Multiple Man would beat Batman the hell up.

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Posted by eldestrisk (623 posts) - - Show Bio

Madrox must surely will win in a fight with Batman.

#1 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8642 posts) - - Show Bio

only in his dreams

#2 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29332 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh.... doubt it.

#3 Posted by jordama (4225 posts) - - Show Bio

I think i understand where you are coming from, but as far as i know, Batman has taken down large masses of trained opponents.
#4 Posted by daveydavey (359 posts) - - Show Bio

Madrox for the win!

#5 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8642 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman has taken down whole gangs of better fighters then Madrox, it wouldn't even be a contest.

#6 Posted by Ninja Nova (121 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman would definitely win this battle...if you wanna call it that. :) 
BTW, I have nothing against Jamie.

#7 Posted by Mutant X (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

Nahh....

#8 Posted by iBot (55 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman would figure out a way to stop Madrox.

#9 Posted by jordama (4225 posts) - - Show Bio

how would he beat madrox? every hit would just make another madrox. and he wouldn't kill madrox, so how would he beat him?

#10 Posted by Lady Tlieso (10198 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Madrox might beat by wearing him out. Batman can't fight large numbers forever eventually he's going to get to tired to continue.

#11 Posted by Green Skin (2932 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not so sure Batman would win here.  One of Madrox's dupes was a  Shao-Lin monk and last I checked he can now create hundreds of dupes (incident at Hydro Base).  So can Batman really take down a mob of hundreds of Shaolin Monks?   Not to mention that any strike will just create more dupes.
 
I don't think he could.  It doesn't matter how good of a fighter you are, there comes a point where you just get overwhelmed.  A great example of this is Deathstroke in Identity Crisis.  Sure Slade could beat down anyone in that JLA team, but he still got mobbed anyway.  

#12 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8642 posts) - - Show Bio
@Green Skin: Batman, smart as he is wouldn't just try to outpunch an swarm of Madrox clones. He'd study his enemy and since he's hundreds of miles smarter the Madrox could ever dream to be, he'd win without much effort.
 
The only way Madrox could beat Batman was if he managed to surprise him and mob pile him. Even then, Batman has escaped much worst traps on many occasions. 
 
Bruce Wayne doesn't go down to enemies below his caliber.
#13 Posted by doordoor123 (3721 posts) - - Show Bio

Multiple Man could take over the world.

#14 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio

no

#15 Posted by eldestrisk (623 posts) - - Show Bio

Everyone is so sure to say that Batman is smarter than Madrox (I can't deny that Bruce Wayne is a genius), but I think you are failing to see the Madrox potential, his dupes had learned some fighting skills, so is not like he would just throw blind punches. Obviously Batman would figure a way, but Madrox won't just accept it. I can't assure Madrow will win, but definitely it will be something interesting to watch. =)

#16 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

#17 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8642 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son_of_Magnus:  lol that episode was funny as hell
#18 Edited by Green Skin (2932 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach said:


At what point in this fight would Batman be studying him?  This is just a generic fight and Batman has no knowledge of Madroxs abilities.  Let's not forget that Madrox isn't just some idiot.  When he sent his dupes out he gained all the knowledge that they did when they were reabsorbed.    So he's been a Shaolin Monk, Shield Agent, master detective, Olympic athlete, etc etc.   
 
Plus the harder he is hit, the more dupes are created, so Bats could be heavily outnumbered very quickly.  He can also effectively heal injuried by creating more dupes.  Lets face it he's got a lot more skill than most people give him credit for, combine that with the fact that he is leiterally a one man army.    Face it Bats would be in trouble here, and no one has provided an argument to the contrary. The argument that "Batman will find a way!" Or "Batman wins." are just stupid and a waste.  So are we to believe that Batman would win just becuase he has more fans? Or is someone going to step up with a solid argument?
#19 Posted by eldestrisk (623 posts) - - Show Bio
@Green Skin: Yeah!! =)
#20 Posted by danhimself (21916 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman may accidentally create some dupes himself but after a few minutes he'll realize how the dupes are created and just gas Madrox and knock him out

#21 Posted by RiddlingGambit (204 posts) - - Show Bio

A whiff of bat-gas & Madrox is down for the 10-count. Adam West Batman would win. Any other Batman would lose to Multiple Man. The truth has been spoken!

#22 Posted by Green Skin (2932 posts) - - Show Bio

Can't gas Madrox if he creates more dupes. It'll spread the dose over the dupes effectively negating it.  Plus lets not forget, Shaolin Monk, Shield Agent and Olympian, he's more than capable of evading the gas and/or holding his breath.  Not to mention there'd be more than a few dupes by this point, so what if he gases one.

#23 Posted by 123422 (1013 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, Bats will be winning, at least til he gets tired, then the Madri will take 'im down

#24 Posted by Vance Astro (90727 posts) - - Show Bio

If Batman wants to be an @sshole he could just choke the sh#t out of Madrox.That won't create dupes.

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#25 Posted by Mokey (188 posts) - - Show Bio

If Batman and Madrox were in the same Universe, Batman would already have a contingency plan to take him down.

#26 Posted by jordama (4225 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro:

Wouldn't Batman have an issue with killing even a dupe?
#27 Posted by spiderguylll (620 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman's overrated and yes, he'd get that @$$ whooped

#28 Posted by karrob (4267 posts) - - Show Bio
@Green Skin said:
" @Crom-Cruach said:


At what point in this fight would Batman be studying him?  This is just a generic fight and Batman has no knowledge of Madroxs abilities.  Let's not forget that Madrox isn't just some idiot.  When he sent his dupes out he gained all the knowledge that they did when they were reabsorbed.    So he's been a Shaolin Monk, Shield Agent, master detective, Olympic athlete, etc etc.     Plus the harder he is hit, the more dupes are created, so Bats could be heavily outnumbered very quickly.  He can also effectively heal injuried by creating more dupes.  Lets face it he's got a lot more skill than most people give him credit for, combine that with the fact that he is leiterally a one man army.    Face it Bats would be in trouble here, and no one has provided an argument to the contrary. The argument that "Batman will find a way!" Or "Batman wins." are just stupid and a waste.  So are we to believe that Batman would win just becuase he has more fans? Or is someone going to step up with a solid argument? "
I def agree!
#29 Posted by karrob (4267 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" If Batman wants to be an @sshole he could just choke the sh#t out of Madrox.That won't create dupes. "
Wouldnt Madrox be able to hit Batman and make dupes to beat the bat shyt out of Bruce. There is a way to beat Jamie but its sure as hell not by physical force. 
#30 Posted by Vance Astro (90727 posts) - - Show Bio
@jordama said:
" @Vance Astro: Wouldn't Batman have an issue with killing even a dupe? "
You don't have to kill someone to choke them out.
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#31 Posted by Vance Astro (90727 posts) - - Show Bio
@karrob said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" If Batman wants to be an @sshole he could just choke the sh#t out of Madrox.That won't create dupes. "
Wouldnt Madrox be able to hit Batman and make dupes to beat the bat shyt out of Bruce. There is a way to beat Jamie but its sure as hell not by physical force.  "
Choking is barely a physical attack.And it only takes a few seconds to put someone to sleep.
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#32 Posted by jordama (4225 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro:
all madrox would have to do is stomp his foot and there would be another him
#33 Posted by jayshaw (48 posts) - - Show Bio

no one can come with a solid strategy for batman. you cant just say he'll win and not explain how. I like batman more than madrox, but chances are bats would lose to him mainly because he'd be overwhelmed. 

#34 Posted by The WeatherMan (3214 posts) - - Show Bio

Once again, not if Batman has a plan. Even if he didn't and went all out, I'm sure he could handle himself.
#35 Posted by Green Skin (2932 posts) - - Show Bio
@The WeatherMan said:
" Once again, not if Batman has a plan. Even if he didn't and went all out, I'm sure he could handle himself. "
So Batman wins by Deus ex Machina?  Lame argument.
#36 Posted by jordama (4225 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah just saying "Batman is awesome, he always wins" is not really a cogent argument.
#37 Posted by The WeatherMan (3214 posts) - - Show Bio

It's generally referred to as the "Bat-factor". If Batman formulates a plan against Madrox before the fight, he would very likely come out the victor.
#38 Posted by karrob (4267 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" @karrob said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" If Batman wants to be an @sshole he could just choke the sh#t out of Madrox.That won't create dupes. "
Wouldnt Madrox be able to hit Batman and make dupes to beat the bat shyt out of Bruce. There is a way to beat Jamie but its sure as hell not by physical force.  "
Choking is barely a physical attack.And it only takes a few seconds to put someone to sleep. "
True but in a few seconds Madrox could have multiple dupes from trying to fend off the choke. 
#39 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio
@The WeatherMan said:
"If Batman formulates a plan against Madrox before the fight, he would very likely come out the victor. "
You could say the exact same thing about Madrox.
#40 Posted by The WeatherMan (3214 posts) - - Show Bio
@Korg:
Not really. If they both had time to formulate a plan, I'm sure Batman would anticipate Madrox's moves and have counters for them. Why? Cause he's the goddamn BATMAN! lol
#41 Edited by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio
@The WeatherMan said:

" @Korg: Not really. If they both had time to formulate a plan,"

If they both have time to formulate a plan, the scenario has diverged from the one I replied to.        
 

@The WeatherMan

said:

" Cause he's the goddamn BATMAN! lol "

Yeah, Batman is pretty unimpressive. People hype up his ability to use prep time, yet he is never prepared for whoever is breaking out of Arkham on any given week. Batman is vastly overrated. He still has no solution for most of his own rogues gallery. He has let Joker kill thousands. Prep did not save their lives, and Batman was unable to anticipate any of it. If he did anticipate it, he was unable to stop it from happening.
#42 Posted by karrob (4267 posts) - - Show Bio
@Korg said:
" @The WeatherMan said:

" @Korg: Not really. If they both had time to formulate a plan,"

If they both have time to formulate a plan, the scenario has diverged from the one I replied to.        
 @The WeatherMan said:

" Cause he's the goddamn BATMAN! lol "

Yeah, Batman is pretty unimpressive. People hype up his ability to use prep time, yet he is never prepared for whoever is breaking out of Arkham on any given week. Batman is vastly overrated. He still has no solution for most of his own rogues gallery. He has let Joker kill thousands. Prep did not save their lives, and Batman seemingly was unable to anticipate any of it. If he did anticipate it, he was unable to stop it from happening. "
Well said
#43 Posted by GT-Man (4054 posts) - - Show Bio

YAH if he dodge all his attaks and KOed him that would be cool
#44 Posted by The WeatherMan (3214 posts) - - Show Bio
@Korg:

If you want to talk about Joker specifically, he is absolutely insane, there is never a solid plan or a way to anticipate his moves. You just know he is going to kill people.  
 
As far as other rogues are concerned, Batman doesn't have a plan for them to never break out, Arkham Asylum isn't being run by him, but when rogues do break out, he usually gets them back. He does have other things to do, he can't sit in front of Arkham Asylum all day and night, just in case someone else breaks out. But when he is focused on a task, he always accomplished it with bravado. 
 
Also, if the villains never broke out, the stories would be pretty boring. Batman is one of my favorite characters and obviously he isn't one of yours, so I don't believe we will see eye to eye.
#45 Edited by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio
@The WeatherMan said:

" If you want to talk about Joker specifically, he is absolutely insane, there is never a solid plan or a way to anticipate his moves. You just know he is going to kill people."

So logically, the only thing to do is put him in a revolving-door asylum, and wait for him to kill again! Brilliant! 
 
@The WeatherMan said:

"Arkham Asylum isn't being run by him"

True. It is run by people who are not equipped to deal with the inmates Batman brings them. Maybe he should lend them a hand, and use some of his massive prep skills to build in some security that would be proactive. 
 
@The WeatherMan said:

" when rogues do break out, he usually gets them back."

Yes, usually after they have gone on a rampage, causing massive property damage, and killing innocent people.
 
@The WeatherMan said:

" But when he is focused on a task, he always accomplished it with bravado"

Maybe he should focus on a way to incarcerate his psychotic playmates which will prevent them from escaping on a regular basis. 
 
@The WeatherMan said:

" Also, if the villains never broke out, the stories would be pretty boring."

I'm not saying no one should ever break out (although surely Batman could design a prison from which there is no escape). I'm saying it shouldn't be a weekly occurrence. It happens so frequently there is hardly any point in locking them up in the first place. It gives the impression that Batman just likes punching people, and feeling clever. It doesn't give the impression that he is a great hero who has Gotham's best interests at heart.
 
@The WeatherMan said:

" Batman is one of my favorite characters and obviously he isn't one of yours"

That's a poor assumption to make. I like Batman as a character. I dislike a lot of the plot contrivances that surround him constantly.
#46 Posted by The WeatherMan (3214 posts) - - Show Bio
@Korg:
The logical thing to do would be to kill Joker, but that is against Batman's code of honor. Plus, killing off such a brilliant villain isn't the smartest thing a writer could do. Joker is a gift that keeps on giving in terms of villany.  
Arkham Asylum isn't on Batman, that on Arkham staff. If they need protection, they can ask for from him. 
Again, Batman isn't there when they break out, and if they are causing massive property damage, I'm sure Batman would easily find them. If not, Batman gets on their trail and finds them. He might not have ways to prevent them from breaking out, but he is very adept at taking out each individual rogue quickly and proficently.  
Also, plot contrivances are fault of a writer, and breaking out a villain with a new plot is easier than making a new villain with a fresh angle that challenges Batman.
#47 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio
@The WeatherMan said:
"The logical thing to do would be to kill Joker, but that is against Batman's code of honor."
Is it against his code of honor to see to it that he is imprisoned in a place he won't escape from the next day? 
 
@The WeatherMan said:
"Arkham Asylum isn't on Batman, that on Arkham staff."
It is on Batman. He is the one who puts them in there. He is the one who subdues them in the first place, using methods that Arkham staff have no way of reproducing.
 
@The WeatherMan said:
"if they are causing massive property damage, I'm sure Batman would easily find them."
I'm sure anyone could easily find them. The problem his, he is reacting, instead of being proactive, which is what he is supposed to be so great at (prep). 
 
@The WeatherMan said:
" he is very adept at taking out each individual rogue quickly and proficently"
No, he isn't. This is why Joker has a kill count in the thousands. 
 
@The WeatherMan said:
"plot contrivances are fault of a writer
I'm well aware of this. 
 
@The WeatherMan said:
"breaking out a villain with a new plot is easier than making a new villain with a fresh angle that challenges Batman. "
And as we all know, the easiest way is always the best.
#48 Posted by The WeatherMan (3214 posts) - - Show Bio
@Korg:
See, all the faults you bring up are faults of the writers, not the character of Batman. Maybe a Batman writer didn't think it would be a good idea to have Batman upgrade Arkham so that villains would not escape, I can't give you a straight answer on that, but Batman isn't the preventor, he is a response. He is great at responding and countering the moves of his rogues, not preventing them from breaking out. Also, villains don't always break out on their own, a lot of times they have sophisticated help from the outside, which cannot always be anticipated. 
Joker is unpredictable, which is why Batman doesn't exactly have a prep for him and is why he is his arch nemesis.
#49 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio
@The WeatherMan: The same writers are responsible for his prodigious use of prep time, and all his high-end feats. You are saying he can handle Madrox because of prep, when he can't even keep his own rogues in check. It's a crutch that people fall back on every single time Batman is put up against anyone on the forums. How would he use prep to beat Madrox? Let's back up a bit.
 
@The WeatherMan
said:
" If they both had time to formulate a plan, I'm sure Batman would anticipate Madrox's moves and have counters for them. Why? Cause he's the goddamn BATMAN! "
Why would Batman be able to anticipate Madrox's moves? Why would he have counters for them? Because he's Batman? I realize you are probably half-joking, but that's an incredibly weak argument that people use all the time.
#50 Posted by The WeatherMan (3214 posts) - - Show Bio
@Korg:
Yeah, I was. But if he was given time to prepare, knowing he was going to fight Madrox, who is a multiplier, he would win. Something that has an area effect, like gas, while Batman wears a mask, or flashbangs to stun the mass, then take them out physically, while they are stunned. Batman only has to take out the original Madrox to win and hand to hand Batman is far more formidable than Madrox.

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