Magneto and Mjolnir?

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#1 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

Was it ever shown if Magneto could manipulate the metal Uru in Thor's hammer?

#2 Posted by Valkaad (2589 posts) - - Show Bio

Andferne says:

"Was it ever shown if Magneto could manipulate the metal Uru in Thor's hammer?"

I don't know for sure, but I think someone would have to be more powerful than Odin to affect Mjolnir and it's enchantments and I just don't think Magneto qualifies.

#3 Posted by Gottheit (3460 posts) - - Show Bio

I ask myself this question every day, along with, "Why do they come to me to die? Why do they come to me to die?"

#4 Posted by Legendary Bio Vishanti (3333 posts) - - Show Bio

Andferne says:

"Was it ever shown if Magneto could manipulate the metal Uru in Thor's hammer?"

What Valkaad said. ^^

Also I doubt he could, it has magic enchantments. And IMO Magic beats Nature.

#5 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

Valkaad says:

"Andferne says:
"Was it ever shown if Magneto could manipulate the metal Uru in Thor's hammer?"
I don't know for sure, but I think someone would have to be more powerful than Odin to affect Mjolnir and it's enchantments and I just don't think Magneto qualifies."

That's what I thought but just wanted to get others opinions on the matter.

Thanx

#6 Posted by Pania (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

Andferne says:

"Was it ever shown if Magneto could manipulate the metal Uru in Thor's hammer?"

To a certain extent. Magneto can both shield himself from Mjolnir (X-Men Vs. Avengers miniseries) and send it back to it's owner when thrown at him (an early Thor comic, I forget the number) that seems to be the utmost of his level of control over it.

#7 Posted by Buckshot (18871 posts) - - Show Bio

Molecule Man destroyed once I think so I'm not sure that just because it's magic it can't be affected by something that isn't.

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#8 Posted by lordraiden (6581 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Molecule Man destroyed once I think so I'm not sure that just because it's magic it can't be affected by something that isn't."

True, but molecule man was only second to the beyonder, anything lesser than that, besides odin, I don't think could or would affect mjolnir! I could be wrong, but thats just the way I see it!

#9 Posted by Buckshot (18871 posts) - - Show Bio

My point is that he wasn't using magic to affect it, so just because Magneto's powers work through "science" doesn't automatically mean there's no way for him to affect Mjolnir if he were to try.

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#10 Posted by lordraiden (6581 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"My point is that he wasn't using magic to affect it, so just because Magneto's powers work through "science" doesn't automatically mean there's no way for him to affect Mjolnir if he were to try."

Yeah, I can't dispute that! it's a possability!

#11 Posted by Valkaad (2589 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"My point is that he wasn't using magic to affect it, so just because Magneto's powers work through "science" doesn't automatically mean there's no way for him to affect Mjolnir if he were to try."

I think he could affect it by changing it's flight, re-directing it, etc. But I don't think his power is great enough to alter it's compostion. I have always seen uru as more of a stone than a metal. Just my opinion.

#12 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

Valkaad says:

"I think he could affect it by changing it's flight, re-directing it, etc. But I don't think his power is great enough to alter it's compostion. I have always seen uru as more of a stone than a metal. Just my opinion."

At least his hammer looks more stone than metal but there are other things purported to be made out of uru that have a metallic look to them, as I recall. Anyway, I dont think there's enough evidence to be able to decide that he isn't powerful enough.

#13 Posted by gray lensman (1 posts) - - Show Bio

yes. in journey into mystery 109 magneto stopped mjoinir with a magnetic forcefield but thor later absorbed that magnetic energy with his hammer

#14 Posted by Legendary Bio Vishanti (3333 posts) - - Show Bio

I've changed my mind.

I think Magneto could at least levitate Mjiolnir. After all, it IS a metal, is it not? Regardless of the magic enchantments.

#15 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

There's also a instance where Thor used Mjolnir to just go through Mag's shield. If you want I'll dig out that issue number.

#16 Posted by sheild (8 posts) - - Show Bio

magneto affected thors hammer in the ultimate universe. i think the comic was ultimate war (x-men vs ultimates)

#17 Posted by Perfect Cell (3470 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, Magneto can control the Hammer of Thors to some extent.

#18 Posted by monaroCountry (15 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes Magneto can affect Mjiolnir im sure ive seen it a long time ago.

#19 Posted by Alpha (7311 posts) - - Show Bio

The hammer is enchanted. He can't lift it by any power. That's the whole point. Not worthy! Can't lift! It never said anything that it had to be by hand.

#20 Edited by Vance Astro (90727 posts) - - Show Bio

Only people I have ever seen do anything against the hammer are.....

Him\Adam Warlock-Hammer was thrown at him..it hit him..did nothing
Ghost Rider-Hammer was thrown at him..he caught it..hit Thor with it
Dr.Doom-used magic to reflect it
Molecule Man-destroyed it
She-Hulk-Hammer was thrown at her..she used Cap's shield to block it.

I have not seen Magneto do anything with it so anyone who claims he can or did needs to show some proof or give some information or something.

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#21 Posted by fesak (6994 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Only people I have ever seen do anything against the hammer are.....
Him\Adam Warlock-Hammer was thrown at him..it hit him..did nothing
Ghost Rider-Hammer was thrown at him..he caught it..hit Thor with it
Dr.Doom-used magic to reflect it
Molecule Man-destroyed it
She-Hulk-Hammer was thrown at her..she used Cap's shield to block it.

I have not seen Magneto do anything with it so anyone who claims he can or did needs to show some proof or give some information or something.

"

The Destroyer destroys it. Journey into Mystery 119
Immortus drains time travel properties from it. Never recovered. Thor 282
Absorbing Man absorbs it. Thor 376
Perrikus cut it in half. Thor v2 11
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#22 Posted by Vance Astro (90727 posts) - - Show Bio
fesak said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Only people I have ever seen do anything against the hammer are.....
Him\Adam Warlock-Hammer was thrown at him..it hit him..did nothing
Ghost Rider-Hammer was thrown at him..he caught it..hit Thor with it
Dr.Doom-used magic to reflect it
Molecule Man-destroyed it
She-Hulk-Hammer was thrown at her..she used Cap's shield to block it.

I have not seen Magneto do anything with it so anyone who claims he can or did needs to show some proof or give some information or something.

"

The Destroyer destroys it. Journey into Mystery 119
Immortus drains time travel properties from it. Never recovered. Thor 282
Absorbing Man absorbs it. Thor 376
Perrikus cut it in half. Thor v2 11
"
Nice...what about Magneto...
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#23 Posted by fesak (6994 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"fesak said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Only people I have ever seen do anything against the hammer are.....
Him\Adam Warlock-Hammer was thrown at him..it hit him..did nothing
Ghost Rider-Hammer was thrown at him..he caught it..hit Thor with it
Dr.Doom-used magic to reflect it
Molecule Man-destroyed it
She-Hulk-Hammer was thrown at her..she used Cap's shield to block it.

I have not seen Magneto do anything with it so anyone who claims he can or did needs to show some proof or give some information or something.

"

The Destroyer destroys it. Journey into Mystery 119
Immortus drains time travel properties from it. Never recovered. Thor 282
Absorbing Man absorbs it. Thor 376
Perrikus cut it in half. Thor v2 11
"
Nice...what about Magneto..."

No clue.
I suspect that the magical enchantment is stronger than Magneto's powers since Uru has great magical properties, and i think Uru is more of a mineral or stone than actual metal.
Magneto might be able to deflect a thrown Mjolnir at best.
I have nothing to back it up with though.
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#24 Posted by Vance Astro (90727 posts) - - Show Bio
fesak said:
"Vance Astro said:
"fesak said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Only people I have ever seen do anything against the hammer are.....
Him\Adam Warlock-Hammer was thrown at him..it hit him..did nothing
Ghost Rider-Hammer was thrown at him..he caught it..hit Thor with it
Dr.Doom-used magic to reflect it
Molecule Man-destroyed it
She-Hulk-Hammer was thrown at her..she used Cap's shield to block it.

I have not seen Magneto do anything with it so anyone who claims he can or did needs to show some proof or give some information or something.

"

The Destroyer destroys it. Journey into Mystery 119
Immortus drains time travel properties from it. Never recovered. Thor 282
Absorbing Man absorbs it. Thor 376
Perrikus cut it in half. Thor v2 11
"
Nice...what about Magneto..."

No clue.
I suspect that the magical enchantment is stronger than Magneto's powers since Uru has great magical properties, and i think Uru is more of a mineral or stone than actual metal.
Magneto might be able to deflect a thrown Mjolnir at best.
I have nothing to back it up with though."
Oh..ok.
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#25 Posted by Pania (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

*sigh*

Guys, this has happened.

Magneto has deflected blows from Mjolnir (X-Men vs. Avengers #1), and he has sent Mjolnir back to it's owner when thrown at him (Journey Into Mystery #109, and I believe an early issues of the Avengers as well, I'd have to look it up).

#26 Posted by Alpha (7311 posts) - - Show Bio
Pania said:
"*sigh*

Guys, this has happened.

Magneto has deflected blows from Mjolnir (X-Men vs. Avengers #1), and he has sent Mjolnir back to it's owner when thrown at him (Journey Into Mystery #109, and I believe an early issues of the Avengers as well, I'd have to look it up)."

Block, of course. Control, I don't think so. His power would have to be greater than Odin's enchantments.
#27 Posted by Vance Astro (90727 posts) - - Show Bio
Pania said:
"*sigh*

Guys, this has happened.

Magneto has deflected blows from Mjolnir (X-Men vs. Avengers #1), and he has sent Mjolnir back to it's owner when thrown at him (Journey Into Mystery #109, and I believe an early issues of the Avengers as well, I'd have to look it up)."
She-Hulk deflected the hammer with Cap's shield..doesn't mean she can control it.The question was can Magneto control the hammer's metal?
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#28 Posted by Alpha (7311 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Pania said:
"*sigh*

Guys, this has happened.

Magneto has deflected blows from Mjolnir (X-Men vs. Avengers #1), and he has sent Mjolnir back to it's owner when thrown at him (Journey Into Mystery #109, and I believe an early issues of the Avengers as well, I'd have to look it up)."
She-Hulk deflected the hammer with Cap's shield..doesn't mean she can control it.The question was can Magneto control the hammer's metal?"

And  I say to thee, Nay!
#29 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

He did that in the Ultimates i guess

#30 Posted by Vance Astro (90727 posts) - - Show Bio
Nerx said:
"He did that in the Ultimates i guess"
I don't think so.
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#31 Posted by Alpha (7311 posts) - - Show Bio
Nerx said:
"He did that in the Ultimates i guess"

Yes he did. But Thor isn't  as powerful there, so I don't think the hammer is as well.
#32 Posted by Pania (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, When Magneto directed it back to it's owner in Journey Into Mystery, I think that shows some level of control.

Do I think he can reshape the Uru of Thor's Hammer? No. That's where the magic comes in, but he has shown some control over it.

#33 Edited by yodagod (2192 posts) - - Show Bio

Magneto's shields are strong enough to take a direct blow from Mjolnir and She Hulk simultaneously. (This is Magneto at his weakest when he was headmaster of Xavier's school.)

 

Mags controls Mjolnir directly.  (Very early mags appearance.  Magneto was much weaker here than after he was age regressed and reaged.)
 
#34 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - - Show Bio
i think if magneto was trying to lift it from the ground he could manipulate it an do it via a magnetic field.
 
if thor was present he could command his hammer to resist his magnetic field or even absorb it or cancel it out.
 
i dont think Magneto has the power to stop the hammer from returning to thor althou he could slow it down if thor allowed it.
 
basically it comes to thor willing his hammer to put a resistance or immunity... without thor present Magneto could manipulate it
#35 Posted by yodagod (2192 posts) - - Show Bio
@castleking:

Mags can manipulate it even when Thor's holding it.  It's happened a few times including the scan above.
#36 Posted by napoleon (824 posts) - - Show Bio

magneto can only control Thors hammer when thor is holding it (he can not lift it otherwise, because it becomes to heavy even magneto has a limit), but the Hammer has magnetic properties of its own and it can also take magnetos powers away. that said they have fought a few times (Thor wins the majority) but i think if they ever had an all out no holding back fight it could be evenly machted sinse magneto has a reaction time 14 times better than the average human

#37 Posted by darth_fletcher (262 posts) - - Show Bio

did mags use his power to move the hammer along with thor in avengers 401/402 onslaught tie-in?
 
might be mistaken as its been a while since ive read it !!!

#38 Posted by Misterkyle91 (68 posts) - - Show Bio

If he is worthy he should be able to do what he wants with it.

#39 Posted by SC (11979 posts) - - Show Bio

Magneto has used his powers to redirect and move Mjolnir. Its unknown whether there was resistance being applied by Thor. This happened in I believe there first match up. Early Thor run, Thor #104 or near about. As to the extent of which Magneto could manipulate the hammer? I would postulate the more resistance applied by Thor the less, Magneto could move it about physically, as to whether he could reshape it? I'd say, probably not, again depending on how much effort he was exerting. Not in any sense that this would be a practical option he could use against Thor if they ever came to clash. 


I am not sure how other subjects came up, but its probably worth mentioning that Thor and Magneto, as characters don't quite work like on and off light switches. If Thor strikes at Magneto, that is not the minimum, or maximum or consistent value as to which Thor can strike someone at. Likewise this applies to Magneto and almost all other characters. 
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#40 Posted by Wise Son (1772 posts) - - Show Bio
@SC said:
Magneto has used his powers to redirect and move Mjolnir. Its unknown whether there was resistance being applied by Thor. This happened in I believe there first match up. Early Thor run, Thor #104 or near about. As to the extent of which Magneto could manipulate the hammer? I would postulate the more resistance applied by Thor the less, Magneto could move it about physically, as to whether he could reshape it? I'd say, probably not, again depending on how much effort he was exerting. Not in any sense that this would be a practical option he could use against Thor if they ever came to clash. 

I am not sure how other subjects came up, but its probably worth mentioning that Thor and Magneto, as characters don't quite work like on and off light switches. If Thor strikes at Magneto, that is not the minimum, or maximum or consistent value as to which Thor can strike someone at. Likewise this applies to Magneto and almost all other characters. 
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#41 Posted by monsterstudio (41 posts) - - Show Bio


wow for an unliftable hammer it sure seems liftable

 

#42 Posted by Agent9149 (2888 posts) - - Show Bio

isnt there a part where he uses his magnetism to control it ive seen it before..somewhere

#43 Posted by lilron890 (20 posts) - - Show Bio

Well since on the marvel website it says magneto can control all metal i belive he can control thors hammer

#44 Posted by Hoboseid (1022 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimates Magento made a fool of Thor

#45 Posted by beachtruth (6 posts) - - Show Bio

Only certain metals are magnetic, dont know if mystical norse metals count :-/

#46 Posted by Soulstealer (825 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hoboseid said:

Ultimates Magento made a fool of Thor

Ultimate Universe should never come up when dealing with 616. lol

@lilron890 said:

Well since on the marvel website it says magneto can control all metal i belive he can control thors hammer.

I point to Non-ferrous metals. That's not to say that Magneto couldn't do something with them, but that's to say that actively manipulating metals should come on a case by case bases rather than sweeping generalizations. Especially when it comes to metals existent only in the Marvel Universe such as adamantium, vibranium, uru, and the various organic forms of materials that mutants are capable of becoming or being made of.

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#48 Posted by Alex_Tides145210 (73 posts) - - Show Bio

@Soulstealer said:

@Hoboseid said:

Ultimates Magento made a fool of Thor

Ultimate Universe should never come up when dealing with 616. lol

@lilron890 said:

Well since on the marvel website it says magneto can control all metal i belive he can control thors hammer.

I point to Non-ferrous metals. That's not to say that Magneto couldn't do something with them, but that's to say that actively manipulating metals should come on a case by case bases rather than sweeping generalizations. Especially when it comes to metals existent only in the Marvel Universe such as adamantium, vibranium, uru, and the various organic forms of materials that mutants are capable of becoming or being made of.

I agree with that completely

#49 Posted by xerogod (205 posts) - - Show Bio
#50 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4520 posts) - - Show Bio

In ultimate universe I'm sure he's capable of doing a lot with Thors hammer, anything flies in the Ultimate universe.Mainstream 616, magneto's actions are very limited when it comes to Thor.

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