Was she always bad?

#1 Posted by x-men codename: Phoenix (47 posts) - - Show Bio

Was Madelyne Pryor always evil or was there a certain time where she was turned evil?

#2 Posted by Zanatos (8 posts) - - Show Bio

She is a character that sways from good to evil (and vice-versa).  Originally she was good, but a pawn of Mr. Sinister.  Then she went evil, attacked Jean, and died.  Then she was a shell and good as an ally of X-Man, and now she is a shell but bad and leader of the sisterhood.

#3 Posted by War Killer (19867 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zanatos said:
"She is a character that sways from good to evil (and vice-versa).  Originally she was good, but a pawn of Mr. Sinister.  Then she went evil, attacked Jean, and died.  Then she was a shell and good as an ally of X-Man, and now she is a shell but bad and leader of the sisterhood."
Hmmmmm...so is that a yes?
#4 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio

She wasn't evil until Scott abandoned her. After that she snapped. It's understandable, it was a dick move on his part.

#5 Edited by Dane (10587 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah, they were married and eventually had children - Cable. He dumped her when he found out she was a clone and the real Jean was alive etc and she went nuts.

The recent issue of Uncanny lends weight to the argument that the leader of the Sisterhood isn't Madelyne Pryor btw, if she was Made (a clone of Jean) she would already have access to Jean's genetic data, as it is hers also.

#6 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
@Korg said:
"She wasn't evil until Marvel decided that Claremont writing Cyclops out of the X-Books was unacceptable and decided to bring back Scott and Jean.  With Jean back, they needed Maddie gone and what better way to get rid of somebody than make them go completely crazy to justify a massive crossover where they can eventually kill the character off.
Fixed it for you.
 
@Korg said:
"Scott abandoned her. it was a dick move on his part. "
Totally agree.
#7 Posted by Truex (460 posts) - - Show Bio

After Scott left her, and Cable was kidnapped she hooked up with Havok. She didn't turn evil until after she accidentally sold her soul her soul to S'ym

#8 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

S'ym was a bamf back in the day, breaking adamantium and killing Colossus.

#9 Posted by Truex (460 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't S'ym kill everyone except Storm?

#10 Posted by xerox_kitty (15761 posts) - - Show Bio
@Truex said:
" Didn't S'ym kill everyone except Storm? "
He killed Colossus in an alternate future, and the body was left in Limbo to torment Illyana.  Nightcrawler was turned into a snivelling demon servant, Kitty became half demon-cat with a 'kill everything that moves' attitude, and Storm became a witch who tried to teach Illyana good magic.

Cyclops ditched Maddy & baby Cable as soon as he heard Jean had come back to life.  Maddy then went on the run as the Marauders were sent to kill her, which is when the X-Men found her in San Francisco.  Her relationship with Havok wasn't instant... but did lead to him wearing the worst outfit in comics history (as the Goblin Prince during Inferno).  

But as a clone, Maddy only gained conscious thought when Phoenix sacrificed herself on the moon.  Phoenix sought out Jean's body cocooned on the floor of Jamaica Bay.  Jean unconsciously rejected the Phoenix, and therefore it was drawn to her genetic clone.  The contact with the Phoenix gave Maddy life, and also gave her powers.  She subconsciously caused Cyclops' defeat when he battled powerless Storm for the leadership of the X-Men, as she resented him spending so much time with them.  It was pretty much an unhappy marriage as soon as they tied the knot... but that still didn't excuse the way that Cyclops just walked out the door.
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#11 Posted by PeppRmintBUDy (5 posts) - - Show Bio

Madelyne was a good character until that boring idiot Cyclops abandoned her and there child. She grew to resent/hate him (and Jean) for destroying their family and that hatred drove her insane. This process also awakened her latent mutant powers (telepathy and telekinesis). Then the demon N'astirh used that pain to turn her evil (into the Goblin Queen) and also boosted her power using black magic...the rest is history i guess...

#12 Posted by VtwinsV (25 posts) - - Show Bio

who do you guys like better jean grey or madelyne pryor?

#13 Posted by IcePrince_X (4842 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean of course but I pity Madelyne Pryor

#14 Posted by xerox_kitty (15761 posts) - - Show Bio

Can we not turn this into another brain dead 'i love jean all telepaths wish they cud b her xcuz shes so cool an they all hos' thread, please.

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#15 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
VtwinsV said:
who do you guys like better jean grey or madelyne pryor?
Maddie.
#16 Posted by Quintus_Knightfall (84372 posts) - - Show Bio
xerox_kitty said:
Can we not turn this into another brain dead 'i love jean all telepaths wish they cud b her xcuz ... [more]
LOL
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#17 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio
xerox_kitty said:
Can we not turn this into another brain dead 'i love jean all telepaths wish they cud b her xcuz ... [more]
To be fair, Madelyne's recent portrayals kind of play right into that. It's only going to get worse from here, considering the direction Fraction is taking things in.
#18 Posted by xerox_kitty (15761 posts) - - Show Bio
Korg said:
xerox_kitty said: Can we not turn this into another brain dead 'i love jean all telepaths wish they cud b ... [more]
I don't mind the original subject of the thread.  It's certain members who are over-enthusiastic with their love of Jean Grey that they love to bash all other telepathic characters in a childish manner that I object to.

Personally, I'm confused with this whole 'Red Queen' ordeal.  Some say she's not Maddie, others say she is.  It doesn't help that with Greg Land, it's impossible to tell if she's meant to look like Maddie & Jean or not.  I wasn't keen on when they resurrected her to mess around with Nate Grey, but if this is Maddie as the Red Queen then I'm absolutely gonna hate Fraction's decharacterisation even more... which I didn't think was possible ;)
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#19 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio

Fraction is taking the book to places I just will not follow. As I said, it will only get worse. I fully expect to see Jean Grey again in the next couple months. Fraction/Land has been horrible for Uncanny.

#20 Posted by kiss_lamia (1247 posts) - - Show Bio

is madie still trapped in body of that woman that wasn't jean in the end? i can't remember lol

#21 Posted by Retro_Metro (368 posts) - - Show Bio

She was abandoned by Scott as his first love interest,had a infant, clone of Jean,was good.

#22 Posted by SC (12508 posts) - - Show Bio

Poor Maddy. She wasn't always bad, very awesomely, she was rather normal, so not really good or bad, (well most people by default are good so) 
 
Her first couple of early issues, paint her as a pretty kind and stand up character. Very likable. I read X-Men in chronological order so really had no idea what she would become, it may have tainted how I approached her. I wonder if other people will ask a similar question of Bishop if he never gets redeemed. 

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#23 Posted by Cherry Bomb (3189 posts) - - Show Bio

 
I really like Madelyne!  (: just putting it out there. 
I thought she was a good villain and when she created the Sisterhood was one of my fave comic moments :D

#24 Edited by kiss_lamia (1247 posts) - - Show Bio

As for who i liked better maddy has to take the trophy girl did most of the x-men's job without powers! She was basically forge or beast in the australian out back fortress they had before they went were gonna derail her completely! Even crazy she was a better character, her quotes were amazing too lol!  her odd resurrection in x-man i liked, that maddy up until she was impersonated by imposter jean!  Also her current sisterhood i only liked it coz it reminded me of inferno maddy, but it tottally sucked timeline wise as maddy was on good terms with cyclops and cable the last time she was seen. She was totally out of character in the sisterhood arc, unless there gonna use the split personality thing and say x-man maddy was non crazy maddy and sisterhood was her goblin queen persona. i personally hope someone takes over who bliming does there research!! stupid writers not doing background checks on there selected characters really annoy's me! ok rant over ROFL!

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