Monet St. Croix Tie-breaker

#1 Edited by Chesapeake (2210 posts) - - Show Bio

Since Monet St. Croix has been a regular of the Mutant World (X-Men´s Universe). She has been feature into two mainly X-books which are Generation X and X-Factor. In which of these books has her characther better portrait?

(Number of Appearances : Generation X, 66 issues; X-Factor , 66 issues)

#2 Posted by jrock85 (2874 posts) - - Show Bio

She wasn't as sanctimonious in Gen X.

BTW, why is she now in her 20s while Jubilee is still between 17 and 18?

#3 Posted by PowerHerc (78172 posts) - - Show Bio

I like the character, but I haven't read the newer X-Factor title so I don't know how well she's been portrayed in it.

#4 Posted by kamionero (311 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmmmm tough choice!!! I'd have to say X-factor. Gen X, frankly, was too messy with the sisters and Hollow, I didnt particularly enjoy that. However, all that was great to give her character depth and make her all that much more interesting later. So basically X-factor wins cause u get to reap what was sown in Gen X essentially, and play with the character a bit.

I only wish Husk and Chamber had been so lucky! :P

#5 Posted by Osiris1428 (1349 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that more character development has happened to the character in X-Factor.

#6 Posted by jubilee042 (1353 posts) - - Show Bio

i think x factor

#7 Posted by Zaber (263 posts) - - Show Bio

X-Factor

#8 Posted by Ryonslaught (1237 posts) - - Show Bio

I preferred Generation-X at least there she was portrayed as arguably one of the teams most powerful members. Sure the convolution with her family was ......weird but in X-factor she's far too background for me. X-factor is great but as a Monet fan it lacks something.....

#9 Posted by difficlus (10678 posts) - - Show Bio

@Chesapeake: Good topic, however i've barely read either book to make such an opinion.

Pixielized knows more about Monet than most people here, i'd like to hear what he thinks...

#10 Posted by PrinceIMC (5421 posts) - - Show Bio

Generation X established her as a teenager, X-Factor has established her as a 20 something who's seen some weird stuff. I'd say X-Factor though.

#11 Posted by TheCheeseStabber (7221 posts) - - Show Bio

X Factor

#12 Posted by John Valentine (16270 posts) - - Show Bio

X-Factor.

#13 Posted by Logan X (66 posts) - - Show Bio

By far Generation X. Don't like her in X-Factor.

#14 Posted by Iron_Lad (315 posts) - - Show Bio

Gen-X. She was a kind of oddball, mysterious character back then, which made her cool imo.

#15 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38849 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zaber said:

X-Factor

#16 Posted by Lifeguard85 (392 posts) - - Show Bio

X-Factor

She is still uber powerful IMO, but her personality seems to prevent her from being a front-line super hero. And I kind of like it that way. She would have been lost in the background of any other x-book.

Plus, I think M was supposed to be at least 1 year older than Jubes in Gen-X. But Jubilee definitely should have aged at least a little, now that she has a vampire they have an excuse not to age her lol

#17 Posted by Squares (3124 posts) - - Show Bio

@Chesapeake said:

Since Monet St. Croix has been a regular of the Mutant World (X-Men´s Universe). She has been feature into two mainly X-books which are Generation X and X-Factor. In which of these books has her characther better portrait?

(Number of Appearances : Generation X, 66 issues; X-Factor , 66 issues)

You could write that better as:

Monet St. Croix has made regular appearances within the x-men universe for some time, throughout a number of titles, mainly within Generation X and X-factor. Which do you think depicted her better?

#18 Posted by CATPANEXE (9366 posts) - - Show Bio

X-Factor, but no love lost for the former either.

#19 Posted by Squares (3124 posts) - - Show Bio

In X-factor the writer doesn't seem to have much use for her outside of being the 'sassy' character on the team. She was written much better in Generation X, I think. However, X-factor's depiction of her seems consistent with her previous appearances- if you look at how Monet has acted in the past, the way she acts currently makes sense; how else would she behave? X-factor did a really poor job of mentioning her past, which was irritating, but otherwise she's being written decently.

#20 Edited by jrock85 (2874 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm outraged about that damn Pip the troll telling her to zip up her costume in X-Factor #230. Now we can't see her cleavage anymore! >:(

#21 Posted by xerox_kitty (15760 posts) - - Show Bio

Most of the time in Generation X it wasn't actually Monet that we were reading.

@jrock85 said:

BTW, why is she now in her 20s while Jubilee is still between 17 and 18?

Because Peter David is a rare writer who allows his characters to grow ;)

@jrock85 said:

I'm outraged about that damn Pip the troll telling her to zip up her costume in X-Factor #230. Now we can't see her cleavage anymore! >:(

I don't think you have to worry.... no-one really listens to trolls ;)

Generation X was a troubled series that was bookended by good talent. The first year and the last year-or-so were the only good stories. The rest of the years in between were trash that have been swept under the carpet (such as Emma Frost's emerging telekinetic powers), and it's only thanks to a decent writer that M has held onto that convoluted pat which others would have simply ignored.

In other words: X-Factor > Generation X.

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#22 Posted by Chesapeake (2210 posts) - - Show Bio

X-Factor. I wish she would take a lead role

#23 Posted by jrock85 (2874 posts) - - Show Bio

@xerox_kitty: She actually did zip up her costume after he told her to. :'(

#24 Posted by Nudeviking (479 posts) - - Show Bio

@jrock85 said:

She wasn't as sanctimonious in Gen X.

BTW, why is she now in her 20s while Jubilee is still between 17 and 18?

I've been re-reading Gen X recently, so I can answer this. Jubilee was early on declared to be the youngest student at the school (I think she was said to be 13 in issue 1) while M was several years older than her (there were character profiles in the back of the first issue that I think listed her age, but I don't have it in front of me right now). If Jubilee now is 17 or 18, M would be 20-ish.

Anyway as to the original question, I think she was a more three dimensional character in Gen-X.

#25 Posted by Renascence (128 posts) - - Show Bio

Difficult question!

I still think the Jubilee/M relationship is one of my favorite clashing of personalities ever, but Gen X also left her nearly unusable after the horrendous Nicole/Claudette/Penance fiasco. I liked her stoic snark, her mysterious black outs, and overall enigmatic confidence.

Despite shoving her into relationships with X-Factor's premiere losers (a dupe, Darwin and Strong Guy), PAD's return to the X-Books had her overcoming a bumpy road with Siryn early on while also giving her a cute sibling-like relationship with Rictor. She's far more aggressive in this series than passive-aggressive and has shown her softer side on multiple occasions. She's just been the hilarious highlight of the series and in many ways her relationship with Wolfsbane is a lot like hers with Jubilee (although Rahne never takes it there and is thus less fun).

....

Both.

#26 Edited by Renascence (128 posts) - - Show Bio

@Chesapeake said:

X-Factor. I wish she would take a lead role

Me too! I really want more of the M, Banshee, Rictor, Wolfsbane, and Shatterstar dynamic than yet more Madrox. I never want any Longshot.

#27 Posted by xerox_kitty (15760 posts) - - Show Bio

@jrock85 said:

@xerox_kitty: She actually did zip up her costume after he told her to. :'(

I'm sure those puppies will be back on show before you know it... Don't give up hope ;)

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#28 Posted by jrock85 (2874 posts) - - Show Bio

@xerox_kitty: Perhaps you're right. I'll try not to give in to despair. :)

#29 Posted by Renascence (128 posts) - - Show Bio

I want her to have a different costume. Something a bit more fashionable and if not fashionable a bit more colorful.

#30 Posted by Ahmed Sherif (262 posts) - - Show Bio

I never knew how she was in generation x, but in X-factor she is very aggressive and feels so mush free!

#31 Posted by Chesapeake (2210 posts) - - Show Bio

M is a awesome character. It was interesting to see her relationship with Hollow/Sisters, emplate, etc. I think that was interesting in Gen X

#32 Posted by cattlebattle (12275 posts) - - Show Bio
@Chesapeake said:

M is a awesome character. It was interesting to see her relationship with Hollow/Sisters, emplate, etc. I think that was interesting in Gen X

That was never suppose to happen, M was suppose to be two young adolescent girls and Penance/Hollow was suppose to be another character entirely with no relation, Emplate would have remained their brother though 
#33 Posted by Elixir95 (388 posts) - - Show Bio

Regarding the question about Jubilee's and Monet's age; I've been reading back the first few issues of Generation X, and it seems that Jubilee was the youngest of the lot; her age is stated as being 13 in Generation X #1.

About the titular question, having read every issue of the current X-Factor and much less of Generation X, I'm going to have to go with the former. While I did like her interactions with Husk and Jubilee, it is the air of ambiguity surrounding her feelings for her teammates in X-Factor that makes her: her love/hate sisterly relationship with Siryn, her toying with Madrox and Rictor, the fact that she despises Layla, her masked attachment to Strong Guy.... Think it's awesome :D.

#34 Posted by thestepfordcuckoos (147 posts) - - Show Bio

It's always a toss up when it comes to Gen-X Monet and X-Factor Monet for me. Mostly because I'm a huge Monet fan and I've written more things about her then I can remember. I think I like/love/favor both of them equally but at the same time I think I favor Gen X more at time if not only before the memories of it and thing we got learn about Monet and now it just feels like Monet is at a stand still. Like some of you guys said we all wish Monet would take more of a lead in X-Factor which she hasn't done yet - possibly only when her father was kidnapped, when she fought Ballistique and possibly some others. Also I think I liked Monet in Gen X because we saw a lot of what was under Monet's "M" persona - we got to see her breakdown and bond Jubilee after the death of Synch which was a fleet for her has Jubes was like her moral enemy and we also got see Monet's family and know of their past and now we have nothing and all we can assume is that the twins after safe and still have their powers as Mo hasn't spoken of them.

But also as much as I love Generation X I love X-Factor. I love sister/best friend relationship with Terry/Siryn and her friendship with Shatterstar because the conversation are always hilarious and he's such as new born child compared to Monet and I even thought I sometimes dislike her attachment to Strong Guy its good to see that even Monet is capable of having friends. Oh and I loveeeeeeeeee her dislike or such I her despising Layla because I feel like Monet takes the words of my mouth when she talks to Layla and I feel that it takes Monet quite some strength not to back hand her and dislocate her (Layla) whoe jaw if not knock her head off.

Conclusion I wish we could have some of the old M so we could see more of her sisters and Penance and have the story full explained and I also love the new M who really is a force to be reckon with even in her sleep.

@Lifeguard85: @Elixir95: In Gen-X Monet is stated to be the oldest after Jono I think. I know that what ever the age the twins was half of Monet's actually age. So they where 8/9 which would mean that Monet was possibly 16/18.

#35 Posted by Lorialet (35 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefered Monet's portrayal in Generation X. I love X-factor, but Monet's portrayal in this comic is rather disappointing. She barely feels like a protagonist.

#36 Posted by ddaann1985 (129 posts) - - Show Bio

I think she is better portrayed in X-factor. Mainly because of the horrible M = Twins=Penance etc thing they did. :)

#37 Edited by Chesapeake (2210 posts) - - Show Bio

M just broke the tie this week because She has participated in one more issue than Gen X. Congrats that a long run for a charachter in two series.

X-Factor # 226
#38 Posted by Chesapeake (2210 posts) - - Show Bio
X-Factor #219.

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