio

considering Thor movie presents asgardians as extra dimensional space aliens who just happen to look human, its ok if they mix in some azn and africans. i mean the real Thor is supposed to be a ginger instead of a blonde.

#13 Posted by cmartin (345 posts) - - Show Bio

dont like it its pointless, doesnt change the story , so why do it...?

#14 Posted by SC (12699 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate it. Thor is supposed to be an Asgardian, not an Australian, Storm is meant to be the perfect mix of every race, not Halle Berry, Galactus is meant to be a cosmic entity, not a cloud, and Frost Giants are supposed to be Frost Giants, not Americans using CGI. Forget that Thor comics often make mistakes like using American style Eagles instead of the that would be seen in Scandenavia, or that Hogun is meant to resemble Charles Bronson, and his ambigously vague eastern look, and come from Eastern lands, or that comic Thors mother is the actual planet Earth, and that comic Thor and myth Thor have tons of differences, just make the movies so it makes sense to me. I demand authenticity. Plus should get a blind actor to play Daredevil. Silver Surfer needs to be Zenn-Larian also, otherwise its just stupid and unnecessary.

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#15 Edited by JonSmith (3988 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't Hogun usually portrayed as being of Asian descent in the comics?

On topic, if the actor does a good job, then I've got no problem with race change... Provided it's not an iconic superhero or superheroine.

#16 Posted by KnightRise (4785 posts) - - Show Bio

If its not the main character, and the character's ethnicity isn't important for the story (et; Black Panther, Static, Icon, Jaime Reyes), I couldn't care less.

Hogun always looked like a Mongul warrior to me...and anyone else with eyes.

#17 Posted by TheGodofThunder (584 posts) - - Show Bio

@THORSON: Hogun is not an Asgardian and comes froma place called mystic mountain that is ruled by mogul. Though not explicitly stated, Hogun is of Asian origin so the people who cast Tsubano as Hogun got it right.

#18 Posted by guttridgeb (4831 posts) - - Show Bio

In theory, its a good idea for Marvel to change the races of some of their characters who have been around longer and might have been a different race had social equality been like it is now when the characters were created.

In practise, I'm not always a fan. Nick Fury, for instance, is far cooler as a white guy in my opinion. Then again, Heimdall was awesomely done and that worked really well.

#19 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (6024 posts) - - Show Bio

it's stupid and cheap

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#20 Posted by PowerHerc (81623 posts) - - Show Bio

It's unnecessary, therefore it doesn't need to happen and shouldn't.

#21 Posted by Brazen_Intellect (1144 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefer to keep things as close to the source material as possible, but in some cases it is necessary. In the case of the Kingpin how many actors have the stature and presence necessary to look the part and have talent? It's slim pickings so I fully understand going with Michael Clarke Duncan in this case. What really burns my a$$ is a situation like the terrible Street Fighter - Legend of Chun Li where they cast a white chick to play the part of a chinese martial artist. Are you telling me they could not find a chinese or even just asian actress with martial arts experience that could out act Kristen Kreuk?

Also you have to remember that many of these movies are based off of 50+ year old series that included nearly zero minorities, as much as I do not like the changes I understand they want to make these excessable to more than just 15-45 year old white guys.

To me its not about if they made a change, it's was the change necessary and/or for the better

#22 Posted by TerrellV13 (74 posts) - - Show Bio

@THORSON: I personally don't mind. It happens all the time in comics, so why can't it happen in the movies?

#23 Posted by THORSON (2317 posts) - - Show Bio

@SC: sounds like you are nitpicking

#24 Posted by SC (12699 posts) - - Show Bio

@THORSON:

Possibly. Either that or heavily sarcastic. ^_^

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#25 Posted by Pyrogram (35110 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't mind, its only minor people.

#26 Posted by satyrgod (2115 posts) - - Show Bio

Ethnic change for the sake of change seems to be cheap pandering for multi-ethnic publicity. A Scandinavian god who resembles an African god insults the intelligence of any rational person. Halle Barry lacked the strength of character and physical stature of Storm, Grace Jones would have been better. Why not keep Nick Fury caucassion, unless the implication is that there is something wrong with being old and white; just kill him off already and have his more ethnically diverse protege or son (or grandson, in this case) take on his responsibilities. Create and develop some good ethnic characters instead of changing previously existing popular characters to fit the new stereotype.

And how about we drop the use of the word 'race' as inflammatory. There is one race; the human race. Thor and his ilk are a different race. Mutants being a divergent species of the human race with Ororo from a separate species of human than African negro, European caucassion or Asian mongul.

#27 Posted by gou10t (19 posts) - - Show Bio

@satyrgod said:

Ethnic change for the sake of change seems to be cheap pandering for multi-ethnic publicity. A Scandinavian god who resembles an African god insults the intelligence of any rational person. Halle Barry lacked the strength of character and physical stature of Storm, Grace Jones would have been better. Why not keep Nick Fury caucassion, unless the implication is that there is something wrong with being old and white; just kill him off already and have his more ethnically diverse protege or son (or grandson, in this case) take on his responsibilities. Create and develop some good ethnic characters instead of changing previously existing popular characters to fit the new stereotype.

And how about we drop the use of the word 'race' as inflammatory. There is one race; the human race. Thor and his ilk are a different race. Mutants being a divergent species of the human race with Ororo from a separate species of human than African negro, European caucassion or Asian mongul.

And I say "Amen" to that!

#28 Posted by Nathaniel_Christopher (1556 posts) - - Show Bio

I could honestly care less. It doesn't stop me from enjoying the movie if its good.

#29 Posted by Cole_Mercer (214 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:

I could honestly care less. It doesn't stop me from enjoying the movie if its good.

The only person who made sense in this thread.

#30 Posted by joshmightbe (24601 posts) - - Show Bio

Hogun has always looked like a mongol so asian fits

#31 Posted by judasnixon (6193 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshmightbe: Plus Hogun was played by this man!!!
Greatest film ever!!!! 
#32 Posted by judasnixon (6193 posts) - - Show Bio

I was more upset that hogun didn't have his bitch' Charles Bronson mustache...

#33 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5155 posts) - - Show Bio

@SC said:

I hate it. Thor is supposed to be an Asgardian, not an Australian, Storm is meant to be the perfect mix of every race, not Halle Berry, Galactus is meant to be a cosmic entity, not a cloud, and Frost Giants are supposed to be Frost Giants, not Americans using CGI. Forget that Thor comics often make mistakes like using American style Eagles instead of the that would be seen in Scandenavia, or that Hogun is meant to resemble Charles Bronson, and his ambigously vague eastern look, and come from Eastern lands, or that comic Thors mother is the actual planet Earth, and that comic Thor and myth Thor have tons of differences, just make the movies so it makes sense to me. I demand authenticity. Plus should get a blind actor to play Daredevil. Silver Surfer needs to be Zenn-Larian also, otherwise its just stupid and unnecessary.

lol I saw that.

@KnightRise said:

If its not the main character, and the character's ethnicity isn't important for the story (et; Black Panther, Static, Icon, Jaime Reyes), I couldn't care less.

Hogun always looked like a Mongul warrior to me...and anyone else with eyes.

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@MadeinBangladesh said:

it's stupid and cheap

@PowerHerc said:

It's unnecessary, therefore it doesn't need to happen and shouldn't.

Well I hope Tyler Perry gets the next Avengers movie and does all black cast jjst to watch you two burst a blood vessel lol

#34 Posted by Onemoreposter (3938 posts) - - Show Bio

@THORSON said:

for example a black kingpin, heimdall, "Electro", an Asian hogun.

Michael Clark Duncan was a PERFECT King Pin. (RIP)

Heimdall pissed me off. It made no sense to change the race. The role was so small Elba certainly didn't get cast because of his acting chops. It was change for change's sake and didn't even make sense in the context. It was a poor move.

Jamie Kennedy as Electro? I'll have to see. Just saw Django and that was awesome. I'm optimistic.

Hogun is Asiatic. Always has been as far as I know. My pet peeve with the warriors three was that they were ALL too pretty (except Fandrel of course, he was perfect).

#35 Posted by Mega_spidey01 (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nathaniel_Christopher said:

I could honestly care less. It doesn't stop me from enjoying the movie if its good.

#36 Posted by joshmightbe (24601 posts) - - Show Bio

Looks pretty Mongolian to me

#37 Edited by Shipwreck (114 posts) - - Show Bio

The one cared the most about was Agent Zero. I know he isn't a big name or anything but I grew up lovin' Nord. I wanted to a see a man with sexy German accent and the beginning friendship (that won't really last) with Logan. (love that bar scene) Instead, I got watered down with no development version of him. I was a sad panda.

#38 Edited by lilben42 (2498 posts) - - Show Bio

How come its always African Americans and Caucasians? What about the Chinese, Mexicans, Indians? Huh? What about them!

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