@cascadeking09 said:

@Caligula: I'm sure you wouldn't be saying anything if  some unkown actor WHO IS WHITE, BUT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE PERRY had been cast as him. There is nothing wrong with that as long as the role is played right. If he's not the main character and his role isn't any bigger than it was in any of the other superman movies then why are you making this big a deal out of it? You act as if they only did it to have another black character in the movie and maybe you didn't realize the majorly popular character who isn't even portrayed as have any sort of hispanic background.

every single point you brought up in this response has already been brought up and shot down by me or others like a flaming rocket. earlier in the thread. and as to why I care about it. uhmm... let me think... because I f***ing read  Superman comics.

@cascadeking09: I cant speak for him but I would oh yes I would there is something very wrong with picking some who doesn't look like a character.

Another one of these huh?  Honestly why bother, it's always the same arguments in these threads everytime a character changes race for a movie.  Who really cares.

@Caligula said:

@cascadeking09 said:

@Caligula: I'm sure you wouldn't be saying anything if  some unkown actor WHO IS WHITE, BUT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE PERRY had been cast as him. There is nothing wrong with that as long as the role is played right. If he's not the main character and his role isn't any bigger than it was in any of the other superman movies then why are you making this big a deal out of it? You act as if they only did it to have another black character in the movie and maybe you didn't realize the majorly popular character who isn't even portrayed as have any sort of hispanic background.

every single point you brought up in this response has already been brought up and shot down by me or others like a flaming rocket. earlier in the thread. and as to why I care about it. uhmm... let me think... because I f***ing read  Superman comics.

It doesn't matter to me how long this charater has been around. This movie is about Superman not Perry White. If you think Lawrence Fishburne can play the role then there shouldn't be a problem. You respect his history and yet I don't hear you complaining about him not having  brown hair on the top of his head in SR or him saying "GREAT SHADES OF ELVIS!" and being obsessed with Elvis Presley and I don't think there is a single person who would've been so upset by it that they spent the entire time talking about it. There is no need to curse any of that because I disagree so calm down. 
 

 

@Dernman

said:

@cascadeking09: I cant speak for him but I would oh yes I would there is something very wrong with picking some who doesn't look like a character.

But it still happens ALOT, and I rarely ever hear any complaints until the race of a character is changed, even if the actor played that role dead on.

@Caligula: Mhm, what about L&C. Better yet what about any character in any comicbook movie not being portrayd EXACTLY the same as they were in the comicbooks. There is always something different just like a character that goes from tv series to comicbook. Movies change things, this change wasn't for the sake of casting a black actor for a white role so. And you can drop the attitude.

@cascadeking09 said:

 

@Dernman

said:

@cascadeking09: I cant speak for him but I would oh yes I would there is something very wrong with picking some who doesn't look like a character.

But it still happens ALOT, and I rarely ever hear any complaints until the race of a character is changed, even if the actor played that role dead on.

you are a liar. what about all the hate on Tom Hardy not looking like Bane (personally, I think Hardy is fine as Bane).  But Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan I hated that from the beginning and was very vocal about it. this argument is invalid sir.  Also I hated Evans as Cap from day one, even before I saw the film I called that crappy casting.   I'm actually not pissed on Larry being Perry because at all because least he can act like him. but He still doesn't fit the role in looks.

Tom Hardy hasn't been seen playing Bane for one thing.

  And Ryan Reynolds actually looks like Hal IMO and didn't stray too far from how the character has been portrayed.

  Evans has that look too. He even has blonde hair and blue eyes and any complaints wouldn't have been "His hair isn't blonde enough"

It wouldn't have been an issue if we hadn't mentioned it in the article...

Obviously, some characters are defined by their race. Black Panther, Luke Cage and Static Shock are all strong Black characters who would probably lose an essential part of their personality and character if they were portrayed by non-Black actors. But Perry White? Perry White has no connection to being White. It has nothing to do with his initial identity, his premise, his character. Neither does Superman, or Spider-Man, or The Batman, for that matter.

I think that the discussion about the new Spider-Man has been ridiculous, and I think that this discussion is ridiculous. When I saw the picture of the new Spider-Man and saw that he was not White, I didn't say "Wow, I'm really disappointed." I didn't say "Wow, that's interesting." I didn't say "Spider-Man is White!" I said, "I'm wondering very much how this character has come into this role and if it will be a good direction for the Spider-Man book." No racially-aware diatribe popped into my head, just a yearning to read the new book. Isn't that how it should be?

@RedheadedAtrocitus: Yeah, but Nick Fury was modeled after Samuel L. Jackson (Ultimate Nick Fury that is, who the Marvel movies are supposed to portray more than any other specific source).

It wouldn't have been an issue if we hadn't mentioned it in the article...

Obviously, some characters are defined by their race. Black Panther, Luke Cage and Static Shock are all strong Black characters who would probably lose an essential part of their personality and character if they were portrayed by non-Black actors. But Perry White? Perry White has no connection to being White. It has nothing to do with his initial identity, his premise, his character. Neither does Superman, or Spider-Man, or The Batman, for that matter.

I think that the discussion about the new Spider-Man has been ridiculous, and I think that this discussion is ridiculous. When I saw the picture of the new Spider-Man and saw that he was not White, I didn't say "Wow, I'm really disappointed." I didn't say "Wow, that's interesting." I didn't say "Spider-Man is White!" I said, "I'm wondering very much how this character has come into this role and if it will be a good direction for the Spider-Man book." No racially-aware diatribe popped into my head, just a yearning to read the new book. Isn't that how it should be?

@Caligula: yes, it would be perfectly fine if Iron Man or Superman (or Wonder Woman) were to be portrayed by a Black or otherwise non-White actor. Why don't you think that it would be?

@Caligula: yes, it would be perfectly fine if Iron Man or Superman (or Wonder Woman) were to be portrayed by a Black or otherwise non-White actor. Why don't you think that it would be?

@cascadeking09 said:

Tom Hardy hasn't been seen playing Bane for one thing.

yes he has. and most of the complaints are about his size not his ethnicity.

 you've never read a GL book with Hal have you?

#1he looks too damn young and inexperienced, he does not have the look of a war hero.
#2. you don't read much Cap I take it?

 from a lot of your statements throughout this thread. I'm beginning to think you aren't really a comic fan, and only know what you know through movies.

It wouldn't have been an issue if we hadn't mentioned it in the article...

Obviously, some characters are defined by their race. Black Panther, Luke Cage and Static Shock are all strong Black characters who would probably lose an essential part of their personality and character if they were portrayed by non-Black actors. But Perry White? Perry White has no connection to being White. It has nothing to do with his initial identity, his premise, his character. Neither does Superman, or Spider-Man, or The Batman, for that matter.

I think that the discussion about the new Spider-Man has been ridiculous, and I think that this discussion is ridiculous. When I saw the picture of the new Spider-Man and saw that he was not White, I didn't say "Wow, I'm really disappointed." I didn't say "Wow, that's interesting." I didn't say "Spider-Man is White!" I said, "I'm wondering very much how this character has come into this role and if it will be a good direction for the Spider-Man book." No racially-aware diatribe popped into my head, just a yearning to read the new book. Isn't that how it should be?

@Caligula said:

@cascadeking09 said:

Tom Hardy hasn't been seen playing Bane for one thing.

yes he has. and most of the complaints are about his size not his ethnicity.

No he hasn't, what clip of the movie have you seen of Bane? And bane before pumping venom is about 6'0 Tom Hardy is 5'10 not that big of a height difference. is 6'1 Superman is 6'3 haven't heard any complaints about that. 

 you've never read a GL book with Hal have you?

Yes I have and I have vol 2, 4, and 5 saved on my computer.

#1he looks too damn young and inexperienced, he does not have the look of a war hero.
#2. you don't read much Cap I take it?

1. I'm pretty sure Cap in the movie was supposed to be young and inexperienced. 
2. So you're questioning my knowledge every time I disagree with you? I'm no expert and dont have giant stacks of Captain America books, but I've read a good bit.

 from a lot of your statements throughout this thread. I'm beginning to think you aren't really a comic fan, and only know what you know through movies.

And from the way you address me I'm starting to think you have more respect for comicbooks than people. I wouldn't be on this site if I wasn't a comic fan and I surely wouldn't have stayed for 2 years commenting on the comicbooks I've read or even be having this conversation with you.

@Caligula: I don't understand that sentence.

@cascadeking09: The look of a character is not a small thing. The shade of a character is just as important as if he had a mole or not. Hair like Norman Osborn If he was fat or not. I wouldn't be ok with making Kingpin a skinny dude.

@cascadeking09 said:

@Caligula: I don't understand that sentence.

Movie about Stallone's life.  Main Character Stallone played by Some dude who looks and acts like Stallone. (cool)Background character Devito played by Coleman. (stupid)

@cascadeking09: When Icon was at Milstone he was basically a black Superman. That didn't make him Superman.

@cascadeking09: Whether it more important or not doesn't mean you have to throw it out the window. Your telling me out of all the actors out there they couldn't find a good actor that fits the basic description. Just because something happens a lot doesn't make it a good idea.

Ugh I hated Thor...Balder  was Worse being played by a black guy, it makes no sense for a norse god who comes from the norway region of the world to be black.
 
The whole Nick Fury thing well alot of Marvel movies are going with Ultimate aspects of characters take alook at the new Spiderman movie.
 
I think that this is stupid why do THAT? It's like if they made Batman and had Alfred Black or Asian. Or Made JJ from Spiderman asian or Black.
 
I'm not racist or anything but THIS is retarded, you don't see black or asian characters becoming white.

                    @cascadeking09 said:

                    In case I'm not being clear enough changing a character's race is WRONG if the change is only to add another character of a certain race, but there isn't anything wrong with casting the right actor for the right role. Perry's character doesn't revolve around being a caucasian american. His role is editor and chief of the daily planet, he's not even the most important character in the movie so I don't see any reason for his race being brought up at all.

                   

               

what's wrong with wanting a character to resemble the comic version?

                   

               

superman, will you take the blue pill or the red pill? ............................ i'll take them both cuz I'M SUPERMAN B!EATCH!!

                    As I keep reading this conversation it just make me more and more sad. Come guys I really thought we were past this, guess I was being naive.  Unless the fans are okay with comics wont ever be diverse, it is apparent from yesterday and today that most fans are not okay with Diversity.

                   

               

@Caligula: @Dernman: You do not want diversity you make it clear by being opposed to this, minor change, Perry White being white is is not central to the role in Superman story. Again Perry White is not a pivotal character but you guys are up in arms. You hide behind the idea that movies should be exactly like comics when we all know this wont be the case. In reality what bothers you is he was white and now he is black, even if that does not change his role in the slightest, unless you think that a black man cannot be an editor in chief at a major Newspaper.   The fact that so many people are up in arms about this will then cause studios to be hesitant to hire the best actor available for a role, because they see that you just want the guy who looks most like the character. With this logic Triple H should have been Thor.  Also continuing this logic 90% of super hero movies will feature characters who are white to reflect comics. How do you think this makes anyone who is not a white straight male feel? It excludes us and dammit we are part of this community too! Why does this bother you so much?

@cascadeking09: Yea just like there were some differences with Rocky.  With all the actors out there established/not established there is no way they  such a change was was forced because they couldn't find a good actor. Especially with a character like perry who isn't very image detailed. What do you have to look for. Old white guy. Doesn't seem to hard to me.  Although acting is important it doesn't mean you throw description out the window. Which they have done with casting who they did. You need to balance the acting with the look and you don't get that here. They are both important and they don't  like making such a huge change they are is just taking a piss. Which is very good reason for a fan to get upset.. If you don't have the ability to do something then do something else.

I saw this posted on other sites yesterday and I knew it would be just as controversial as the Ultimate Spider-Man thing. Ah, it's nice to see the racism of other fanboys (Sarcasm). Also, just because you say "I'M NOT WHITE..." or "I'M NOT RACIST BUT..." doesn't make you're argument any more valid.

Over ten pages of arguing about this???? WHAT THE--??

@Caligula said:

                    @cascadeking09 said:

                    In case I'm not being clear enough changing a character's race is WRONG if the change is only to add another character of a certain race, but there isn't anything wrong with casting the right actor for the right role. Perry's character doesn't revolve around being a caucasian american. His role is editor and chief of the daily planet, he's not even the most important character in the movie so I don't see any reason for his race being brought up at all.

                   

               

what's wrong with wanting a character to resemble the comic version?

                   

               

Aprently its racist.Well in some lefty fascism forced diversity way .Funny forced diversity causes problems .If people just let things be we would have diversity naturaly.But nooo some people know better!They have to look down on us an feel sorry for us poor unenlightended folk .  But i digress your kicking illogical but imho.Your not the only one who sees comics as a source material should be respected Or who has a love of comic history.Shame Warner Brothers never has had that :/  Keep up the good fight.

I saw this posted on other sites yesterday and I knew it would be just as controversial as the Ultimate Spider-Man thing. Ah, it's nice to see the racism of other fanboys (Sarcasm). Also, just because you say "I'M NOT WHITE..." or "I'M NOT RACIST BUT..." doesn't make you're argument any more valid.

I'm never going to understand race changes in comic adaptation movies.They could have gotten a white man to play this part no problem.If we're going to do the whole "affirmative action\filling the quota of minority characters" thing then how about putting characters in the movie that are ACTUALLY black instead of making a race change?

@Marshal Victory said:

@cdeoleo said:

As I keep reading this conversation it just make me more and more sad. Come guys I really thought we were past this, guess I was being naive. Unless the fans are okay with comics wont ever be diverse, it is apparent from yesterday and today that most fans are not okay with Diversity.

Seriously we wount have diversity an fans arent ok with diversity you say? Lets try this the whole forced diveristy , pandering bs then i hope your right but we have diveristy in comics.

rember http://www.comicvine.com/night-thrasher/29-2098/ an the New Warriors? no? how about http://www.comicvine.com/patriot/29-2258/ an http://www.comicvine.com/young-avengers/65-40426/ ?

wait you missed when http://www.comicvine.com/storm/29-1444/ lead the xmen?


http://www.comicvine.com/shadowhawk/29-5195/ oh wait did you just mean at dc?

http://www.comicvine.com/mr-terrific/29-19179/ pre newdcu crisis of infinate zero thngy..
http://www.comicvine.com/justice-society-of-america/49-18052/ was pretty diverse
http://www.comicvine.com/batwoman/29-9052/
http://www.comicvine.com/renee-montoya/29-3716/
http://www.comicvine.com/teen-titans/65-19081/ an im not even trying hard. Even the people who run this site is rather diverse./shrug maybe um look around a bit?Just a thought..

10-20 examples out of 59,006 characters in the database. How many more do you reckon there are? (excluding the ten or so ducks there seem to be).

EDIT: Not meant to be standoffish, I'm genuinely curious.

I'm never going to understand race changes in comic adaptation movies.They could have gotten a white man to play this part no problem.If we're going to do the whole "affirmative action\filling the quota of minority characters" thing then how about putting characters in the movie that are ACTUALLY black instead of making a race change?

@Caligula: Hey, ass, I wasn't referring to you!

Let me ask all of you a question.  If I walk up to a white man/women/child/etc and I stab them in the fucking face with a fork what happens?  They bleed, and probably get pretty pissed off.  What color is that blood?  Red.  Now if I walk up to a black/asian/mexican/spanish/italian/you get the point man/women/child/etc and stab THEM in the face with the same fork what happens?  Guess what, THEY FUCKING BLEED TOO.  Guess what people, it is a NON ISSUE.  Just because they have a darker or different skin tone then what the character has been for years it shouldn't matter.  ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE that get's pissed about this, can claim it's not racism, and they probably believe it to, but it is at the end of the day.  Sorry, but it's true.  Who gives a shit, he's a good actor.  so what the fuck is the point of being all pissed about it.  Did it take away from the Matrix that he was black?  No.  It took away from it because it sucked, but that wasn't due to his skin color.  Grow up, this is a waste of time and effort to spend this much time pissed about something like this.  Fucking a.

@Vance Astro: It's been said. With that being said and resaid I'm taking one HUGE step back from this thread turning around and walking away. Soon as I saw the race thing being brought up my first thought was.
 

  But I made the mistake of posting first. 

                    @Marshal Victory said:

@Caligula said:

                    @cascadeking09 said:

                    In case I'm not being clear enough changing a character's race is WRONG if the change is only to add another character of a certain race, but there isn't anything wrong with casting the right actor for the right role. Perry's character doesn't revolve around being a caucasian american. His role is editor and chief of the daily planet, he's not even the most important character in the movie so I don't see any reason for his race being brought up at all.

                   

               

what's wrong with wanting a character to resemble the comic version?

                   

               

Aprently its racist.Well in some lefty fascism forced diversity way .Funny forced diversity causes problems .If people just let things be we would have diversity naturaly.But nooo some people know better!They have to look down on us an feel sorry for us poor unenlightended folk .  But i digress your kicking illogical but imho.Your not the only one who sees comics as a source material should be respected Or who has a love of comic history.Shame Warner Brothers never has had that :/  Keep up the good fight.

                   

               

Mind pointing out where in my post that I said it was racist to not want Perry White or any character that isn't african american to be played by one? I never said that.

                   

               

@cdeoleo said:

                    As I keep reading this conversation it just make me more and more sad. Come guys I really thought we were past this, guess I was being naive.  Unless the fans are okay with comics wont ever be diverse, it is apparent from yesterday and today that most fans are not okay with Diversity.

                   

               

Seriously we wount have diversity an fans arent ok with diversity you say? Lets try this the whole forced diveristy , pandering bs then i hope your right but we have diveristy in comics. 
 
rember http://www.comicvine.com/night-thrasher/29-2098/  an the New Warriors? no? how about  http://www.comicvine.com/patriot/29-2258/ an http://www.comicvine.com/young-avengers/65-40426/ ? 
 
wait you missed when http://www.comicvine.com/storm/29-1444/ lead the xmen? 
 

http://www.comicvine.com/shadowhawk/29-5195/  oh wait did you just mean at dc? 
 
http://www.comicvine.com/mr-terrific/29-19179/ pre newdcu crisis of infinate zero thngy.. 
http://www.comicvine.com/justice-society-of-america/49-18052/ was pretty diverse 
http://www.comicvine.com/batwoman/29-9052/ 
http://www.comicvine.com/renee-montoya/29-3716/ 
http://www.comicvine.com/teen-titans/65-19081/  an im not even trying hard.  Even the people who run this site is rather diverse./shrug maybe um look around a bit?Just a thought..