Is he racist = hell yeah
Is he a monster - I dunno he experienced the Jewish extermination camps which probably left his mind pretty messed up and he experienced anti-mutant hate and he does what he does to save his own people
His methods are extreme but there are reasons behind his madness, he's not just a one dimensional villain. From some perspectives he might even seem a little heroic to some mutants
Magneto
Character » Magneto appears in 5894 issues.
Among the most powerful, recognizable, and infamous mutants to inhabit the planet Earth, Magneto was the X-Men's first major nemesis. Now known as a revolutionist and terrorist, Magneto has fought for the X-Men as many times as he’s been against them.
Is Magneto a racist monster?
"@ECH2007 said:The funny part of this debate is both sides are right.
Magneto is written by a racist monster in some venues and by some writers. Just read the Ultimate line, watch the X-Men films, or read Lobdell or Morrison's comic versions of Magneto.
At the same time Claremont and other writers have written a different version of Magneto that doesn't hate humans and is simply fighting to protect his race from abuse and potental genocide.
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"Golden answer.One writers Magneto goes into a burning building to save human women and children from burning alive. (Claremont)
Another writers Magneto herds women and children by the thousands into ovens in New York City. (Morrison)
That shows the level of seperation that exists about what makes Magneto tick amoung the writers. And, from this thread it appears that I was right the same level of seperation exists amoung the fans.
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Of course, he is !
Think about it : He just become what he fear the most to protect himself and those he think he would protect by that.
African are judged poorly by many people, but African can be rascist nontheless if they hate all other people indiscrimnately.
It works with every category of human being you can find on earth : Jew, Asian, Caucasian, African, overweight, blind, Muslim Christian, Pagan or other; it doesn't really matter : by the point you make a global moral judgement by a physical criteria uncontrolled by someone : you're rascist, just face it.
The only way you can judge people is ONE AT THE TIME !
His responses to his past oppression have, yes, become the very thing that he hated.
He's absolutely a racist. It's evolved, however, in response to his past.
It's understandable. Whether it's correct or not, however, is highly debatable.
His views have also been dealt with differently by different writers.
Beast put it well when he defined Magneto as eternally conflicted.
Magneto wants to protect others from what he went through, no matter what.
Erik (Max, Magnus, whatever) realizes the contradiction.
Please ignore my name, at the moment.
" I don't think he is. I believe he just have a different principle which other people would misinterpret. "Wonderful insight.
Saying he's a racist is just utterly stupid. You can't use the word 'race' to describe different skin colors, and also use it to describe all homo sapiens. They are 2 totally different meanings.
It's more like he's a 'speciesist'.
" Saying he's a racist is just utterly stupid. You can't use the word 'race' to describe different skin colors, and also use it to describe all homo sapiens. They are 2 totally different meanings. It's more like he's a 'speciesist'. "Mutants aren't really a different species from humans though. For all intents and purposes they are humans that have a different gene. If they really were different species then humans and mutants wouldn't be able to reproduce with each other.
Technically mutants are a sub-species. If different species cannot reproduce with each other how do you explain donkeys? Or ligers? Or marozi? Or leopons? Or doglas? Or pumapards?
@Edamame said:
I'm aware that it says race. I used the word species to draw a distinction between the 2 ways that the word 'race' is being used. I'm aware that mutants are human, but they are different enough to be considered a subspecies.
Let me revise my point. Race can refer to ethnicity, or in Magneto's case, genetics. So yes, Magneto is a genetic racist. While people like KKK or Nazis are ethnic racists. I just don't like the idea of grouping him into the same category as those kinds of people. There is a distinction between the two types that should be noted.
Race can be a synonym for subspecies and you're agreeing that a mutants and humans could be considered different races. You just don't like the idea of grouping him with Nazis or the KKK. I really don't see the distinction.
he is racist, but he isnt a monster because he wishes no harm to mankind. the world he seeks to create is a unified world with segregated with mutants incharge, but for the beterment of all mankind and mutantkind. a world were there is no war and no starvation were most importantly humans cant hurt mutants
If by "racist" you mean he's been depicted as hating a group of people solely for their genetics, and by "monster" you mean he's killed such people even when they weren't a threat to him or "his people", then yes, he's a racist monster. Or at least, was at some point. Is it realistic to have him portrayed as not being one now? I dunno. Whatever he is now, once upon a time, he was a man with a god complex who didn't shrink from the deed of marooning a bunch of astronauts to die in space just because they were born human. Was he shaped by the events of his childhood into such a monster? Perhaps, but he's still a thinking individual capable of making his own choices, and owning responsibility for his own actions.
Even IF he's considered to be racist, can you blame him?
I mean one, if I could do what he could do, I'd consider myself to be superior to the average man,and two, he grew up during the friggin Holocaust. If he's racist, I think he's got a good reason to be.
But that's just me.
That said, I wonder if Apocalypse can be fairly regarded as a racist (he's unquestionably a monster), given that his credo is basically "kill the weak". This does not necessarily mean that he kills only humans, or thinks that all humans are weak (super-powered humans, for example). Heck, he's even elevated non-mutants to let them serve him if he thought them "worthy". I know this was kinda unrelated, but I saw your comment about it earlier, and it got me thinking.
Magneto had has human love interest before, Magda, Lee Forrester and I think he accepts Kavito Rao being on Utopia.
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